Anonymous
07/06/2025 11:26
Subject: Trump - bankers = Shylocks
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:But Ivanka is Jewish!
She’s not Jewish, she simply learned some things about the religion and raises her kids Jewish. She didn’t grow up Jewish. She doesn’t have Jewish DNA. She’s a phony.
Shylocks is an antisemitic slur. It’s hateful. Let’s see if those Jewish organizations targeting anyone who protest the killing of Palestinians speak up.
No, this is wrong, she converted, which makes her Jewish. Period. Even if you wish she wasn’t.
Anonymous
07/04/2025 20:59
Subject: Trump - bankers = Shylocks
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Biden used the same term in 2014.
Correct, and he apologized the next day. Has Trump apologized yet?
So it's about the apology, not the use of the word?
+1
Even if/when he apologizes, this crowd isn't going to let it go, the way they did with Biden.
He's not going to apologize. He never does.
Anonymous
07/04/2025 20:46
Subject: Trump - bankers = Shylocks
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Biden used the same term in 2014.
Correct, and he apologized the next day. Has Trump apologized yet?
So it's about the apology, not the use of the word?
+1
Even if/when he apologizes, this crowd isn't going to let it go, the way they did with Biden.
They never do because it isn't even about the apology, but rather the sense of POWER a person feels when another person is forced to apologize. Oftentimes, the people demanding an apology have no right to be offended (i.e., they're offended for other people). Even if they do have a right to be offended, they don't have the right to demand an apology for everyone who does. People are individuals, not a group.
As a Jewish person, I wasn't offended. If you're not Jewish, you have no right to be offended on my behalf. Also, the ADL doesn't speak for me, nor do others on this board might be Jewish.
Anonymous
07/04/2025 20:37
Subject: Trump - bankers = Shylocks
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Biden used the same term in 2014.
Correct, and he apologized the next day. Has Trump apologized yet?
So it's about the apology, not the use of the word?
+1
Even if/when he apologizes, this crowd isn't going to let it go, the way they did with Biden.
Anonymous
07/04/2025 20:33
Subject: Trump - bankers = Shylocks
Anonymous wrote:Biden used the same term in 2014.
But tHaT's DiFfErEnT!
After a phone call with the vice president on Wednesday, Foxman said it was clear there was no ill-intent and that Biden had been a true friend to Jews and a stalwart against bigotry.
“He has turned a rhetorical gaffe into a teachable moment,” Foxman said, adding that he and the vice president had “agreed that perhaps he needs to bone up on his Shakespeare.”
https://apnews.com/united-states-government-a34ebedd22b74095b90d3abb7f393822
Anonymous
07/04/2025 20:31
Subject: Trump - bankers = Shylocks
Anonymous wrote:So who is he hanging out with that’s throwing this term around?
He's from New York! He absolutely knows what it means. And he used it "correctly" in his little ranting good people vs bad people speech. Nobody his age & from the boros doesn't know what a shylock is.
Anonymous
07/04/2025 19:56
Subject: Trump - bankers = Shylocks
MAGAS only care about antiSemitism if the can use it to screw colleges, universities and elites.
Anonymous
07/04/2025 19:25
Subject: Trump - bankers = Shylocks
I thought this was why Democrats hate bankers so much. Or is it that they hate Jews because they are bankers?
Anonymous
07/04/2025 18:29
Subject: Trump - bankers = Shylocks
Anonymous wrote:This is the stuff I love Trump for. Everyone thinks he’s dumb then he drops one of these.
MAGA loves a little casual antisemitism
Anonymous
07/04/2025 17:58
Subject: Trump - bankers = Shylocks
This is the stuff I love Trump for. Everyone thinks he’s dumb then he drops one of these.
Anonymous
07/04/2025 17:08
Subject: Trump - bankers = Shylocks
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:But Ivanka is Jewish!
She’s not Jewish, she simply learned some things about the religion and raises her kids Jewish. She didn’t grow up Jewish. She doesn’t have Jewish DNA. She’s a phony.
Shylocks is an antisemitic slur. It’s hateful. Let’s see if those Jewish organizations targeting anyone who protest the killing of Palestinians speak up.
Supposedly. She converted.
Anonymous
07/04/2025 17:07
Subject: Trump - bankers = Shylocks
Anonymous wrote:1. I agree this phrase is antisemitic.
2. The incredibly common phrase "pound of flesh" is just as antisemitic; in fact, the character Shylock in Shakespeare's play The Merchant of Venice sets the effective collateral for a loan as a pound of flesh.
3. Which is more anti-semitic? Well, in context, referring to bankers as Shylock (who is an infamous banker) has some theoretical degree of coherence even without express resort to the antisemitic overtones. The same cannot be said for "pound of flesh" which is used far more routinely. In that respect, it's a little weird to make a news story out of "Shylock" while staying silent when the phrase "pound of flesh" is used (a not infrequent occurrence).
4. Is it really believable that Trump was unaware of the antisemitic context surround shylock? No, I don't think so. Its obscurity and its ickiness strike me as comparable, so if you know the word, you probably know it's bad.
5. Would this be national news if, say, Hillary Clinton or Cory Booker said it? Cant imagine. Then again, it's easier to imagine trump affirmatively wanting to do a dog whistle, so it's not an apples to apples comparison.
6. On balance, I think this is just one more data point for why trump is a bad guy, but it's not crazy to think the people in this thread vowing to continue to "fight" or condemning the press as some how complicit are maybe doing a bit much.
If only trump's bankers had demanded their pound of flesh for every defaulted loan!
Anonymous
07/04/2025 17:03
Subject: Trump - bankers = Shylocks
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:He’s now claiming he didn’t know what the word meant.
I’m torn between believing him because he’s stupid and not believing him because he lies about everything.
Come on, you know he's lying
But *you* know he's stupid. It's a real conundrum.
OK. Trump is a stupid lying Son of a "biscuit."
Anonymous
07/04/2025 17:01
Subject: Trump - bankers = Shylocks
Anonymous wrote:I’m starting to think Trump and MAGAs don’t actually care about anti-semitism.
MAGA is made up.of Christian right wing terrorists who still blame Jews for the crucification of Christ. I had a discussion with one and pointed out that the death of Christ on the cross is what guarantees Christians forgiveness of sins and eternal life and that without His death in this way there is no Christianity
I also pointed out that it was Pontius Pilate. Who presided over the trial of Christ and have the order for His death.
Facts are of no interest to them.
Anonymous
07/04/2025 16:54
Subject: Trump - bankers = Shylocks
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:I fact checked this and this is what he said:
On July 3, 2025, President Donald Trump used the term "Shylocks" to refer to some bankers during a speech at the Iowa State Fairgrounds, while discussing his "One Big Beautiful Bill Act." He said, "No death tax, no estate tax, no going to the banks and borrowing from, in some cases, a fine banker and in some cases, Shylocks and bad people. They destroyed a lot of families, but we did the opposite."
Trump later claimed he was unaware of the term’s antisemitic connotations, stating, "I’ve never heard it that way. To me, a Shylock is somebody that’s a money lender at high rates
What's the term for someone who takes out loans at high (or low) rates and then declines to pay them back.every.time?
'Pulling a Donald."