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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

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Anonymous wrote:Convicted criminals need to go home.
Why should struggling taxpayer Americans be forced to pay for the upkeep of foreign criminals?

Anyone who wants them to stay, should right now volunteer to pay for Alligator Alley living expenses.

So to you, anyone who is a naturalized citizen is still a foreigner? Because actually, factually, they are now American. Thank you for saying the quiet part out loud; that as a naturalized citizen I am less than you, the natural born ones. I deserve less. I am a category below you.

Ironically, denaturalizing and deporting people instead of having them serve their crimes here could actually be a better outcome for some people when it comes to serious crimes. So much for the party of law and order. Instead of justice you want to just release people to live a normal life, albeit in a different country?

DP. There is a difference between someone born a citizen and someone granted citizenship as a benefit. That benefit can be taken away if it is later found to have been derived through illegal or fraudulent means.

As to the second part of your post, you might have a point, especially if the person is likely to be a danger to society in the future.

How about someone who committed war crimes? Maybe deporting them to their home country and having them face the music there might not be a bad thing.

There’s no longer such thing as a birthright citizen. Didn’t you hear? Whoever the president is can now just make up their own rules about who qualifies.

Who said anything about birthright citizenship?
There does need to be more clarity since the constitution simply doesn’t get into every possible contingency. As far as I’m concerned, if your parent(s) are citizens then you are too.

Sure, but they are taking away people born in hospitals in the US. That isn't what the Constitution says. And stripping away naturalized citizens who have gone through the process legally, short of serious crimes, is just callous.

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Anonymous wrote:Seems like the solution is pretty simple. Follow the law and you'll be fine.

Show me the man and I’ll show you the crime. They showed you Trump’s crimes. When the objective is to get you, they will find the crime.

Trump was protected by his own appointees in Florida and SCOTUS. He rigged the system for himself and put himself above the law.

Anonymous wrote:This administration rules by fear, just like any other dictatorship. They are trying to silence any dissenters, and remove "others".

Any naturalized citizen should be afraid. Go read the FAFO thread. It's full of "but, I didn't think he meant meeeee..." posts. Yes, he does mean you. He doesn't care about you.

Of course, the hypocrisy is that Trump's wife and entire family should also have their citizenship revoked since Melania lied on her application, and her father is an admitted communist. Remember Rs? Communism is a national threat, right?

They won't care if you came here as a baby and became naturalized. So, don't think that just because you came here as a child you are safe. You aren't.

Absolutely bonkers.

Because MAGA are suddenly such purists about people's immigration status and who's a "real" American, let's examine some members of Trump's own extended family.

*Trump's current FIL was a card-carrying communist party member in Yugoslavia.
*His first wife, Ivana, was from a communist country and while there's no evidence that she or her family were communists, they did receive some privileges that only connected people tend to get in communist countries.
*Also, in order to be able to visit his daughter in the US, Ivana's father was registered as a “conspiratorial” informant or “confidant” of the StB (the Czech. secret police, which worked closely with the KGB) starting in 1977, the year Ivana married Trump. The father reported on Ivana’s activities, including her life in the U.S., her husband’s business dealings, and political insights.
*Ivana's path toward US citizenship was not exactly a straight one. First, in order to get out of Czechoslovakia, in 1971 she married an Austrian friend to get Austrian citizenship. They never lived together. In 1972 she got her Austrian passport and she and her first husband divorced in 1973. Between 1972 and 1976, Ivana lived in Canada. In 1976 she moved to the US where she soon met Trump and they married in 1977. "Her entry into the U.S. was legal, but her earlier marriage to Winklmayr [the Austrian] raised questions during a later FBI investigation due to its strategic nature, which resembled “marriage fraud” under U.S. law (though no charges were filed)."
*In 1989, the FBI opened a counterintelligence inquiry into Ivana’s ties to Czechoslovakia, prompted by a confidential source and her frequent visits to her homeland. The investigation, spanning multiple countries (including Canada and Austria), examined her immigration history, employment, and connections to Czechoslovak intelligence. Documents noted inconsistencies in her Immigration and Naturalization Service file regarding dates of residence, schooling, and employment, as well as her rapid changes in citizenship (Austrian in 1972, Canadian in 1978, and U.S. permanent resident in 1978). The inquiry was closed in 1991 due to a lack of actionable leads, but the heavily redacted 190-page file (part of a 900-page dossier) suggests ongoing concerns about her Eastern Bloc connections.

This is exactly what I voted for. God Bless PDJT!!!

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Convicted criminals need to go home.
Why should struggling taxpayer Americans be forced to pay for the upkeep of foreign criminals?

Anyone who wants them to stay, should right now volunteer to pay for Alligator Alley living expenses.

So to you, anyone who is a naturalized citizen is still a foreigner? Because actually, factually, they are now American. Thank you for saying the quiet part out loud; that as a naturalized citizen I am less than you, the natural born ones. I deserve less. I am a category below you.

Ironically, denaturalizing and deporting people instead of having them serve their crimes here could actually be a better outcome for some people when it comes to serious crimes. So much for the party of law and order. Instead of justice you want to just release people to live a normal life, albeit in a different country?

DP. There is a difference between someone born a citizen and someone granted citizenship as a benefit. That benefit can be taken away if it is later found to have been derived through illegal or fraudulent means.

As to the second part of your post, you might have a point, especially if the person is likely to be a danger to society in the future.

How about someone who committed war crimes? Maybe deporting them to their home country and having them face the music there might not be a bad thing.

There’s no longer such thing as a birthright citizen. Didn’t you hear? Whoever the president is can now just make up their own rules about who qualifies.

Who said anything about birthright citizenship?
There does need to be more clarity since the constitution simply doesn’t get into every possible contingency. As far as I’m concerned, if your parent(s) are citizens then you are too.

Trump did. Doesn’t matter what you think. It’s now up to whatever the current president thinks thanks to SCOTUS.

Anonymous wrote:Dems wrote the playbook on weaponizing the DOJ to get what they want. I don’t understand why they are upset now.

Cough...Garland...

Anonymous wrote:Dems wrote the playbook on weaponizing the DOJ to get what they want. I don’t understand why they are upset now.

Yes, we agree that you don't understand. You can try harder next time, though. Keep at it.

Dems wrote the playbook on weaponizing the DOJ to get what they want. I don’t understand why they are upset now.

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Convicted criminals need to go home.
Why should struggling taxpayer Americans be forced to pay for the upkeep of foreign criminals?

Anyone who wants them to stay, should right now volunteer to pay for Alligator Alley living expenses.

So to you, anyone who is a naturalized citizen is still a foreigner? Because actually, factually, they are now American. Thank you for saying the quiet part out loud; that as a naturalized citizen I am less than you, the natural born ones. I deserve less. I am a category below you.

Ironically, denaturalizing and deporting people instead of having them serve their crimes here could actually be a better outcome for some people when it comes to serious crimes. So much for the party of law and order. Instead of justice you want to just release people to live a normal life, albeit in a different country?

DP. There is a difference between someone born a citizen and someone granted citizenship as a benefit. That benefit can be taken away if it is later found to have been derived through illegal or fraudulent means.

As to the second part of your post, you might have a point, especially if the person is likely to be a danger to society in the future.

How about someone who committed war crimes? Maybe deporting them to their home country and having them face the music there might not be a bad thing.

There’s no longer such thing as a birthright citizen. Didn’t you hear? Whoever the president is can now just make up their own rules about who qualifies.

Who said anything about birthright citizenship?
There does need to be more clarity since the constitution simply doesn’t get into every possible contingency. As far as I’m concerned, if your parent(s) are citizens then you are too.

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Convicted criminals need to go home.
Why should struggling taxpayer Americans be forced to pay for the upkeep of foreign criminals?

Anyone who wants them to stay, should right now volunteer to pay for Alligator Alley living expenses.

So to you, anyone who is a naturalized citizen is still a foreigner? Because actually, factually, they are now American. Thank you for saying the quiet part out loud; that as a naturalized citizen I am less than you, the natural born ones. I deserve less. I am a category below you.

Ironically, denaturalizing and deporting people instead of having them serve their crimes here could actually be a better outcome for some people when it comes to serious crimes. So much for the party of law and order. Instead of justice you want to just release people to live a normal life, albeit in a different country?

DP. There is a difference between someone born a citizen and someone granted citizenship as a benefit. That benefit can be taken away if it is later found to have been derived through illegal or fraudulent means.

As to the second part of your post, you might have a point, especially if the person is likely to be a danger to society in the future.

How about someone who committed war crimes? Maybe deporting them to their home country and having them face the music there might not be a bad thing.

There’s no longer such thing as a birthright citizen. Didn’t you hear? Whoever the president is can now just make up their own rules about who qualifies.

GOP and MAGA can't help themselves.

They no longer care about the Constitution, but they don't have the brainpower figure that out.

This administration rules by fear, just like any other dictatorship. They are trying to silence any dissenters, and remove "others".

Any naturalized citizen should be afraid. Go read the FAFO thread. It's full of "but, I didn't think he meant meeeee..." posts. Yes, he does mean you. He doesn't care about you.

Of course, the hypocrisy is that Trump's wife and entire family should also have their citizenship revoked since Melania lied on her application, and her father is an admitted communist. Remember Rs? Communism is a national threat, right?

They won't care if you came here as a baby and became naturalized. So, don't think that just because you came here as a child you are safe. You aren't.

Absolutely bonkers.

Anonymous wrote:We do need more law and order in our country. The guy who murdered the family in NW, for example, had a long rap sheet prior to the murders. He immigrated here from Guyana. If he had been denaturalized after his first offense, that family would still be alive.

It was a horrific case, and I agree that had he been deported after any of his many offenses, the family (AND their Hispanic housekeeper--let's not forget her) would be alive today.

However, that's not how it has worked in the past. Before the Trump administration, denaturalization of U.S. citizens was rare, averaging 10-16 cases per year from 1990 to 2017. Cases mainly targeted serious fraud, war crimes, or national security threats. One reason is that there have been strict legal standards for denaturalization: The Supreme Court’s 1967 ruling in Afroyim v. Rusk established that citizenship could only be revoked for naturalized citizens in cases of willful fraud or misrepresentation during the naturalization process. This high legal threshold limited cases to those with clear evidence of deliberate deceit, such as concealing war crimes or using false identities. Another reason is that in a country created BY immigrants and populated by IMMIGRANTS and the descendants of IMMIGRANTS, revoking citizenship is a politically sensitive act. It suggests that some Americans are "less than" other Americans. That may work in countries that are more homogenous and that have much fewer migrants, but it's going to be difficult in the US context. Given that ICE appears to be grabbing some people off the street because they don't "look or sound American," denaturalization is not going to be an easy policy to implement.

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Convicted criminals need to go home.
Why should struggling taxpayer Americans be forced to pay for the upkeep of foreign criminals?

Anyone who wants them to stay, should right now volunteer to pay for Alligator Alley living expenses.

So to you, anyone who is a naturalized citizen is still a foreigner? Because actually, factually, they are now American. Thank you for saying the quiet part out loud; that as a naturalized citizen I am less than you, the natural born ones. I deserve less. I am a category below you.

Ironically, denaturalizing and deporting people instead of having them serve their crimes here could actually be a better outcome for some people when it comes to serious crimes. So much for the party of law and order. Instead of justice you want to just release people to live a normal life, albeit in a different country?

DP. There is a difference between someone born a citizen and someone granted citizenship as a benefit. That benefit can be taken away if it is later found to have been derived through illegal or fraudulent means.

As to the second part of your post, you might have a point, especially if the person is likely to be a danger to society in the future.

How about someone who committed war crimes? Maybe deporting them to their home country and having them face the music there might not be a bad thing.

The problem is that this administration is playing very loose with the law, and SCOTUS is enabling them every step of the way. So this corrupt administration could invent technicalities, etc. on why someone's citizenship isn't valid.

It’s a crime family at this point.

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Convicted criminals need to go home.
Why should struggling taxpayer Americans be forced to pay for the upkeep of foreign criminals?

Anyone who wants them to stay, should right now volunteer to pay for Alligator Alley living expenses.

So to you, anyone who is a naturalized citizen is still a foreigner? Because actually, factually, they are now American. Thank you for saying the quiet part out loud; that as a naturalized citizen I am less than you, the natural born ones. I deserve less. I am a category below you.

Ironically, denaturalizing and deporting people instead of having them serve their crimes here could actually be a better outcome for some people when it comes to serious crimes. So much for the party of law and order. Instead of justice you want to just release people to live a normal life, albeit in a different country?

DP. There is a difference between someone born a citizen and someone granted citizenship as a benefit. That benefit can be taken away if it is later found to have been derived through illegal or fraudulent means.

As to the second part of your post, you might have a point, especially if the person is likely to be a danger to society in the future.

How about someone who committed war crimes? Maybe deporting them to their home country and having them face the music there might not be a bad thing.

The problem is that this administration is playing very loose with the law, and SCOTUS is enabling them every step of the way. So this corrupt administration could invent technicalities, etc. on why someone's citizenship isn't valid.