Anonymous wrote:In case people lost track of the original questions:
How are you approaching the balance between PVS Champs finals on Friday and Saturday’s divisionals? If your swimmer makes finals Friday night and also has a really early divisionals meet Saturday, will your swimmer scratch or swim Friday night? If the swimmer scratches Friday finals, are they banned from swimming the rest of LC Meet? Would love to hear from experienced parents who have juggled this and gain advice for 12U swimmers.

If your kid signed up for Friday events at PVS age group champs and you think he/she will make finals then you should definitely encourage them to swim those events. Granted it wasn't the same weekend last year, but the NVSL kids who made those finals had plenty of margin for error in qualifying for NVSL all-stars. A little bit of extra rest isn't going to made a huge difference for swimmers at that level in a 50 meter race, particularly is the primary goal is to achieve an all-star qualifying time. I mean so what if the top 12u swimmer is a little slow and ends up 5th overall at divisionals, they're still swimming the next weekend at all-stars if that's what you, and they, are worried about.

Anonymous wrote:Why for the life of me would anyone would sractch swimming in finals at PVS LC Age Group Champs in order to rest up for NVSL Divisionals is beyone me. Swimming in finals at PVS Age Group Champs is truly a much bigger achievement/accomplishment than participating in NVSL Divisionals and IAS. Amateur Hour indeed.

Not exactly. My swimmer looked at the psych sheet and, if my swimmer makes finals, it will be the exact same swimmers that she will face at D1 divisionals and/or at NVSL IAS. At NCAP LC practice today, all the kids were saying how much more important NVSL Divisionals and All Stars are than staying for finals on Friday night. Every single one of the parents said their child will scratch because we would otherwise get home around 10 and kids wouldn’t fall asleep until 10:30 pm, and this is if we don’t have crazy thunderstorms that make 495 a standstill on Friday night.

Why for the life of me would anyone would sractch swimming in finals at PVS LC Age Group Champs in order to rest up for NVSL Divisionals is beyone me. Swimming in finals at PVS Age Group Champs is truly a much bigger achievement/accomplishment than participating in NVSL Divisionals and IAS. Amateur Hour indeed.

Oh I guess I didn’t see it since I was timing both days I was there due to a general lack of volunteers.

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Anonymous wrote:LC Open Champs did not have merch at all last weekend and neither did the Jr/Sr champs meet in March.

They did have merch. It was set up in the middle section of the stands. A blue rye dye sweatshirt and some grays with the list of names for 68.00

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Anonymous wrote:We have a lot of swimmers that are very close in times - sometimes all that separates the #2 versus #3 ladder spot is .05 seconds on our team.

Sure. But If they are that close together, none id them have an all star time.

What in the world are you even saying? Case in point —
https://www.mynvsl.com/leaders?post=1&mt=0&age=2&sex=2&st=1&stroke=50-back&m=1&year=2025&count=25&division=&team=

https://www.mynvsl.com/leaders?post=1&mt=0&age=2&sex=2&st=1&stroke=50-breast&m=1&year=2025&count=25&division=&team=

https://www.mynvsl.com/leaders?post=1&mt=0&age=3&sex=2&st=1&stroke=50-fly&m=1&year=2025&count=25&division=&team=

https://www.mynvsl.com/leaders?post=1&mt=0&age=4&sex=2&st=1&stroke=50-fly&m=1&year=2025&count=25&division=&team=

https://www.mynvsl.com/leaders?post=1&mt=0&age=4&sex=2&st=1&stroke=50-fly&m=1&year=2025&count=25&division=&team=

And many teams have swimmers who never swam the event in A meets but have a very competitive top 18 time from B meets.

From those teams it’s all in the same kids in the top 25 and the top 2 kids can’t swim all 4 events you moron.

I remember growing up that there was a big club meet that conflicted with our version of all stars, that the fastest 13 and over swimmers would often attend. I wish I could remember which one it was... things are different now. I remember benefitting from this when I didn't qualify/didn't go -- I was able to really high at all stars because the very best swimmers weren't there. And I remember at least one year where I skipped all stars to go to that meet, and thinking it was cool that other people got a chance to place really high at all stars.

Our all star qualifier meet was by age group, not division. Each weeknight leading up to all stars, a different age group had their meet. So Sunday night was 8 and unders, Monday was 9-10, etc. Anyone who wanted to sign up for the qualifier meet could do so, with a limit on the number of events per swimmer (2? 3?). The top 16 or 18 would be in all stars that Saturday. That meant it was totally fine to swim at the qualifier meet, but skip all stars. The all stars spot would just go to the next person on the list.

And for a little perspective... I will note again that I do not remember which meet it was that created the conflict. Nor do I remember what place I got at all stars in any given year, or how I did at that club meet. You know what I do remember well? The kickass relay I got to be a part of every other year in summer league; the really good Italian water ice at the pool that hosted all stars every year; when our team beat our rival to win the league championship; the teen coaches who I thought were so cool when I was younger. I am proud of what I achieved in club and later D1 college swimming. But my core memories, the ones that give me warm and fuzzies, are from summer league.

The answer to the original question is going to depend on your year round club and your swimmer’s dedication to their summer team. At our club it is absolutely looked down upon to scratch out of finals. My swimmer was way more excited about finaling at the PVS LC champs meet than summer swim Divisionals so it never crossed their mind to prioritize the Divisional meet. Now as a 13 and over, summer swim is something they fit in around their club meets. They don’t think twice about skipping a summer meet if it conflicts. YMMV, I know this isn’t how all kids prioritize.

OP - our club has a strict rule that if you make finals you swim. Our swimmer really wanted to scratch last yr because they were in the last event but wasn’t allowed. Happily they swam and still ended up winning their event at All-Stars.

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Anonymous wrote:Omg can you guys arguing over NVSL Divisionals/All Stars go back to the original thread you were arguing in?!

Thank you! And yet, in five pages, not a single person has answered OP’s question.

Edit: Well, except for the question about the scratch process.

Anonymous wrote:LC Open Champs did not have merch at all last weekend and neither did the Jr/Sr champs meet in March.

They did have merch. It was set up in the middle section of the stands. A blue rye dye sweatshirt and some grays with the list of names for 68.00

In case people lost track of the original questions:
How are you approaching the balance between PVS Champs finals on Friday and Saturday’s divisionals? If your swimmer makes finals Friday night and also has a really early divisionals meet Saturday, will your swimmer scratch or swim Friday night? If the swimmer scratches Friday finals, are they banned from swimming the rest of LC Meet? Would love to hear from experienced parents who have juggled this and gain advice for 12U swimmers.

Anonymous wrote:Omg can you guys arguing over NVSL Divisionals/All Stars go back to the original thread you were arguing in?!

Thank you! And yet, in five pages, not a single person has answered OP’s question.

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Anonymous wrote:NVSL:
Divisionals = Prelims to make IAS

oh this is completely ridiculous. Divisionals is a big meet in and of itself. They give out medals, its fun for the kids, etc. Its not just a prelim session for IAS. The vast majority of kids swimming in divisionals will never make all stars. (e.g. for each stroke there are 12 swimmers per division- 204 swimmers, of which 18 will make all stars. Its completely fine and appropriate for a kid to swim in divisionals even if they can't go to all stars.
Second, the idea that they are somehow 'depriving' a teammate of going to all stars is similarly absurd. Only the top 18 swimmers go to all stars. 2 kids on each team get to go to divisionals in each event. The idea that a kid who is 3rd on the ladder is going to make all stars if able to swim is exceedingly unlikely. This is demonstrated by skimming through the leaders board on NVSL website. In any given stroke it is super rare for 3 kids on the same team to be in the top 25. When it does happen, generally 1 if not 2 of those kids are the top in every stroke- and they have to pick 2 to swim. So in the land of hypotheticals- highly unlikely that three kids from the same team could make all stars. Highly unlikely that, in the rare circumstances that it occurs, those 3 kids all want to swim the same stroke.
Bottom line- if your kid is given a slot in divisionals, they should take it without guilt no matter their plans for all star weekend.

Look at the above post with links disproving your claim. Lots of teams with 3+ girls who could make all stars, and probably some who have not even swum certain events in A meets.

Omg can you guys arguing over NVSL Divisionals/All Stars go back to the original thread you were arguing in?!

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Anonymous wrote:We have a lot of swimmers that are very close in times - sometimes all that separates the #2 versus #3 ladder spot is .05 seconds on our team.

Sure. But If they are that close together, none id them have an all star time.

What in the world are you even saying? Case in point —
https://www.mynvsl.com/leaders?post=1&mt=0&age=2&sex=2&st=1&stroke=50-back&m=1&year=2025&count=25&division=&team=

https://www.mynvsl.com/leaders?post=1&mt=0&age=2&sex=2&st=1&stroke=50-breast&m=1&year=2025&count=25&division=&team=

https://www.mynvsl.com/leaders?post=1&mt=0&age=3&sex=2&st=1&stroke=50-fly&m=1&year=2025&count=25&division=&team=

https://www.mynvsl.com/leaders?post=1&mt=0&age=4&sex=2&st=1&stroke=50-fly&m=1&year=2025&count=25&division=&team=

https://www.mynvsl.com/leaders?post=1&mt=0&age=4&sex=2&st=1&stroke=50-fly&m=1&year=2025&count=25&division=&team=

And many teams have swimmers who never swam the event in A meets but have a very competitive top 18 time from B meets.

Yep, pretty easy to see that the third fastest on a team could still make IAS in some cases. Sometimes teams are stacked on certain age groups and strokes. So you are officially a jerk if you take a spot at divisionals knowing you will scratch, while denying a third swimmer with a legit chance at IAS.

Amen.