Anonymous
Post 07/06/2025 11:39     Subject: NVSL and sportsmanship

Anonymous wrote:I don’t understand why everyone is so focused on tech suits. If the kid wants to wear a tech suit, let them. If the family can afford it, it’s not your business. I don’t say anything when you go out for dinner or on vacation. And I’ll add another perspective and tell you that when my daughter was struggling with her first summer having periods, I encouraged her to wear a black tech suit to the meets. It made her feel much better and like no one could “see anything.” So lighten up, people. Let the kids wear whatever they want, as long as they are happy, comfortable and confident. It really doesn’t really affect your kid.


8U mom here - do any of the girls wear them during early puberty just for the extra modesty? Some of the regular suits are so high-cut, and I don’t want to have to help an elementary/middle schooler with bikini line issues.
Anonymous
Post 07/06/2025 10:49     Subject: NVSL and sportsmanship

Anonymous wrote:I don’t understand why everyone is so focused on tech suits. If the kid wants to wear a tech suit, let them. If the family can afford it, it’s not your business. I don’t say anything when you go out for dinner or on vacation. And I’ll add another perspective and tell you that when my daughter was struggling with her first summer having periods, I encouraged her to wear a black tech suit to the meets. It made her feel much better and like no one could “see anything.” So lighten up, people. Let the kids wear whatever they want, as long as they are happy, comfortable and confident. It really doesn’t really affect your kid.


Couldn’t agree more.
Anonymous
Post 07/06/2025 10:39     Subject: NVSL and sportsmanship

I don’t understand why everyone is so focused on tech suits. If the kid wants to wear a tech suit, let them. If the family can afford it, it’s not your business. I don’t say anything when you go out for dinner or on vacation. And I’ll add another perspective and tell you that when my daughter was struggling with her first summer having periods, I encouraged her to wear a black tech suit to the meets. It made her feel much better and like no one could “see anything.” So lighten up, people. Let the kids wear whatever they want, as long as they are happy, comfortable and confident. It really doesn’t really affect your kid.
Anonymous
Post 07/06/2025 10:17     Subject: NVSL and sportsmanship

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Anonymous wrote:If you own a tech suit(s), more than likely you swim on a club team, which is far more important to save your suit "swims" for champ meets than burn them at summer meets. Who cares what rank you are for 11-12 backstroke in NVSL!


Yup. Those suits are far too expensive to wear in a rec meet. USA swimming sanctioned meet where times are at least official is the bare minimum for a tech suit. Also, aren’t these summer meets hand-timed? Wearing a tech suit to in a hand-timed race seems a bit much.


Just stop. The 12U legal suits are not that expensive. Just picked one up for my kid at a local store for about $100. That's not much more than our team suit. They last forever. My kid has outgrown every one we've bought before it has worn out.

The new one is mostly for LC champs, but you better believe it will be used for our NVSL meets. DC will again out grown this suit before winter champs so I'm going to get my money's worth out of it.

You people must be a ton of fun at other sports. Do you examine every bat at baseball/softball and tell the kids they need to save that bat for All stars? It's too good to use for a regular season game? Those soccer cleats are too nice to use in this game. It's unsportsmanlike to have nicer shoes than the other team!

You are proving the point that most of you don’t understand what a tech suit is versus a kneeskin. The actual tech suits run about $500 and have a limited number of wears before they lose their advantage, so yes wasting a wear on a summer league SCM swim is ridiculous.


I do know what an actual tech suit is and you can see these actual $500+ suits in use tonight at relay carnival across multiple divisions, especially the higher divisions.

That’s not the point posters are making here. Wear whatever you want, that’s fine. In a mid or low tier division where this is not common practice just give the other team a heads up so they can also let their swimmers know. That way it’s a level playing field and people don’t look like d-bags!

Just be a good sport. One suit here or there for people trying to break records, fine. When a whole team shows up at your pool wearing knee skins for 12u and then half the older kids have real tech suits on, it’s not a great look when you are in a double digit division.

If I went to the OKM - Chesterbrook meet I would expect to see this because it’s common practice. Double digit division not so much. This thread is about sportsmanship.


Meet this weekend. They had 20 kids in tech suits. Top third in tge league and they see nothing wrong with it.

After this thread I went and looked at team social media and the ones in tech suits for A meets. Just a bad look.


When you’re poking around a kids’ team social media to see what they’re wearing it may be time to take a look in the mirror rather than accuse them of a “bad look”.
Anonymous
Post 07/06/2025 09:40     Subject: NVSL and sportsmanship

Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:If you own a tech suit(s), more than likely you swim on a club team, which is far more important to save your suit "swims" for champ meets than burn them at summer meets. Who cares what rank you are for 11-12 backstroke in NVSL!


Yup. Those suits are far too expensive to wear in a rec meet. USA swimming sanctioned meet where times are at least official is the bare minimum for a tech suit. Also, aren’t these summer meets hand-timed? Wearing a tech suit to in a hand-timed race seems a bit much.


Just stop. The 12U legal suits are not that expensive. Just picked one up for my kid at a local store for about $100. That's not much more than our team suit. They last forever. My kid has outgrown every one we've bought before it has worn out.

The new one is mostly for LC champs, but you better believe it will be used for our NVSL meets. DC will again out grown this suit before winter champs so I'm going to get my money's worth out of it.

You people must be a ton of fun at other sports. Do you examine every bat at baseball/softball and tell the kids they need to save that bat for All stars? It's too good to use for a regular season game? Those soccer cleats are too nice to use in this game. It's unsportsmanlike to have nicer shoes than the other team!

You are proving the point that most of you don’t understand what a tech suit is versus a kneeskin. The actual tech suits run about $500 and have a limited number of wears before they lose their advantage, so yes wasting a wear on a summer league SCM swim is ridiculous.


I do know what an actual tech suit is and you can see these actual $500+ suits in use tonight at relay carnival across multiple divisions, especially the higher divisions.

That’s not the point posters are making here. Wear whatever you want, that’s fine. In a mid or low tier division where this is not common practice just give the other team a heads up so they can also let their swimmers know. That way it’s a level playing field and people don’t look like d-bags!

Just be a good sport. One suit here or there for people trying to break records, fine. When a whole team shows up at your pool wearing knee skins for 12u and then half the older kids have real tech suits on, it’s not a great look when you are in a double digit division.

If I went to the OKM - Chesterbrook meet I would expect to see this because it’s common practice. Double digit division not so much. This thread is about sportsmanship.


Meet this weekend. They had 20 kids in tech suits. Top third in tge league and they see nothing wrong with it.

After this thread I went and looked at team social media and the ones in tech suits for A meets. Just a bad look.
Anonymous
Post 07/04/2025 20:56     Subject: NVSL and sportsmanship


There is a really crazy intense dad of a middle age group daughter at DL. He is the same way at club meets. I feel horrible for her. Seems like this is their culture.


We were at D7 divisionals and sadly, I didn’t see a crazy intense dad. What does this guy do that’s bad for his kid?
Anonymous
Post 07/03/2025 18:13     Subject: NVSL and sportsmanship

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Anonymous wrote:Our swim team doesn't let kids without times in A meets. How does that not cause hard feelings with the kid on the ladder with a time who should have had that spot?


Nobody has an official time for the first A meet. We’ve had instances where a swimmer with NT is known to be faster and swims in place of some with a time.

What would you do if you needed someone with NT to fill a lane? Not let them swim? At times had to beg non-swim team club members to swim. They obviously wouldn’t have times.


Isn't that why every team does time trials? If a kid doesn't swim in time trials, he doesn't have a time he can use to get into an A meet until he swims it in a B meet.


Let’s say a team has 60 swimmers. A number of those won’t be available for the first A meet, further reducing your options. You’re probably going to use a swimmer even if they missed time trials.
Anonymous
Post 07/03/2025 14:01     Subject: NVSL and sportsmanship

Anonymous wrote:
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Anonymous wrote:Our swim team doesn't let kids without times in A meets. How does that not cause hard feelings with the kid on the ladder with a time who should have had that spot?


Nobody has an official time for the first A meet. We’ve had instances where a swimmer with NT is known to be faster and swims in place of some with a time.

What would you do if you needed someone with NT to fill a lane? Not let them swim? At times had to beg non-swim team club members to swim. They obviously wouldn’t have times.


Isn't that why every team does time trials? If a kid doesn't swim in time trials, he doesn't have a time he can use to get into an A meet until he swims it in a B meet.


Only A meet times from this year count as having a time for NVSL rules purposes. But there are lots of ways to figure out who is faster: time trials, b meets, race offs, last years times, etc.


I can't tell if you are being dense on purpose? I am a NP. Time trials and B meets are a fair and transparent way to give everyone the opportunity to qualify for an A meet. All the other suggestions are favoritism for some swimmers, who yes may be faster.


Sure. Time trials and B meets are fair and transparent but it’s not a perfect solution.

Some clubs offer makeup time trials, some don’t. Some have a B meets before the first A meet, some don’t. Each club gets to handle it how they want. It’s their club.

A NT entry is within bounds of the NVSL rules. From an opposing team perspective (which is how the complaint originated) no foul was committed. Rules were followed.

A PP mentioned giving the opposing team a heads up of a fast NT swimmer. That’s a gracious thing to do. The opposing team could just as equally search for the NT swimmer in myNVSL for 2024 or swimcloud to get a feel for the swimmers speed if they are so concerned about NT swimmers
Anonymous
Post 07/03/2025 13:54     Subject: NVSL and sportsmanship

Anonymous wrote:
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Anonymous wrote:Our swim team doesn't let kids without times in A meets. How does that not cause hard feelings with the kid on the ladder with a time who should have had that spot?


Nobody has an official time for the first A meet. We’ve had instances where a swimmer with NT is known to be faster and swims in place of some with a time.

What would you do if you needed someone with NT to fill a lane? Not let them swim? At times had to beg non-swim team club members to swim. They obviously wouldn’t have times.


Isn't that why every team does time trials? If a kid doesn't swim in time trials, he doesn't have a time he can use to get into an A meet until he swims it in a B meet.


Only A meet times from this year count as having a time for NVSL rules purposes. But there are lots of ways to figure out who is faster: time trials, b meets, race offs, last years times, etc.


I can't tell if you are being dense on purpose? I am a NP. Time trials and B meets are a fair and transparent way to give everyone the opportunity to qualify for an A meet. All the other suggestions are favoritism for some swimmers, who yes may be faster.

Not necessarily. If a kid’s time from last year is faster than what others put down at time trials then I don’t find it unfair or favoritism to swim that swimmer in the first A meet as a NT.
Anonymous
Post 07/03/2025 13:45     Subject: NVSL and sportsmanship

Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:Our swim team doesn't let kids without times in A meets. How does that not cause hard feelings with the kid on the ladder with a time who should have had that spot?


Nobody has an official time for the first A meet. We’ve had instances where a swimmer with NT is known to be faster and swims in place of some with a time.

What would you do if you needed someone with NT to fill a lane? Not let them swim? At times had to beg non-swim team club members to swim. They obviously wouldn’t have times.


Isn't that why every team does time trials? If a kid doesn't swim in time trials, he doesn't have a time he can use to get into an A meet until he swims it in a B meet.


That sounds like a great way for your team to do it. Other teams can do as they please.
Anonymous
Post 07/03/2025 13:45     Subject: NVSL and sportsmanship

Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:Our swim team doesn't let kids without times in A meets. How does that not cause hard feelings with the kid on the ladder with a time who should have had that spot?


Nobody has an official time for the first A meet. We’ve had instances where a swimmer with NT is known to be faster and swims in place of some with a time.

What would you do if you needed someone with NT to fill a lane? Not let them swim? At times had to beg non-swim team club members to swim. They obviously wouldn’t have times.


Isn't that why every team does time trials? If a kid doesn't swim in time trials, he doesn't have a time he can use to get into an A meet until he swims it in a B meet.


Only A meet times from this year count as having a time for NVSL rules purposes. But there are lots of ways to figure out who is faster: time trials, b meets, race offs, last years times, etc.


I can't tell if you are being dense on purpose? I am a NP. Time trials and B meets are a fair and transparent way to give everyone the opportunity to qualify for an A meet. All the other suggestions are favoritism for some swimmers, who yes may be faster.
Anonymous
Post 07/03/2025 13:21     Subject: NVSL and sportsmanship

Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:Our swim team doesn't let kids without times in A meets. How does that not cause hard feelings with the kid on the ladder with a time who should have had that spot?


Nobody has an official time for the first A meet. We’ve had instances where a swimmer with NT is known to be faster and swims in place of some with a time.

What would you do if you needed someone with NT to fill a lane? Not let them swim? At times had to beg non-swim team club members to swim. They obviously wouldn’t have times.


Isn't that why every team does time trials? If a kid doesn't swim in time trials, he doesn't have a time he can use to get into an A meet until he swims it in a B meet.


Only A meet times from this year count as having a time for NVSL rules purposes. But there are lots of ways to figure out who is faster: time trials, b meets, race offs, last years times, etc.
Anonymous
Post 07/03/2025 13:15     Subject: NVSL and sportsmanship

Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:Our swim team doesn't let kids without times in A meets. How does that not cause hard feelings with the kid on the ladder with a time who should have had that spot?


Nobody has an official time for the first A meet. We’ve had instances where a swimmer with NT is known to be faster and swims in place of some with a time.

What would you do if you needed someone with NT to fill a lane? Not let them swim? At times had to beg non-swim team club members to swim. They obviously wouldn’t have times.


Isn't that why every team does time trials? If a kid doesn't swim in time trials, he doesn't have a time he can use to get into an A meet until he swims it in a B meet.
Anonymous
Post 07/03/2025 12:50     Subject: NVSL and sportsmanship

Anonymous wrote:Our swim team doesn't let kids without times in A meets. How does that not cause hard feelings with the kid on the ladder with a time who should have had that spot?


Nobody has an official time for the first A meet. We’ve had instances where a swimmer with NT is known to be faster and swims in place of some with a time.

What would you do if you needed someone with NT to fill a lane? Not let them swim? At times had to beg non-swim team club members to swim. They obviously wouldn’t have times.
Anonymous
Post 07/03/2025 10:58     Subject: NVSL and sportsmanship

Anonymous wrote:Our swim team doesn't let kids without times in A meets. How does that not cause hard feelings with the kid on the ladder with a time who should have had that spot?


If the kid on the ladder was faster than the kid winning from the outside lane, the kid on the ladder was not faster than the kid on the outside lane.