Anonymous wrote:https://people.com/tx-college-student-with-peanut-allergy-died-after-restaurant-changed-its-recipe-8751893

https://www.nationalfoodallergydeathregistry.org/rachel-cole

https://abcnews.go.com/amp/US/stew-leonards-peanut-cookies-death/story?id=106679296

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Anonymous wrote:You need to carry at least two Epi pens everywhere, in case one malfunctions or the ambulance is delayed in coming. As soon as the child is able they need to carry two themselves. Be sure they know how to use them. Practice regularly with the trainer.

We always also have albuterol and Benadryl.

Ask the allergist when to use. One PP said use upon two symptoms. Ours said use upon confirmed exposure even if asymptomatic.

If you use epinephrine the person needs to go by ambulance to the emergency room.

Epi pens are not magic talismans. They don’t always work. They sometimes need to be repeated.

Your child needs to learn to self-advocate about allergies as soon as possible. Teach them to read every label every time. Ingredients change. No unlabeled or homemade outside snacks. Send your own treats to school. Be very particular in restaurants. Be aware of potential language issues — we were assured that a bakery product contained no nuts. Then informed “only nut flour” when we asked a second time.

They need to be aware of environmental contamination. Like the kid in class who brings a peanut butter sandwich and then uses a finger to scrape out and eat the peanut butter. Or the contaminated trash in a cafeteria trash can. Or the person one row away in an aircraft who is eating peanuts.

I believe there is a sensitivity-reducing shot and desensitization treatments. We are not there yet, so I leave it to others with knowledge to discuss them.

I have a 12 year old peanut allergic kid and agree with most of this with a couple caveats and can add some info about OIT.

As to bolded, some kids really are not this sensitive to peanuts in their environment. Mine isn't. We eat peanut butter in our household. My kid has zero sensitivity to being near peanuts. I understand some kids do. But this is an added level of hyper-vigilance that isn't necessary for some kids.

We did the OIT and it worked. The part I didn't anticipate is my child HATES HATES HATES the taste of peanuts. This makes sense. Her body is trained to really dislike the thing that is going to make her sick. However, when you get to the end the maintenane is eating some amount of peanut daily. We tried all vehicles. The peanut, some peanut butter, a peanut m&m, a reeses pieces. She hated all of them. She was about 10 at the time we did this. It was a nightly battle and we just gave up. I could not see sustaining forcing her to eat something she hated. I think with an older kid it could be eaiser.

As to the follow up bolded, without claiming any scientific/literature based special knowledge, I suggest it is extremely dangerous to be casual about any level of potential exposure. I don’t think it is “hyper vigilance.”

The example given was someone in the next row on an airplane eating peanuts and "contaminated" trash in a trashcan at school. What is your plan for these scenarios? Wear a hazmat suit in the plane and tell your child not to dumpster dive in the trash?

I think a reasonable warning is to say if your friend is eating a peanut butter sandwich, be aware and don't share any utensils or plates.

The plan for the airplane was to ask the person to stop and put the product away or get rid of it. And we did exactly that with good result when it happened.

As for the trash the real concern was that DC’s school had students in groups to clean up after lunch. We asked for an assignment that didn’t involve food residues or trash.

I think this level of vigilance is about your own anxiety level and wanting to assert a level of control over your environment that you don't really have. And I think it makes your kid anxious too.

Read labels, speak up, teach the kid to advocate for themselves. Hammer it home early and often. In particular, do not eat unwrapped candy or baked goods where you don't know the origin. Carry the epi pen at all times. The rest of it, you can't control other people. People around you can and will eat peanuts.

I suspect you don’t have an allergy either.

Nobody in their right mind eats peanuts on public transit any more.

As for the lunchroom, you’re suggesting not handling peanut-contaminated items is anxiety-driven? Please.

What is the peanut-contaminated item? If the "peanut-contaminated" item is a trashcan where someone might have thrown out the remnant of their peanut butter sandwich, seems kind of anxiety driven. If it's a plate smeared with peanut butter and it's a young child who doesn't have a lot of awareness yet, makes more sense.

People can be very bad at risk assessment. I guarantee your kid does a bunch of things daily that are a lot more risky than being around a trash can with a peanut butter sandwich in it.

I don’t think it is “anxiety driven” for a person with a life threaten allergy to want to avoid accidentally getting contaminated and then transferring the contamination to where they might ingest it. Because people touch their mouths, etc., and don’t always surgery-scrub beforehand. That other life risks exist is irrelevant. One avoids what one reasonably can. What would be your view if the concern was a chemical that might find its way somewhere, as in the case where somebody carelessly threw a rag soaked with turpentine or anotherindustrial solvent into a trash can?

I agree with this. The part I don't agree with is the assessment that someone throwing their peanut butter sandwich in a trash can could somehow transfer to you (or your kid) and you might ingest it. To give the benefit of the doubt, you are envisioning a world where the peanut butter is dragged down the inside of the trashcan and then you (or your kid) subsequently touch or hold onto that same side of the trashcan. That's the scenario? I'm just not operating in that head space that I think that is happening.

I can't really respond to equating a peanut butter sandwich to a turpentine soaked rag.

The peanut butter actually is more dangerous to an allergic person. But getting that across is, as the discussion here demonstrates, extremely difficult. People seem incapable of comprehending that their tasty treat could kill someone. And peanut butter is like baby poop — once it’s on one thing it’s everywhere.

I'm not sure if you are the same poster above who seems super anxious, but can you give some more context as to where your views are coming from? Did you know someone who died from a peanut allergy? Does your kid get a reaction from just being in the same room as someone with peanuts or other allergen? I understand being careful and putting the right protocols in place, but a peanut allergy isn't exactly a death sentence. Sure, kids unexpectedly get severe allergic reactions but I'm sure it's not that common (especially death). There's a difference between being careful and freaking out about it. Do you also not like to drive on highways in case you get killed in a car accident?

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Anonymous wrote:Do not want to carry EpiPen around? Do the OIT. Seriously, it's one of the reasons we did. The main reason was we hated using the EpiPen on our kid (at least twice).

For what it's worth you are still supposed to carry around the epi-pen and the OIT does not mean they can just freely eat peanuts. It makes them "bite proof" and it's supposed to deal with accidental trace exposure. The allergist will tell you that. We did OIT.

Not for our case. My daughter passed the peanut food challenge (8 grams) after completing the OIT. I don't remember about whether to continue carrying the EpiPen, but she was told by the allergist to freely eat peanut. She's been on maintenance dose ever since.

Before OIT, she went to the ER twice due to anaphylaxis.

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Wow, that's great! Does she eat peanuts then (PBJs etc)? I didn't realize OIT could lead to being able to freely eat it.

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Anonymous wrote:You need to carry at least two Epi pens everywhere, in case one malfunctions or the ambulance is delayed in coming. As soon as the child is able they need to carry two themselves. Be sure they know how to use them. Practice regularly with the trainer.

We always also have albuterol and Benadryl.

Ask the allergist when to use. One PP said use upon two symptoms. Ours said use upon confirmed exposure even if asymptomatic.

If you use epinephrine the person needs to go by ambulance to the emergency room.

Epi pens are not magic talismans. They don’t always work. They sometimes need to be repeated.

Your child needs to learn to self-advocate about allergies as soon as possible. Teach them to read every label every time. Ingredients change. No unlabeled or homemade outside snacks. Send your own treats to school. Be very particular in restaurants. Be aware of potential language issues — we were assured that a bakery product contained no nuts. Then informed “only nut flour” when we asked a second time.

They need to be aware of environmental contamination. Like the kid in class who brings a peanut butter sandwich and then uses a finger to scrape out and eat the peanut butter. Or the contaminated trash in a cafeteria trash can. Or the person one row away in an aircraft who is eating peanuts.

I believe there is a sensitivity-reducing shot and desensitization treatments. We are not there yet, so I leave it to others with knowledge to discuss them.

I have a 12 year old peanut allergic kid and agree with most of this with a couple caveats and can add some info about OIT.

As to bolded, some kids really are not this sensitive to peanuts in their environment. Mine isn't. We eat peanut butter in our household. My kid has zero sensitivity to being near peanuts. I understand some kids do. But this is an added level of hyper-vigilance that isn't necessary for some kids.

We did the OIT and it worked. The part I didn't anticipate is my child HATES HATES HATES the taste of peanuts. This makes sense. Her body is trained to really dislike the thing that is going to make her sick. However, when you get to the end the maintenane is eating some amount of peanut daily. We tried all vehicles. The peanut, some peanut butter, a peanut m&m, a reeses pieces. She hated all of them. She was about 10 at the time we did this. It was a nightly battle and we just gave up. I could not see sustaining forcing her to eat something she hated. I think with an older kid it could be eaiser.

As to the follow up bolded, without claiming any scientific/literature based special knowledge, I suggest it is extremely dangerous to be casual about any level of potential exposure. I don’t think it is “hyper vigilance.”

The example given was someone in the next row on an airplane eating peanuts and "contaminated" trash in a trashcan at school. What is your plan for these scenarios? Wear a hazmat suit in the plane and tell your child not to dumpster dive in the trash?

I think a reasonable warning is to say if your friend is eating a peanut butter sandwich, be aware and don't share any utensils or plates.

The plan for the airplane was to ask the person to stop and put the product away or get rid of it. And we did exactly that with good result when it happened.

As for the trash the real concern was that DC’s school had students in groups to clean up after lunch. We asked for an assignment that didn’t involve food residues or trash.

I think this level of vigilance is about your own anxiety level and wanting to assert a level of control over your environment that you don't really have. And I think it makes your kid anxious too.

Read labels, speak up, teach the kid to advocate for themselves. Hammer it home early and often. In particular, do not eat unwrapped candy or baked goods where you don't know the origin. Carry the epi pen at all times. The rest of it, you can't control other people. People around you can and will eat peanuts.

I suspect you don’t have an allergy either.

Nobody in their right mind eats peanuts on public transit any more.

As for the lunchroom, you’re suggesting not handling peanut-contaminated items is anxiety-driven? Please.

What is the peanut-contaminated item? If the "peanut-contaminated" item is a trashcan where someone might have thrown out the remnant of their peanut butter sandwich, seems kind of anxiety driven. If it's a plate smeared with peanut butter and it's a young child who doesn't have a lot of awareness yet, makes more sense.

People can be very bad at risk assessment. I guarantee your kid does a bunch of things daily that are a lot more risky than being around a trash can with a peanut butter sandwich in it.

I don’t think it is “anxiety driven” for a person with a life threaten allergy to want to avoid accidentally getting contaminated and then transferring the contamination to where they might ingest it. Because people touch their mouths, etc., and don’t always surgery-scrub beforehand. That other life risks exist is irrelevant. One avoids what one reasonably can. What would be your view if the concern was a chemical that might find its way somewhere, as in the case where somebody carelessly threw a rag soaked with turpentine or anotherindustrial solvent into a trash can?

I agree with this. The part I don't agree with is the assessment that someone throwing their peanut butter sandwich in a trash can could somehow transfer to you (or your kid) and you might ingest it. To give the benefit of the doubt, you are envisioning a world where the peanut butter is dragged down the inside of the trashcan and then you (or your kid) subsequently touch or hold onto that same side of the trashcan. That's the scenario? I'm just not operating in that head space that I think that is happening.

I can't really respond to equating a peanut butter sandwich to a turpentine soaked rag.

The peanut butter actually is more dangerous to an allergic person. But getting that across is, as the discussion here demonstrates, extremely difficult. People seem incapable of comprehending that their tasty treat could kill someone. And peanut butter is like baby poop — once it’s on one thing it’s everywhere.

I'm not sure if you are the same poster above who seems super anxious, but can you give some more context as to where your views are coming from? Did you know someone who died from a peanut allergy? Does your kid get a reaction from just being in the same room as someone with peanuts or other allergen? I understand being careful and putting the right protocols in place, but a peanut allergy isn't exactly a death sentence. Sure, kids unexpectedly get severe allergic reactions but I'm sure it's not that common (especially death). There's a difference between being careful and freaking out about it. Do you also not like to drive on highways in case you get killed in a car accident?

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Anonymous wrote:Do not want to carry EpiPen around? Do the OIT. Seriously, it's one of the reasons we did. The main reason was we hated using the EpiPen on our kid (at least twice).

For what it's worth you are still supposed to carry around the epi-pen and the OIT does not mean they can just freely eat peanuts. It makes them "bite proof" and it's supposed to deal with accidental trace exposure. The allergist will tell you that. We did OIT.

Not for our case. My daughter passed the peanut food challenge (8 grams) after completing the OIT. I don't remember about whether to continue carrying the EpiPen, but she was told by the allergist to freely eat peanut. She's been on maintenance dose ever since.

Before OIT, she went to the ER twice due to anaphylaxis.

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Anonymous wrote:You need to carry at least two Epi pens everywhere, in case one malfunctions or the ambulance is delayed in coming. As soon as the child is able they need to carry two themselves. Be sure they know how to use them. Practice regularly with the trainer.

We always also have albuterol and Benadryl.

Ask the allergist when to use. One PP said use upon two symptoms. Ours said use upon confirmed exposure even if asymptomatic.

If you use epinephrine the person needs to go by ambulance to the emergency room.

Epi pens are not magic talismans. They don’t always work. They sometimes need to be repeated.

Your child needs to learn to self-advocate about allergies as soon as possible. Teach them to read every label every time. Ingredients change. No unlabeled or homemade outside snacks. Send your own treats to school. Be very particular in restaurants. Be aware of potential language issues — we were assured that a bakery product contained no nuts. Then informed “only nut flour” when we asked a second time.

They need to be aware of environmental contamination. Like the kid in class who brings a peanut butter sandwich and then uses a finger to scrape out and eat the peanut butter. Or the contaminated trash in a cafeteria trash can. Or the person one row away in an aircraft who is eating peanuts.

I believe there is a sensitivity-reducing shot and desensitization treatments. We are not there yet, so I leave it to others with knowledge to discuss them.

I have a 12 year old peanut allergic kid and agree with most of this with a couple caveats and can add some info about OIT.

As to bolded, some kids really are not this sensitive to peanuts in their environment. Mine isn't. We eat peanut butter in our household. My kid has zero sensitivity to being near peanuts. I understand some kids do. But this is an added level of hyper-vigilance that isn't necessary for some kids.

We did the OIT and it worked. The part I didn't anticipate is my child HATES HATES HATES the taste of peanuts. This makes sense. Her body is trained to really dislike the thing that is going to make her sick. However, when you get to the end the maintenane is eating some amount of peanut daily. We tried all vehicles. The peanut, some peanut butter, a peanut m&m, a reeses pieces. She hated all of them. She was about 10 at the time we did this. It was a nightly battle and we just gave up. I could not see sustaining forcing her to eat something she hated. I think with an older kid it could be eaiser.

As to the follow up bolded, without claiming any scientific/literature based special knowledge, I suggest it is extremely dangerous to be casual about any level of potential exposure. I don’t think it is “hyper vigilance.”

The example given was someone in the next row on an airplane eating peanuts and "contaminated" trash in a trashcan at school. What is your plan for these scenarios? Wear a hazmat suit in the plane and tell your child not to dumpster dive in the trash?

I think a reasonable warning is to say if your friend is eating a peanut butter sandwich, be aware and don't share any utensils or plates.

The plan for the airplane was to ask the person to stop and put the product away or get rid of it. And we did exactly that with good result when it happened.

As for the trash the real concern was that DC’s school had students in groups to clean up after lunch. We asked for an assignment that didn’t involve food residues or trash.

I think this level of vigilance is about your own anxiety level and wanting to assert a level of control over your environment that you don't really have. And I think it makes your kid anxious too.

Read labels, speak up, teach the kid to advocate for themselves. Hammer it home early and often. In particular, do not eat unwrapped candy or baked goods where you don't know the origin. Carry the epi pen at all times. The rest of it, you can't control other people. People around you can and will eat peanuts.

I suspect you don’t have an allergy either.

Nobody in their right mind eats peanuts on public transit any more.

As for the lunchroom, you’re suggesting not handling peanut-contaminated items is anxiety-driven? Please.

What is the peanut-contaminated item? If the "peanut-contaminated" item is a trashcan where someone might have thrown out the remnant of their peanut butter sandwich, seems kind of anxiety driven. If it's a plate smeared with peanut butter and it's a young child who doesn't have a lot of awareness yet, makes more sense.

People can be very bad at risk assessment. I guarantee your kid does a bunch of things daily that are a lot more risky than being around a trash can with a peanut butter sandwich in it.

I don’t think it is “anxiety driven” for a person with a life threaten allergy to want to avoid accidentally getting contaminated and then transferring the contamination to where they might ingest it. Because people touch their mouths, etc., and don’t always surgery-scrub beforehand. That other life risks exist is irrelevant. One avoids what one reasonably can. What would be your view if the concern was a chemical that might find its way somewhere, as in the case where somebody carelessly threw a rag soaked with turpentine or anotherindustrial solvent into a trash can?

I agree with this. The part I don't agree with is the assessment that someone throwing their peanut butter sandwich in a trash can could somehow transfer to you (or your kid) and you might ingest it. To give the benefit of the doubt, you are envisioning a world where the peanut butter is dragged down the inside of the trashcan and then you (or your kid) subsequently touch or hold onto that same side of the trashcan. That's the scenario? I'm just not operating in that head space that I think that is happening.

I can't really respond to equating a peanut butter sandwich to a turpentine soaked rag.

The peanut butter actually is more dangerous to an allergic person. But getting that across is, as the discussion here demonstrates, extremely difficult. People seem incapable of comprehending that their tasty treat could kill someone. And peanut butter is like baby poop — once it’s on one thing it’s everywhere.

I'm not sure if you are the same poster above who seems super anxious, but can you give some more context as to where your views are coming from? Did you know someone who died from a peanut allergy? Does your kid get a reaction from just being in the same room as someone with peanuts or other allergen? I understand being careful and putting the right protocols in place, but a peanut allergy isn't exactly a death sentence. Sure, kids unexpectedly get severe allergic reactions but I'm sure it's not that common (especially death). There's a difference between being careful and freaking out about it. Do you also not like to drive on highways in case you get killed in a car accident?

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Anonymous wrote:Do not want to carry EpiPen around? Do the OIT. Seriously, it's one of the reasons we did. The main reason was we hated using the EpiPen on our kid (at least twice).

For what it's worth you are still supposed to carry around the epi-pen and the OIT does not mean they can just freely eat peanuts. It makes them "bite proof" and it's supposed to deal with accidental trace exposure. The allergist will tell you that. We did OIT.

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Anonymous wrote:You need to carry at least two Epi pens everywhere, in case one malfunctions or the ambulance is delayed in coming. As soon as the child is able they need to carry two themselves. Be sure they know how to use them. Practice regularly with the trainer.

We always also have albuterol and Benadryl.

Ask the allergist when to use. One PP said use upon two symptoms. Ours said use upon confirmed exposure even if asymptomatic.

If you use epinephrine the person needs to go by ambulance to the emergency room.

Epi pens are not magic talismans. They don’t always work. They sometimes need to be repeated.

Your child needs to learn to self-advocate about allergies as soon as possible. Teach them to read every label every time. Ingredients change. No unlabeled or homemade outside snacks. Send your own treats to school. Be very particular in restaurants. Be aware of potential language issues — we were assured that a bakery product contained no nuts. Then informed “only nut flour” when we asked a second time.

They need to be aware of environmental contamination. Like the kid in class who brings a peanut butter sandwich and then uses a finger to scrape out and eat the peanut butter. Or the contaminated trash in a cafeteria trash can. Or the person one row away in an aircraft who is eating peanuts.

I believe there is a sensitivity-reducing shot and desensitization treatments. We are not there yet, so I leave it to others with knowledge to discuss them.

I have a 12 year old peanut allergic kid and agree with most of this with a couple caveats and can add some info about OIT.

As to bolded, some kids really are not this sensitive to peanuts in their environment. Mine isn't. We eat peanut butter in our household. My kid has zero sensitivity to being near peanuts. I understand some kids do. But this is an added level of hyper-vigilance that isn't necessary for some kids.

We did the OIT and it worked. The part I didn't anticipate is my child HATES HATES HATES the taste of peanuts. This makes sense. Her body is trained to really dislike the thing that is going to make her sick. However, when you get to the end the maintenane is eating some amount of peanut daily. We tried all vehicles. The peanut, some peanut butter, a peanut m&m, a reeses pieces. She hated all of them. She was about 10 at the time we did this. It was a nightly battle and we just gave up. I could not see sustaining forcing her to eat something she hated. I think with an older kid it could be eaiser.

As to the follow up bolded, without claiming any scientific/literature based special knowledge, I suggest it is extremely dangerous to be casual about any level of potential exposure. I don’t think it is “hyper vigilance.”

The example given was someone in the next row on an airplane eating peanuts and "contaminated" trash in a trashcan at school. What is your plan for these scenarios? Wear a hazmat suit in the plane and tell your child not to dumpster dive in the trash?

I think a reasonable warning is to say if your friend is eating a peanut butter sandwich, be aware and don't share any utensils or plates.

The plan for the airplane was to ask the person to stop and put the product away or get rid of it. And we did exactly that with good result when it happened.

As for the trash the real concern was that DC’s school had students in groups to clean up after lunch. We asked for an assignment that didn’t involve food residues or trash.

I think this level of vigilance is about your own anxiety level and wanting to assert a level of control over your environment that you don't really have. And I think it makes your kid anxious too.

Read labels, speak up, teach the kid to advocate for themselves. Hammer it home early and often. In particular, do not eat unwrapped candy or baked goods where you don't know the origin. Carry the epi pen at all times. The rest of it, you can't control other people. People around you can and will eat peanuts.

I suspect you don’t have an allergy either.

Nobody in their right mind eats peanuts on public transit any more.

As for the lunchroom, you’re suggesting not handling peanut-contaminated items is anxiety-driven? Please.

What is the peanut-contaminated item? If the "peanut-contaminated" item is a trashcan where someone might have thrown out the remnant of their peanut butter sandwich, seems kind of anxiety driven. If it's a plate smeared with peanut butter and it's a young child who doesn't have a lot of awareness yet, makes more sense.

People can be very bad at risk assessment. I guarantee your kid does a bunch of things daily that are a lot more risky than being around a trash can with a peanut butter sandwich in it.

I don’t think it is “anxiety driven” for a person with a life threaten allergy to want to avoid accidentally getting contaminated and then transferring the contamination to where they might ingest it. Because people touch their mouths, etc., and don’t always surgery-scrub beforehand. That other life risks exist is irrelevant. One avoids what one reasonably can. What would be your view if the concern was a chemical that might find its way somewhere, as in the case where somebody carelessly threw a rag soaked with turpentine or anotherindustrial solvent into a trash can?

I agree with this. The part I don't agree with is the assessment that someone throwing their peanut butter sandwich in a trash can could somehow transfer to you (or your kid) and you might ingest it. To give the benefit of the doubt, you are envisioning a world where the peanut butter is dragged down the inside of the trashcan and then you (or your kid) subsequently touch or hold onto that same side of the trashcan. That's the scenario? I'm just not operating in that head space that I think that is happening.

I can't really respond to equating a peanut butter sandwich to a turpentine soaked rag.

The peanut butter actually is more dangerous to an allergic person. But getting that across is, as the discussion here demonstrates, extremely difficult. People seem incapable of comprehending that their tasty treat could kill someone. And peanut butter is like baby poop — once it’s on one thing it’s everywhere.

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Anonymous wrote:You need to carry at least two Epi pens everywhere, in case one malfunctions or the ambulance is delayed in coming. As soon as the child is able they need to carry two themselves. Be sure they know how to use them. Practice regularly with the trainer.

We always also have albuterol and Benadryl.

Ask the allergist when to use. One PP said use upon two symptoms. Ours said use upon confirmed exposure even if asymptomatic.

If you use epinephrine the person needs to go by ambulance to the emergency room.

Epi pens are not magic talismans. They don’t always work. They sometimes need to be repeated.

Your child needs to learn to self-advocate about allergies as soon as possible. Teach them to read every label every time. Ingredients change. No unlabeled or homemade outside snacks. Send your own treats to school. Be very particular in restaurants. Be aware of potential language issues — we were assured that a bakery product contained no nuts. Then informed “only nut flour” when we asked a second time.

They need to be aware of environmental contamination. Like the kid in class who brings a peanut butter sandwich and then uses a finger to scrape out and eat the peanut butter. Or the contaminated trash in a cafeteria trash can. Or the person one row away in an aircraft who is eating peanuts.

I believe there is a sensitivity-reducing shot and desensitization treatments. We are not there yet, so I leave it to others with knowledge to discuss them.

I have a 12 year old peanut allergic kid and agree with most of this with a couple caveats and can add some info about OIT.

As to bolded, some kids really are not this sensitive to peanuts in their environment. Mine isn't. We eat peanut butter in our household. My kid has zero sensitivity to being near peanuts. I understand some kids do. But this is an added level of hyper-vigilance that isn't necessary for some kids.

We did the OIT and it worked. The part I didn't anticipate is my child HATES HATES HATES the taste of peanuts. This makes sense. Her body is trained to really dislike the thing that is going to make her sick. However, when you get to the end the maintenane is eating some amount of peanut daily. We tried all vehicles. The peanut, some peanut butter, a peanut m&m, a reeses pieces. She hated all of them. She was about 10 at the time we did this. It was a nightly battle and we just gave up. I could not see sustaining forcing her to eat something she hated. I think with an older kid it could be eaiser.

As to the follow up bolded, without claiming any scientific/literature based special knowledge, I suggest it is extremely dangerous to be casual about any level of potential exposure. I don’t think it is “hyper vigilance.”

The example given was someone in the next row on an airplane eating peanuts and "contaminated" trash in a trashcan at school. What is your plan for these scenarios? Wear a hazmat suit in the plane and tell your child not to dumpster dive in the trash?

I think a reasonable warning is to say if your friend is eating a peanut butter sandwich, be aware and don't share any utensils or plates.

The plan for the airplane was to ask the person to stop and put the product away or get rid of it. And we did exactly that with good result when it happened.

As for the trash the real concern was that DC’s school had students in groups to clean up after lunch. We asked for an assignment that didn’t involve food residues or trash.

I think this level of vigilance is about your own anxiety level and wanting to assert a level of control over your environment that you don't really have. And I think it makes your kid anxious too.

Read labels, speak up, teach the kid to advocate for themselves. Hammer it home early and often. In particular, do not eat unwrapped candy or baked goods where you don't know the origin. Carry the epi pen at all times. The rest of it, you can't control other people. People around you can and will eat peanuts.

I suspect you don’t have an allergy either.

Nobody in their right mind eats peanuts on public transit any more.

As for the lunchroom, you’re suggesting not handling peanut-contaminated items is anxiety-driven? Please.

What is the peanut-contaminated item? If the "peanut-contaminated" item is a trashcan where someone might have thrown out the remnant of their peanut butter sandwich, seems kind of anxiety driven. If it's a plate smeared with peanut butter and it's a young child who doesn't have a lot of awareness yet, makes more sense.

People can be very bad at risk assessment. I guarantee your kid does a bunch of things daily that are a lot more risky than being around a trash can with a peanut butter sandwich in it.

I don’t think it is “anxiety driven” for a person with a life threaten allergy to want to avoid accidentally getting contaminated and then transferring the contamination to where they might ingest it. Because people touch their mouths, etc., and don’t always surgery-scrub beforehand. That other life risks exist is irrelevant. One avoids what one reasonably can. What would be your view if the concern was a chemical that might find its way somewhere, as in the case where somebody carelessly threw a rag soaked with turpentine or anotherindustrial solvent into a trash can?

I agree with this. The part I don't agree with is the assessment that someone throwing their peanut butter sandwich in a trash can could somehow transfer to you (or your kid) and you might ingest it. To give the benefit of the doubt, you are envisioning a world where the peanut butter is dragged down the inside of the trashcan and then you (or your kid) subsequently touch or hold onto that same side of the trashcan. That's the scenario? I'm just not operating in that head space that I think that is happening.

I can't really respond to equating a peanut butter sandwich to a turpentine soaked rag.

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Anonymous wrote:You need to carry at least two Epi pens everywhere, in case one malfunctions or the ambulance is delayed in coming. As soon as the child is able they need to carry two themselves. Be sure they know how to use them. Practice regularly with the trainer.

We always also have albuterol and Benadryl.

Ask the allergist when to use. One PP said use upon two symptoms. Ours said use upon confirmed exposure even if asymptomatic.

If you use epinephrine the person needs to go by ambulance to the emergency room.

Epi pens are not magic talismans. They don’t always work. They sometimes need to be repeated.

Your child needs to learn to self-advocate about allergies as soon as possible. Teach them to read every label every time. Ingredients change. No unlabeled or homemade outside snacks. Send your own treats to school. Be very particular in restaurants. Be aware of potential language issues — we were assured that a bakery product contained no nuts. Then informed “only nut flour” when we asked a second time.

They need to be aware of environmental contamination. Like the kid in class who brings a peanut butter sandwich and then uses a finger to scrape out and eat the peanut butter. Or the contaminated trash in a cafeteria trash can. Or the person one row away in an aircraft who is eating peanuts.

I believe there is a sensitivity-reducing shot and desensitization treatments. We are not there yet, so I leave it to others with knowledge to discuss them.

I have a 12 year old peanut allergic kid and agree with most of this with a couple caveats and can add some info about OIT.

As to bolded, some kids really are not this sensitive to peanuts in their environment. Mine isn't. We eat peanut butter in our household. My kid has zero sensitivity to being near peanuts. I understand some kids do. But this is an added level of hyper-vigilance that isn't necessary for some kids.

We did the OIT and it worked. The part I didn't anticipate is my child HATES HATES HATES the taste of peanuts. This makes sense. Her body is trained to really dislike the thing that is going to make her sick. However, when you get to the end the maintenane is eating some amount of peanut daily. We tried all vehicles. The peanut, some peanut butter, a peanut m&m, a reeses pieces. She hated all of them. She was about 10 at the time we did this. It was a nightly battle and we just gave up. I could not see sustaining forcing her to eat something she hated. I think with an older kid it could be eaiser.

As to the follow up bolded, without claiming any scientific/literature based special knowledge, I suggest it is extremely dangerous to be casual about any level of potential exposure. I don’t think it is “hyper vigilance.”

The example given was someone in the next row on an airplane eating peanuts and "contaminated" trash in a trashcan at school. What is your plan for these scenarios? Wear a hazmat suit in the plane and tell your child not to dumpster dive in the trash?

I think a reasonable warning is to say if your friend is eating a peanut butter sandwich, be aware and don't share any utensils or plates.

The plan for the airplane was to ask the person to stop and put the product away or get rid of it. And we did exactly that with good result when it happened.

As for the trash the real concern was that DC’s school had students in groups to clean up after lunch. We asked for an assignment that didn’t involve food residues or trash.

I think this level of vigilance is about your own anxiety level and wanting to assert a level of control over your environment that you don't really have. And I think it makes your kid anxious too.

Read labels, speak up, teach the kid to advocate for themselves. Hammer it home early and often. In particular, do not eat unwrapped candy or baked goods where you don't know the origin. Carry the epi pen at all times. The rest of it, you can't control other people. People around you can and will eat peanuts.

I suspect you don’t have an allergy either.

Nobody in their right mind eats peanuts on public transit any more.

As for the lunchroom, you’re suggesting not handling peanut-contaminated items is anxiety-driven? Please.

Wrong again. You think people respond in this level of detail if they don't have an allergic kid? Why would a person be on this thread?

You're a fool if you think people have stopped eating peanuts in public. They haven't. The world does not revolve around our peanut allergic kids. I think more people are aware of nut allergies than ever before and many kid-based settings are really good about it. But in the general population? No.

Ah, puerile name calling and ad hominem attack. Always the best way to strengthen an argument.

People assert themselves for their own benefit all the time. “Excuse me, I believe I was before you in line.” Why should a person with a life-threatening allergy be expected to remain silent because many, even most, people think of peanuts as a tasty, filling, low carb snack? The people we’ve occasionally asked for an accommodation have always been very gracious.

You can definitely do that. The point is that will not exert perfect control over your environment, which is clearly what you are after. I think the reason you could be expected to remain silent is because a person several seats away from you minding their own business and eating something of their choosing is not affecting you at all, despite what you have convinced yourself. Unless they are a toddler and about to smear it near your kid or approach your child directly, approaching adults eating food and telling them to stop is obnoxious.

Somebody several seats or tables away in a lunchroom is worlds different than one row ahead on a sardine can economy class airline who is actually aerosolizing their food while they eat it.

And “obnoxious” is a far better label than “victim.”

I'm genuinely curious if there is any case on record of a person having an allergic reaction based on a nearby plane passenger eating peanuts. I have an allergic kid. This never crossed my mind to worry about this.

Doesn’t fully answer your question but read on:
https://simpleflying.com/delta-air-lines-passenger-removed-flight-shellfish-allergy/

It doesn't answer the question but interesting story and speaks more to the culture these allergies have created. What airlines will do to avoid getting sued is different than reality of what actually might happen. This is why all bakeries now just label everything as might have nuts. They are covering their ass. And I don't blame them.

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Anonymous wrote:You’re…”surprised” that people who have kids with potentially FATAL allergies are so vigilant? That takes you by surprise? WTAF?

I get it if your kid has a severe allergy, but I don't view mine as a severe (at least based on what our allergist has said, lack of accidental exposures, freely eating out at restaurants, etc.) I will be more vigilant and carry the epi-pens, but I'm not planning on going overboard like making people around me stop eating peanuts. My kid knows to be careful.

LOL, OK. So your kid has been making sure to have an epi-pen kit with her at play dates, takes it to every restaurant, and talks to servers and restaurant managers about her allergy? Wow. Impressive! At such a young age.

It’s also amazing that your kid understands that even mild allergies can become severe with no warning, especially when there are exposures over time. It’s wonderful that she realizes that even though she has not had a severe reaction as of yet, it could be a severe reaction at any time. Interesting that she knows that when you didn’t seem to know that.

Anonymous wrote:Do not want to carry EpiPen around? Do the OIT. Seriously, it's one of the reasons we did. The main reason was we hated using the EpiPen on our kid (at least twice).

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Anonymous wrote:You need to carry at least two Epi pens everywhere, in case one malfunctions or the ambulance is delayed in coming. As soon as the child is able they need to carry two themselves. Be sure they know how to use them. Practice regularly with the trainer.

We always also have albuterol and Benadryl.

Ask the allergist when to use. One PP said use upon two symptoms. Ours said use upon confirmed exposure even if asymptomatic.

If you use epinephrine the person needs to go by ambulance to the emergency room.

Epi pens are not magic talismans. They don’t always work. They sometimes need to be repeated.

Your child needs to learn to self-advocate about allergies as soon as possible. Teach them to read every label every time. Ingredients change. No unlabeled or homemade outside snacks. Send your own treats to school. Be very particular in restaurants. Be aware of potential language issues — we were assured that a bakery product contained no nuts. Then informed “only nut flour” when we asked a second time.

They need to be aware of environmental contamination. Like the kid in class who brings a peanut butter sandwich and then uses a finger to scrape out and eat the peanut butter. Or the contaminated trash in a cafeteria trash can. Or the person one row away in an aircraft who is eating peanuts.

I believe there is a sensitivity-reducing shot and desensitization treatments. We are not there yet, so I leave it to others with knowledge to discuss them.

I have a 12 year old peanut allergic kid and agree with most of this with a couple caveats and can add some info about OIT.

As to bolded, some kids really are not this sensitive to peanuts in their environment. Mine isn't. We eat peanut butter in our household. My kid has zero sensitivity to being near peanuts. I understand some kids do. But this is an added level of hyper-vigilance that isn't necessary for some kids.

We did the OIT and it worked. The part I didn't anticipate is my child HATES HATES HATES the taste of peanuts. This makes sense. Her body is trained to really dislike the thing that is going to make her sick. However, when you get to the end the maintenane is eating some amount of peanut daily. We tried all vehicles. The peanut, some peanut butter, a peanut m&m, a reeses pieces. She hated all of them. She was about 10 at the time we did this. It was a nightly battle and we just gave up. I could not see sustaining forcing her to eat something she hated. I think with an older kid it could be eaiser.

As to the follow up bolded, without claiming any scientific/literature based special knowledge, I suggest it is extremely dangerous to be casual about any level of potential exposure. I don’t think it is “hyper vigilance.”

The example given was someone in the next row on an airplane eating peanuts and "contaminated" trash in a trashcan at school. What is your plan for these scenarios? Wear a hazmat suit in the plane and tell your child not to dumpster dive in the trash?

I think a reasonable warning is to say if your friend is eating a peanut butter sandwich, be aware and don't share any utensils or plates.

The plan for the airplane was to ask the person to stop and put the product away or get rid of it. And we did exactly that with good result when it happened.

As for the trash the real concern was that DC’s school had students in groups to clean up after lunch. We asked for an assignment that didn’t involve food residues or trash.

I think this level of vigilance is about your own anxiety level and wanting to assert a level of control over your environment that you don't really have. And I think it makes your kid anxious too.

Read labels, speak up, teach the kid to advocate for themselves. Hammer it home early and often. In particular, do not eat unwrapped candy or baked goods where you don't know the origin. Carry the epi pen at all times. The rest of it, you can't control other people. People around you can and will eat peanuts.

I suspect you don’t have an allergy either.

Nobody in their right mind eats peanuts on public transit any more.

As for the lunchroom, you’re suggesting not handling peanut-contaminated items is anxiety-driven? Please.

Wrong again. You think people respond in this level of detail if they don't have an allergic kid? Why would a person be on this thread?

You're a fool if you think people have stopped eating peanuts in public. They haven't. The world does not revolve around our peanut allergic kids. I think more people are aware of nut allergies than ever before and many kid-based settings are really good about it. But in the general population? No.

Ah, puerile name calling and ad hominem attack. Always the best way to strengthen an argument.

People assert themselves for their own benefit all the time. “Excuse me, I believe I was before you in line.” Why should a person with a life-threatening allergy be expected to remain silent because many, even most, people think of peanuts as a tasty, filling, low carb snack? The people we’ve occasionally asked for an accommodation have always been very gracious.

You can definitely do that. The point is that will not exert perfect control over your environment, which is clearly what you are after. I think the reason you could be expected to remain silent is because a person several seats away from you minding their own business and eating something of their choosing is not affecting you at all, despite what you have convinced yourself. Unless they are a toddler and about to smear it near your kid or approach your child directly, approaching adults eating food and telling them to stop is obnoxious.

Somebody several seats or tables away in a lunchroom is worlds different than one row ahead on a sardine can economy class airline who is actually aerosolizing their food while they eat it.

And “obnoxious” is a far better label than “victim.”

I'm genuinely curious if there is any case on record of a person having an allergic reaction based on a nearby plane passenger eating peanuts. I have an allergic kid. This never crossed my mind to worry about this.

Doesn’t fully answer your question but read on:
https://simpleflying.com/delta-air-lines-passenger-removed-flight-shellfish-allergy/