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Anonymous wrote:10,000,000 people is a drop in the bucket.

Not when they are concentrated in a few industries. But why not answer the question?

How is it that almost every other country on Earth can do everything without mass illegal immigration on the scale like Dems support in America? Australia, New Zealand, Korea, Japan, China, Germany.....they all are capable of growing enough food, getting their hotels cleaned, and having staff to run restaurants without mass illegal immigration. Hell, been to Japan? Of the times their food is way cheaper than the US! Even after accounting for PPP and exchange rates, Japan doesn't need mass illegal immigration for food production and running restaurants.


Such a dumb Dem argument. Other countries have figured this out already.

So why don’t you give us the answer if it is so clear?

I'm not speaking for the PP but the answer is obvious. Those jobs can be filled by immigrants who are vetted and pre-authorrized to come to the US to work. This would be a safer and more appropriate 21st century way of utilizing an immigration process to maintain an adequate workforce.

Immigration reform.

The Republican trifecta has zero appetite for immigration reform.

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Anonymous wrote:Genuinely curious as to what the plan is after Trump has deported everyone. How will our economy function?

Who will work in agriculture? Meat packing? Service industry? I see a lot about “immigrants” being slave labor and that wages will have to go up to attract US citizens to these jobs. But that will lead to a huge increase in prices. And will US citizens move to where these jobs are located? Or is the idea that the government will subsidize the cost of relocating the jobs to where the people who currently rely on government handouts currently live?

What’s the plan?

As usual, the economy will adjust. The day of the robots is coming sooner than you think.

You are an effing moron.
Robots can't even fold laundry.
Robots are extremely expensive to design, build and operate.
And humans are needed to repair the robots when they break down.
Humans are much cheaper and more efficient for picking a lot of crops. When will we find these imagined robots in my kitchen loading the dishwasher and taking out the trash?

Deporting huge numbers of immigrants will have terrible consequences for our economy.Immigrants pay taxes but get nothing back.

Deporting all the undocumented immigrants in the US is a fascist exercise -- like the Nazis did to the Jews. There is no point except to generate fear.

This is an odd hill to die on so passionately.

Agricultural technology will adjust, just as it has for the last 10,000 years.


I don't even like Trump, but compared the deportation of illegal immigrants to the Holocaust is ..., I don't even know what to say.

This is what happens when a group of people cannot distinguish between citizens of a country and illegal immigrants.

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Anonymous wrote:10,000,000 people is a drop in the bucket.

Not when they are concentrated in a few industries. But why not answer the question?

How is it that almost every other country on Earth can do everything without mass illegal immigration on the scale like Dems support in America? Australia, New Zealand, Korea, Japan, China, Germany.....they all are capable of growing enough food, getting their hotels cleaned, and having staff to run restaurants without mass illegal immigration. Hell, been to Japan? Of the times their food is way cheaper than the US! Even after accounting for PPP and exchange rates, Japan doesn't need mass illegal immigration for food production and running restaurants.


Such a dumb Dem argument. Other countries have figured this out already.

Other countries also have figured out how to stop weekly mass shootings, how to provide healthcare for everyone at a lesser cost than us, educating their citizenry… doesn’t mean we will do it.

In the end, it all comes down to money. Americans expect cheap products because for decades it’s been that way.

That’s why tariffs on China are such a big deal. Yeah I can buy made in America, but if I can buy something ALMOST as good for less, I think we all know what most people will pick.

So back to agriculture…spending $8 for a glass of orange juice because an American picks the oranges is not anyone’s first choice.

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Anonymous wrote:We never had farmers or dairy workers before illegal immigration.

Did you ever read The Grapes of Wrath? You will be screaming when strawberries are $20.00 a pound. Where I shop they are currently $4.99. I only purchase when they are on special. Fresh produce will rot in the fields because there is no one to harvest the crop.

Well it currently is, but not only bc labor costs more, but also bc Trump’s tariffs have made the equation unprofitable for farmers - see the Florida farmers tilling over their tomatoes (not to mention, we don’t buy tomatoes at the store give ctrump’s f*ing up food safety and the listeria outbreak

Anonymous wrote:We never had farmers or dairy workers before illegal immigration.

Did you ever read The Grapes of Wrath? You will be screaming when strawberries are $20.00 a pound. Where I shop they are currently $4.99. I only purchase when they are on special. Fresh produce will rot in the fields because there is no one to harvest the crop.

Look at u-6 unemployment. There are tens of millions who left the work force, who could come back in.

Anonymous wrote:My grandparents and many relatives (aunts, uncles, cousins etc) worked and many still work in some of the jobs mentioned in this thread when they came to this country. Legally. The same can still happen.

Bumping my own post because I don’t think anyone commented on it. I’m all for immigration reform as are many in my family. There are lots who want to come to this family legally and work hard. I am very proud of where I came from and of my family. None of us think people should be coming here illegally and resent how do many believe all immigrants are for illegal immigration. Quite the opposite is true. My family has a harder work ethic than many I know and I hope I can instill a fraction of that into my kids.

I’m proud that they worked hard so some of us could go to college, by our choice. Others worked in the family businesses, their choice.

I don't actually care that much.

48% of Latinos voted for Trump and now they are complaining.

All I can say is that it could be done more humanely.

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Anonymous wrote:Who will pick our cotton??!!?

That’s a flippant response but doesn’t actually address any way forward.

Btw, machines harvest cotton so no need for anyone to do that anymore.

The questions OP posed are the same as those who asked who will pick cotton. The answer is the same: machines, other technology, or *gasp* actually paying Americans living wages.

America will be just fine.

All of that sounds nice, but are you prepared to pay for those living wages through massively higher prices on food and other goods? Because that's the inevitable outcome unless something is also done to prevent companies from passing on the costs to consumers while making in record profits. The wages are the problem, it's the wealth hoarding.

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Anonymous wrote:10,000,000 people is a drop in the bucket.

Not when they are concentrated in a few industries. But why not answer the question?

How is it that almost every other country on Earth can do everything without mass illegal immigration on the scale like Dems support in America? Australia, New Zealand, Korea, Japan, China, Germany.....they all are capable of growing enough food, getting their hotels cleaned, and having staff to run restaurants without mass illegal immigration. Hell, been to Japan? Of the times their food is way cheaper than the US! Even after accounting for PPP and exchange rates, Japan doesn't need mass illegal immigration for food production and running restaurants.


Such a dumb Dem argument. Other countries have figured this out already.

You cannot be serious. Japan is having a crisis b/c they don't have enough people. China has too many people. None of those countries have an economy as good as ours (at least we did b/f 1/20). Other countries haven't figured this out. We were growing faster.

Anonymous wrote:So ironic that the Dems' modern day argument for being PRO illegal immigration is nothing more than being PRO slavery and arguing, "But who will think of the slave plantation owners!?".

It's a stepping stone. My best friend is Mexican. Her parents worked in a chicken factory. She has her Master's degree and married a wealthy guy and takes care of her parents. She's not embarrassed to talk about it. It was a sacrifice her parents made so that she and her siblings could go to college.

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Anonymous wrote:10,000,000 people is a drop in the bucket.

Not when they are concentrated in a few industries. But why not answer the question?

Wages will rise due to demand and more native born Americans will work those jobs.

OMG, I am so sick of this stupidity. Every time that has been attempted, it has failed. Americans will start the job and quit the next day. Ask dairy farmers in Wisconsin. They couldn't raise their wages enough. People still quit. We don't want to pick fruit or work in chicken factories no matter how much you pay them.

We need to go back to the 70s when Mexicans crossed the border to work then went back home. Then we made it too difficult to do this and they stayed. We need migrant workers.

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Anonymous wrote:Obama deported more than Trump.

Biden deported more than Trump.

The country is still functioning.

What am I missing?

Is anyone going to answer this?

Can you be passionate about a living wage but justify illegal immigration with the premise that we need them to take bad, low paying jobs with no benefits or protections?

The position of the Democratic Party is that corporations should provide a living wage with safety and environmental protections. Corporations which traditionally supported the GOP (which now governs all three branches) don’t want to provide this and would prefer low wages with illegal immigrants to ensure large profit margins.

Has Trump used his bully pulpit to address this?

But putting that aside is MAGA prepared to pay more for housing and groceries to support those living wage jobs?

I’d prefer straightforward answers rather than deflection and whataboutism.

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Anonymous wrote:Obama deported more than Trump.

Biden deported more than Trump.

The country is still functioning.

What am I missing?

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Anonymous wrote:Can you be passionate about a living wage but justify illegal immigration with the premise that we need them to take bad, low paying jobs with no benefits or protections?

Please, they haven't even really touched the illegals in all the red states.

ICE has barely made any raids here in VA. Why? Republican governor. If all those guys standing on the corner at 7-11 are legally able to work, why aren't they working?

Even the raids that have happened in red states have started in the larger cities, which tend to be the liberal, blue-leaning parts of the state.

My uncle's farm in SD is very reliant on illegals for labor. There have been no farm raids up there. They hit a company that is French owned and a direct competitor to John Deere and 1 other place and netted under 10 people.

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Anonymous wrote:Genuinely curious as to what the plan is after Trump has deported everyone. How will our economy function?

Who will work in agriculture? Meat packing? Service industry? I see a lot about “immigrants” being slave labor and that wages will have to go up to attract US citizens to these jobs. But that will lead to a huge increase in prices. And will US citizens move to where these jobs are located? Or is the idea that the government will subsidize the cost of relocating the jobs to where the people who currently rely on government handouts currently live?

What’s the plan?

Not to base the American economy on illegal immigrants?

Shocking I know.

That’s not a plan. That’s a result. What are the details to get there? What policies will be implemented?