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Anonymous wrote:The problem is that after the massacres on October 7th, there are no Israelis left of any political disposition who think it's a good idea that Palestinians should have their own independent state. There's no two state solution to be had when you have a terrorist organization like Hamas in charge of Gaza and a deeply corrupt regime like Fatah in the West Bank. And Hamas is every bit as corrupt as Fatah. Hamas leaders were all billionaires and richer than Donald Trump when they were killed.

So there's no one to work with on the Palestinian side.

And that's a big problem. And the Israeli lunatics on the right have taken complete advantage of the situation. And in some ways, the Israeli right has worked out very well for Israel. Hamas is still there, but they are governing a pile of rubble and aren't really a threat anymore. And the Hamas attacks on October 7th green lit the path for the obliteration of Hezbollah in southern Lebanon, much to the joy of 80 percent of Lebanese people of all religions. And it opened the door to toppling the Ba'athist Assad regime in Syria, a move that was supported by 90 percent of Syrians. And it led to the attacks on Iran, which pretty much wrecked Iran's capabilities to project force in the Middle East, another move that was supported by 90 percent of Sunni Muslims in the region.

The pro-Palestinian movement among progressives in the US and Western Europe is very fringe. In the region, most Arabs are pretty pleased by Israel's actions. There is no popular support for Palestinians in Riyadh, Cairo, Beirut, Amman, and so on. Even Lebanon and Syria are ready to join Saudi Arabia in signing the Abraham Accords, which would normalize relations with Israel - as Jordan and Egypt did long ago.

October 7th was a disaster for Palestinians and Iran. The extremism of Shi'a nutcases in Tehran and the breathtakingly stupid decisions of Palestinians - who are not Shi'a, but aligned with Tehran anyway - are really a marvel of how not to to do things. Palestinian statesmanship has been a disaster for 80 years. They could have had a great country many decades ago. But Palestinians always make the stupidest decisions possible. And why they do that is mystifying. They are the doctors and lawyers of the Middle East. They're not idiots. And yet here we are.

Until Palestinians revolt against Hamas and Fatah, I don't see how anything is possible. Palestinians have no meaningful support among anyone anymore. No one wants them because of all the difficulties and violence they've caused in Lebanon, Jordan, Kuwait and so on. Palestinian refugees are literally the last people on Earth you want in your own country because they always go to terror and violence.

For a smart people, Palestinians are really the dumbest people on Earth. And no one knows how to deal with them.

Where does the settler movement fit into your analysis of this problem? I’m no expert but I read that the seizure of Palestinian land for settlers started in the 1960s and there are now about 500,000 settlers. If it has been going on for 60 years, then clearly it’s official Israeli government policy. Are there any statistics for how many Palestinians have been killed by settlers?

Anonymous wrote:The problem is that after the massacres on October 7th, there are no Israelis left of any political disposition who think it's a good idea that Palestinians should have their own independent state. There's no two state solution to be had when you have a terrorist organization like Hamas in charge of Gaza and a deeply corrupt regime like Fatah in the West Bank. And Hamas is every bit as corrupt as Fatah. Hamas leaders were all billionaires and richer than Donald Trump when they were killed.

So there's no one to work with on the Palestinian side.

And that's a big problem. And the Israeli lunatics on the right have taken complete advantage of the situation. And in some ways, the Israeli right has worked out very well for Israel. Hamas is still there, but they are governing a pile of rubble and aren't really a threat anymore. And the Hamas attacks on October 7th green lit the path for the obliteration of Hezbollah in southern Lebanon, much to the joy of 80 percent of Lebanese people of all religions. And it opened the door to toppling the Ba'athist Assad regime in Syria, a move that was supported by 90 percent of Syrians. And it led to the attacks on Iran, which pretty much wrecked Iran's capabilities to project force in the Middle East, another move that was supported by 90 percent of Sunni Muslims in the region.

The pro-Palestinian movement among progressives in the US and Western Europe is very fringe. In the region, most Arabs are pretty pleased by Israel's actions. There is no popular support for Palestinians in Riyadh, Cairo, Beirut, Amman, and so on. Even Lebanon and Syria are ready to join Saudi Arabia in signing the Abraham Accords, which would normalize relations with Israel - as Jordan and Egypt did long ago.

October 7th was a disaster for Palestinians and Iran. The extremism of Shi'a nutcases in Tehran and the breathtakingly stupid decisions of Palestinians - who are not Shi'a, but aligned with Tehran anyway - are really a marvel of how not to to do things. Palestinian statesmanship has been a disaster for 80 years. They could have had a great country many decades ago. But Palestinians always make the stupidest decisions possible. And why they do that is mystifying. They are the doctors and lawyers of the Middle East. They're not idiots. And yet here we are.

Until Palestinians revolt against Hamas and Fatah, I don't see how anything is possible. Palestinians have no meaningful support among anyone anymore. No one wants them because of all the difficulties and violence they've caused in Lebanon, Jordan, Kuwait and so on. Palestinian refugees are literally the last people on Earth you want in your own country because they always go to terror and violence.

For a smart people, Palestinians are really the dumbest people on Earth. And no one knows how to deal with them.

Anonymous wrote:The problem is that after the massacres on October 7th, there are no Israelis left of any political disposition who think it's a good idea that Palestinians should have their own independent state. There's no two state solution to be had when you have a terrorist organization like Hamas in charge of Gaza and a deeply corrupt regime like Fatah in the West Bank. And Hamas is every bit as corrupt as Fatah. Hamas leaders were all billionaires and richer than Donald Trump when they were killed.

So there's no one to work with on the Palestinian side.

And that's a big problem. And the Israeli lunatics on the right have taken complete advantage of the situation. And in some ways, the Israeli right has worked out very well for Israel. Hamas is still there, but they are governing a pile of rubble and aren't really a threat anymore. And the Hamas attacks on October 7th green lit the path for the obliteration of Hezbollah in southern Lebanon, much to the joy of 80 percent of Lebanese people of all religions. And it opened the door to toppling the Ba'athist Assad regime in Syria, a move that was supported by 90 percent of Syrians. And it led to the attacks on Iran, which pretty much wrecked Iran's capabilities to project force in the Middle East, another move that was supported by 90 percent of Sunni Muslims in the region.

The pro-Palestinian movement among progressives in the US and Western Europe is very fringe. In the region, most Arabs are pretty pleased by Israel's actions. There is no popular support for Palestinians in Riyadh, Cairo, Beirut, Amman, and so on. Even Lebanon and Syria are ready to join Saudi Arabia in signing the Abraham Accords, which would normalize relations with Israel - as Jordan and Egypt did long ago.

October 7th was a disaster for Palestinians and Iran. The extremism of Shi'a nutcases in Tehran and the breathtakingly stupid decisions of Palestinians - who are not Shi'a, but aligned with Tehran anyway - are really a marvel of how not to to do things. Palestinian statesmanship has been a disaster for 80 years. They could have had a great country many decades ago. But Palestinians always make the stupidest decisions possible. And why they do that is mystifying. They are the doctors and lawyers of the Middle East. They're not idiots. And yet here we are.

Until Palestinians revolt against Hamas and Fatah, I don't see how anything is possible. Palestinians have no meaningful support among anyone anymore. No one wants them because of all the difficulties and violence they've caused in Lebanon, Jordan, Kuwait and so on. Palestinian refugees are literally the last people on Earth you want in your own country because they always go to terror and violence.

For a smart people, Palestinians are really the dumbest people on Earth. And no one knows how to deal with them.

Anonymous wrote:The problem is that after the massacres on October 7th, there are no Israelis left of any political disposition who think it's a good idea that Palestinians should have their own independent state. There's no two state solution to be had when you have a terrorist organization like Hamas in charge of Gaza and a deeply corrupt regime like Fatah in the West Bank. And Hamas is every bit as corrupt as Fatah. Hamas leaders were all billionaires and richer than Donald Trump when they were killed.

So there's no one to work with on the Palestinian side.

And that's a big problem. And the Israeli lunatics on the right have taken complete advantage of the situation. And in some ways, the Israeli right has worked out very well for Israel. Hamas is still there, but they are governing a pile of rubble and aren't really a threat anymore. And the Hamas attacks on October 7th green lit the path for the obliteration of Hezbollah in southern Lebanon, much to the joy of 80 percent of Lebanese people of all religions. And it opened the door to toppling the Ba'athist Assad regime in Syria, a move that was supported by 90 percent of Syrians. And it led to the attacks on Iran, which pretty much wrecked Iran's capabilities to project force in the Middle East, another move that was supported by 90 percent of Sunni Muslims in the region.

The pro-Palestinian movement among progressives in the US and Western Europe is very fringe. In the region, most Arabs are pretty pleased by Israel's actions. There is no popular support for Palestinians in Riyadh, Cairo, Beirut, Amman, and so on. Even Lebanon and Syria are ready to join Saudi Arabia in signing the Abraham Accords, which would normalize relations with Israel - as Jordan and Egypt did long ago.

October 7th was a disaster for Palestinians and Iran. The extremism of Shi'a nutcases in Tehran and the breathtakingly stupid decisions of Palestinians - who are not Shi'a, but aligned with Tehran anyway - are really a marvel of how not to to do things. Palestinian statesmanship has been a disaster for 80 years. They could have had a great country many decades ago. But Palestinians always make the stupidest decisions possible. And why they do that is mystifying. They are the doctors and lawyers of the Middle East. They're not idiots. And yet here we are.

Until Palestinians revolt against Hamas and Fatah, I don't see how anything is possible. Palestinians have no meaningful support among anyone anymore. No one wants them because of all the difficulties and violence they've caused in Lebanon, Jordan, Kuwait and so on. Palestinian refugees are literally the last people on Earth you want in your own country because they always go to terror and violence.

For a smart people, Palestinians are really the dumbest people on Earth. And no one knows how to deal with them.

Anonymous wrote:The hilarious part is that the Nazis, supposedly the worst people in human history, never put their plans in writing like this.

Anonymous wrote:The problem is that after the massacres on October 7th, there are no Israelis left of any political disposition who think it's a good idea that Palestinians should have their own independent state. There's no two state solution to be had when you have a terrorist organization like Hamas in charge of Gaza and a deeply corrupt regime like Fatah in the West Bank. And Hamas is every bit as corrupt as Fatah. Hamas leaders were all billionaires and richer than Donald Trump when they were killed.

So there's no one to work with on the Palestinian side.

And that's a big problem. And the Israeli lunatics on the right have taken complete advantage of the situation. And in some ways, the Israeli right has worked out very well for Israel. Hamas is still there, but they are governing a pile of rubble and aren't really a threat anymore. And the Hamas attacks on October 7th green lit the path for the obliteration of Hezbollah in southern Lebanon, much to the joy of 80 percent of Lebanese people of all religions. And it opened the door to toppling the Ba'athist Assad regime in Syria, a move that was supported by 90 percent of Syrians. And it led to the attacks on Iran, which pretty much wrecked Iran's capabilities to project force in the Middle East, another move that was supported by 90 percent of Sunni Muslims in the region.

The pro-Palestinian movement among progressives in the US and Western Europe is very fringe. In the region, most Arabs are pretty pleased by Israel's actions. There is no popular support for Palestinians in Riyadh, Cairo, Beirut, Amman, and so on. Even Lebanon and Syria are ready to join Saudi Arabia in signing the Abraham Accords, which would normalize relations with Israel - as Jordan and Egypt did long ago.

October 7th was a disaster for Palestinians and Iran. The extremism of Shi'a nutcases in Tehran and the breathtakingly stupid decisions of Palestinians - who are not Shi'a, but aligned with Tehran anyway - are really a marvel of how not to to do things. Palestinian statesmanship has been a disaster for 80 years. They could have had a great country many decades ago. But Palestinians always make the stupidest decisions possible. And why they do that is mystifying. They are the doctors and lawyers of the Middle East. They're not idiots. And yet here we are.

Until Palestinians revolt against Hamas and Fatah, I don't see how anything is possible. Palestinians have no meaningful support among anyone anymore. No one wants them because of all the difficulties and violence they've caused in Lebanon, Jordan, Kuwait and so on. Palestinian refugees are literally the last people on Earth you want in your own country because they always go to terror and violence.

For a smart people, Palestinians are really the dumbest people on Earth. And no one knows how to deal with them.

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:What is Israel's path forward after these camps?

Perpetual generations born in camps is unsustainable.

If I were Israel I would set up a program and system for getting people out of the camps. An "earn your way out of the camp" if you will.

It would entail certain things, such as background checks to prioritize based on whether the person had any prior involvement or allegiance to Hamas or other orgs, whether they had a prior record of anti-Israel terror or crimes, etc), psychological and sociological evaluation, signing a sworn statement pledging to never harm Israelis or the state of Israel, essentially going through a "deprogramming" course to undo decades of Hamas/PLO/etc propaganda and radicalization (yes, call it a "re-education camp" if that's what you want, I don't care) and biometrics.

Concurrent with that, Israel should be going block by block in Gaza, clearing areas, repairing homes and businesses, and then relocating the cleared people back to normal life from the camps. Along with it, defining governance and a constitution, school system, hospitals, infrastructure, plus setting up government and police with robust oversight, for those who are allowed out of the camp, and not just leaving it up to the successors of Hamas.

For those being resettled back out of the camp, make it clear that they must either continue on a path of completely peaceful existence, or be immediately returned to the camp, this time permanently.

For those who follow a path of peace, after 20 years they become Israeli citizens, or allowed to resettle and become citizens of any country that would accept them.

Those who don't agree to this stay in the camp. I believe something like this would sort out the question of "what about the innocent and peaceful Palestinians who want nothing to do with Hamas."

This is actually reasonable. Breaking the Palestinian cycle of perpetual reliance on charity and fervent devotion to terror is essential; their education system, public policy, and single-minded dedication to annihilating Israel must change if they want to improve their situation. 80 years of doing the same thing over and over, with the same lack of success, ought to have taught them something by now. Jordan, Egypt, and other neighboring Arab countries have figured out how to co-exist peacefully with Israel, there's nothing stopping the Palestinians from doing the same - they have been their own worst enemies but have the ability to change course if they choose to.

Anonymous wrote:What is Israel's path forward after these camps?

Perpetual generations born in camps is unsustainable.

If I were Israel I would set up a program and system for getting people out of the camps. An "earn your way out of the camp" if you will.

It would entail certain things, such as background checks to prioritize based on whether the person had any prior involvement or allegiance to Hamas or other orgs, whether they had a prior record of anti-Israel terror or crimes, etc), psychological and sociological evaluation, signing a sworn statement pledging to never harm Israelis or the state of Israel, essentially going through a "deprogramming" course to undo decades of Hamas/PLO/etc propaganda and radicalization (yes, call it a "re-education camp" if that's what you want, I don't care) and biometrics.

Concurrent with that, Israel should be going block by block in Gaza, clearing areas, repairing homes and businesses, and then relocating the cleared people back to normal life from the camps. Along with it, defining governance and a constitution, school system, hospitals, infrastructure, plus setting up government and police with robust oversight, for those who are allowed out of the camp, and not just leaving it up to the successors of Hamas.

For those being resettled back out of the camp, make it clear that they must either continue on a path of completely peaceful existence, or be immediately returned to the camp, this time permanently.

For those who follow a path of peace, after 20 years they become Israeli citizens, or allowed to resettle and become citizens of any country that would accept them.

Those who don't agree to this stay in the camp. I believe something like this would sort out the question of "what about the innocent and peaceful Palestinians who want nothing to do with Hamas."

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Sounds like the internment camps that the US set up for Japanese Americans, without reason, of course, since those Americans never attacked our country. Israel, though, was attacked by the Palestinians, and has been repeatedly attacked in various intifadahs over the years. I think, if the camp allows more aid to flow and reach civilians and not Hamas terrorists, the civilians might be better off....Of course, if Hamas would release all hostages and surrender, the reconstruction of Gaza could begin

The Palestinians won't be happy no matter what. Their goal is genocide, nothing less. Containment is the best they can hope for unless they decide to join the civilized world.

lol it is the Israelis who goal is genocide. It is the Israelis who will not allow a Palestinian state. It is the Israeli who have blood on their hands. It is the Israel who are committing a genocide.

Never has never again rang so hollow. Never again can Jews claim to be the victims.

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Sounds like the internment camps that the US set up for Japanese Americans, without reason, of course, since those Americans never attacked our country. Israel, though, was attacked by the Palestinians, and has been repeatedly attacked in various intifadahs over the years. I think, if the camp allows more aid to flow and reach civilians and not Hamas terrorists, the civilians might be better off....Of course, if Hamas would release all hostages and surrender, the reconstruction of Gaza could begin

The Palestinians won't be happy no matter what. Their goal is genocide, nothing less. Containment is the best they can hope for unless they decide to join the civilized world.

lol it is the Israelis who goal is genocide. It is the Israelis who will not allow a Palestinian state. It is the Israeli who have blood on their hands. It is the Israel who are committing a genocide.

Never has never again rang so hollow. Never again can Jews claim to be the victims.