Anonymous wrote:Tiger parenting works. Probably at the detriment of their kid's emotional well being, but it works.

The mythical "naturally smart and driven kid" is usually a kid with hidden trauma or an undiagnosed personality disorder who manages it with perfectionistic habits.

Both tend to unravel at some point in a really dramatic way, usually second semester sophomore year at Princeton.

That's a weird definition of "works" that you have.

Tiger parenting works. Probably at the detriment of their kid's emotional well being, but it works.

The mythical "naturally smart and driven kid" is usually a kid with hidden trauma or an undiagnosed personality disorder who manages it with perfectionistic habits.

Both tend to unravel at some point in a really dramatic way, usually second semester sophomore year at Princeton.

Anonymous wrote:Honestly? I think it's the rare kid who has a really REALLY good, driven, young school counselor who sees the potential and helps them through it.

This kid is likely:
- rural/small city
- naturally gifted. very little effort and they're just breezing through
- thinks they are "smart," but doesn't really compare to anyone else in their class and/or school
- doesn't really study for the SAT/ACT because they either don't have the time or access to study materials, yet still gets a strong score
- captain of a team or two because they are popular
- student leader (see above)
- works a minimum wage job to help their family

maybe:
- first gen college student
- parents/family are working class

The real challenge for this kid is they get to that ivy or really any college and can they adapt. Can they push through the challenges (not able to go out or don't have much spending money, it's hard to buy books) and persevere?

These kids aren’t rare at all and are heavily hooked.

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Anonymous wrote:What percent of students do you think get into Ivy leagues who are both:

- completely unhooked and by that I mean, including Rural, first GEN, low income, minority, athletes, feeder schools, come from states that produce few applicants, etc.

AND

- have zero pushing from parents (to join/start/continue activities, college admissions counselors, essay help, etc) OR anything that results in a curated college app.

I don't know what percent, but DC did get in.

Cared about one thing and only one thing. No volunteering. No other activities. Everthing is related to that one thing and only one thing. Wrote the essay about that, supplemental are about that, recommendation letters are about that, activities are about that.

I did not thing DC even had a chance with that profile, but two of HYPSM bit. I don't think anyone can figure these things out. From what I know the above would be automatic shut out.

Porn?

Stop projecting your DD's extracurriculars on others!

I would say 80% of the students at DC's school who goes to Ivies have the help of parents who are really involved in shaping their ECs and/or academics strategically. The other 20% don't have super type A parents but at least half of that 20% is hooked in some way.

Honestly, a fair number of those 80% sort of burn out and are not anymore successful than the kids who went to UVA or Michigan who didn't have helicopter parents steering them in high school.

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Anonymous wrote:Not sure, but I think this is the kid that ivies want. They want Barrack Obama at 16-years-old, not a lot of SAT tutoring or curating, with an organically developed passion for community activism. Only they would've wanted him with a 4.0. Not sure what his actual GPA was at the time but pretty sure it wasn't a 4.0.

Obama went to THE most elite private high in Hawaii. They don’t give out As easily, I am pretty sure he didn’t have 4.0. Most likely no one at his school had 4.0.

I don’t think he was a community activist back in high school. He was raised by his white grandparents.

And college admissions were much much easier at his time. Just different times.

Obama started at Occidental, which likely had close to 100% admit rate in the 1980s.

He then transferred to Columbia, which had a 65% admit rate for freshmen in the 1980s - so the transfer smit rate must have been much higher. Few kids wanted to go to Columbia when the neighborhood was such a mess.

Occidental could be by choice.

His sat score was around 1400. In 70’s that was a pretty high score, probably similar to 1550 nowadays.

Honestly? I think it's the rare kid who has a really REALLY good, driven, young school counselor who sees the potential and helps them through it.

This kid is likely:
- rural/small city
- naturally gifted. very little effort and they're just breezing through
- thinks they are "smart," but doesn't really compare to anyone else in their class and/or school
- doesn't really study for the SAT/ACT because they either don't have the time or access to study materials, yet still gets a strong score
- captain of a team or two because they are popular
- student leader (see above)
- works a minimum wage job to help their family

maybe:
- first gen college student
- parents/family are working class

The real challenge for this kid is they get to that ivy or really any college and can they adapt. Can they push through the challenges (not able to go out or don't have much spending money, it's hard to buy books) and persevere?

Anonymous wrote:Can someone please link the 10 point activity list? Now we all want to see it.

https://www.dcurbanmom.com/jforum/posts/list/1278483.page#30230239

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Anonymous wrote:Not sure, but I think this is the kid that ivies want. They want Barrack Obama at 16-years-old, not a lot of SAT tutoring or curating, with an organically developed passion for community activism. Only they would've wanted him with a 4.0. Not sure what his actual GPA was at the time but pretty sure it wasn't a 4.0.

Obama went to THE most elite private high in Hawaii. They don’t give out As easily, I am pretty sure he didn’t have 4.0. Most likely no one at his school had 4.0.

I don’t think he was a community activist back in high school. He was raised by his white grandparents.

And college admissions were much much easier at his time. Just different times.

Obama started at Occidental, which likely had close to 100% admit rate in the 1980s.

He then transferred to Columbia, which had a 65% admit rate for freshmen in the 1980s - so the transfer smit rate must have been much higher. Few kids wanted to go to Columbia when the neighborhood was such a mess.

So now we're insulting Obama's intelligence? Really? You are a blithering idiot. The amount of mental contortions you had to go through to even try to make that argument is unbelievable.

The idiots are running this country and have brainwashed the masses. Next thing we will hear is that Donald Trump is a morally upstanding human being (which of course will be pivoted to some comment about how bad Biden is - because that is how Fox News tells you to respond).

How about this rule going forward - no comments insulting Democrats without first ignoring some flaw in Trump. Even if it is his penmanship. Otherwise you have zero credibility. Not that you care.

But of course I will just get a snarky response. Because that is all MAGA is capable of. Trying to own the libs. Biden tried so hard to be nice despite constant garbage. Trump is a snarling fat pathetic angry impotent rapist loser who wants to bang his daughter.

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Anonymous wrote:Not sure, but I think this is the kid that ivies want. They want Barrack Obama at 16-years-old, not a lot of SAT tutoring or curating, with an organically developed passion for community activism. Only they would've wanted him with a 4.0. Not sure what his actual GPA was at the time but pretty sure it wasn't a 4.0.

Obama went to THE most elite private high in Hawaii. They don’t give out As easily, I am pretty sure he didn’t have 4.0. Most likely no one at his school had 4.0.

I don’t think he was a community activist back in high school. He was raised by his white grandparents.

And college admissions were much much easier at his time. Just different times.

He also didn’t get into an Ivy. I do think if he’d had the 4.0 and the community activism, he would’ve been exactly what Princeton was looking for. Today’s ivies want kids that will become adults who bring them glory. They try to poke through the curation to the authenticity, because future leaders probably do have inner drives that go beyond resume building. If they had a crystal ball that told them the marijuana smoking 3.7 kid from Hawaii would one day be president, they would use that ball every time.

These colleges are not aligned with parents, who want kids to be safe, secure, comfortable and in the right networks and social circles.

Obama went to Occidental then transfer to Columbia so I consider he being in an ivy (but not Trump).
3.7 or not, those elite high school is highly selective at first place, to get in and to survive for four years. I have no doubt about his aptitude.
Harris is another example, a great future leader who didn't get in ivies.
Anyway, I don't think Ivies are particularly good at screening for future leaders. People are reading too much into it.

Harris was also a one-time faculty kid at Berkeley and Stanford and they still didn't take her. I do think she is of above-average intelligence - passing the CA on your second try is still an accomplishment.

The one having intelligence problem is someone who paid a proxy to take the SAT for him. This board so insists that SAT can be prepped. Fine, he couldn't even be prepped and had to find a proxy.

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Anonymous wrote:Not sure, but I think this is the kid that ivies want. They want Barrack Obama at 16-years-old, not a lot of SAT tutoring or curating, with an organically developed passion for community activism. Only they would've wanted him with a 4.0. Not sure what his actual GPA was at the time but pretty sure it wasn't a 4.0.

Obama went to THE most elite private high in Hawaii. They don’t give out As easily, I am pretty sure he didn’t have 4.0. Most likely no one at his school had 4.0.

I don’t think he was a community activist back in high school. He was raised by his white grandparents.

And college admissions were much much easier at his time. Just different times.

He also didn’t get into an Ivy. I do think if he’d had the 4.0 and the community activism, he would’ve been exactly what Princeton was looking for. Today’s ivies want kids that will become adults who bring them glory. They try to poke through the curation to the authenticity, because future leaders probably do have inner drives that go beyond resume building. If they had a crystal ball that told them the marijuana smoking 3.7 kid from Hawaii would one day be president, they would use that ball every time.

These colleges are not aligned with parents, who want kids to be safe, secure, comfortable and in the right networks and social circles.

Obama went to Occidental then transfer to Columbia so I consider he being in an ivy (but not Trump).
3.7 or not, those elite high school is highly selective at first place, to get in and to survive for four years. I have no doubt about his aptitude.
Harris is another example, a great future leader who didn't get in ivies.
Anyway, I don't think Ivies are particularly good at screening for future leaders. People are reading too much into it.

Harris was also a one-time faculty kid at Berkeley and Stanford and they still didn't take her. I do think she is of above-average intelligence - passing the CA on your second try is still an accomplishment.

Passing CA bar on the second try is good. The problematic ones are those who tried and tried multiple times and still can't pass the bar.
Everyone wanted to pass the bar on the first attempt, but sometimes it happens. Stanford Law School Dean also failed the first attempt.

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Anonymous wrote:Not sure, but I think this is the kid that ivies want. They want Barrack Obama at 16-years-old, not a lot of SAT tutoring or curating, with an organically developed passion for community activism. Only they would've wanted him with a 4.0. Not sure what his actual GPA was at the time but pretty sure it wasn't a 4.0.

Obama went to THE most elite private high in Hawaii. They don’t give out As easily, I am pretty sure he didn’t have 4.0. Most likely no one at his school had 4.0.

I don’t think he was a community activist back in high school. He was raised by his white grandparents.

And college admissions were much much easier at his time. Just different times.

He also didn’t get into an Ivy. I do think if he’d had the 4.0 and the community activism, he would’ve been exactly what Princeton was looking for. Today’s ivies want kids that will become adults who bring them glory. They try to poke through the curation to the authenticity, because future leaders probably do have inner drives that go beyond resume building. If they had a crystal ball that told them the marijuana smoking 3.7 kid from Hawaii would one day be president, they would use that ball every time.

These colleges are not aligned with parents, who want kids to be safe, secure, comfortable and in the right networks and social circles.

Obama went to Occidental then transfer to Columbia so I consider he being in an ivy (but not Trump).
3.7 or not, those elite high school is highly selective at first place, to get in and to survive for four years. I have no doubt about his aptitude.
Harris is another example, a great future leader who didn't get in ivies.
Anyway, I don't think Ivies are particularly good at screening for future leaders. People are reading too much into it.

Harris was also a one-time faculty kid at Berkeley and Stanford and they still didn't take her. I do think she is of above-average intelligence - passing the CA on your second try is still an accomplishment.

meant passing the CA bar

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Anonymous wrote:Not sure, but I think this is the kid that ivies want. They want Barrack Obama at 16-years-old, not a lot of SAT tutoring or curating, with an organically developed passion for community activism. Only they would've wanted him with a 4.0. Not sure what his actual GPA was at the time but pretty sure it wasn't a 4.0.

Obama went to THE most elite private high in Hawaii. They don’t give out As easily, I am pretty sure he didn’t have 4.0. Most likely no one at his school had 4.0.

I don’t think he was a community activist back in high school. He was raised by his white grandparents.

And college admissions were much much easier at his time. Just different times.

He also didn’t get into an Ivy. I do think if he’d had the 4.0 and the community activism, he would’ve been exactly what Princeton was looking for. Today’s ivies want kids that will become adults who bring them glory. They try to poke through the curation to the authenticity, because future leaders probably do have inner drives that go beyond resume building. If they had a crystal ball that told them the marijuana smoking 3.7 kid from Hawaii would one day be president, they would use that ball every time.

These colleges are not aligned with parents, who want kids to be safe, secure, comfortable and in the right networks and social circles.

Obama went to Occidental then transfer to Columbia so I consider he being in an ivy (but not Trump).
3.7 or not, those elite high school is highly selective at first place, to get in and to survive for four years. I have no doubt about his aptitude.
Harris is another example, a great future leader who didn't get in ivies.
Anyway, I don't think Ivies are particularly good at screening for future leaders. People are reading too much into it.

Harris was also a one-time faculty kid at Berkeley and Stanford and they still didn't take her. I do think she is of above-average intelligence - passing the CA on your second try is still an accomplishment.

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Anonymous wrote:Not sure, but I think this is the kid that ivies want. They want Barrack Obama at 16-years-old, not a lot of SAT tutoring or curating, with an organically developed passion for community activism. Only they would've wanted him with a 4.0. Not sure what his actual GPA was at the time but pretty sure it wasn't a 4.0.

Obama went to THE most elite private high in Hawaii. They don’t give out As easily, I am pretty sure he didn’t have 4.0. Most likely no one at his school had 4.0.

I don’t think he was a community activist back in high school. He was raised by his white grandparents.

And college admissions were much much easier at his time. Just different times.

Obama started at Occidental, which likely had close to 100% admit rate in the 1980s.

He then transferred to Columbia, which had a 65% admit rate for freshmen in the 1980s - so the transfer smit rate must have been much higher. Few kids wanted to go to Columbia when the neighborhood was such a mess.

Can someone please link the 10 point activity list? Now we all want to see it.