Anonymous wrote:Oh for Peet’s sake. Drop Kelley. Get a 3.7 freshman year and transfer to NYU.

A student might not have the option to drop Kelley even if they achieve a 3.7 GPA with just one B grade. If I had a student seeking standard admission to Kelley, I would strongly consider contacting my child's second-choice school to see if that option would still be available. As a paying customer, there's no reason to accept this kind of treatment

Oh for Peet’s sake. Drop Kelley. Get a 3.7 freshman year and transfer to NYU.

Graduate programs have rescinded admissions before enrollment, not after. Why does everyone have such trouble with facts? When you enroll you are signing agreements - if you are ok with schools telling you to go f yourself after that point, you should expect more out of life and service providers. They should have shown their true colors to SA and gave them the chance to walk. What they did was deceptive and self serving. Go IU!

It's amazing how many people on this thread are calling kids stupid for nothing being able to get a 3.3 GPA when it has been repeatedly said that they must receive a B+ grade in every class - Kelley or not. That means 10 classes, as a freshman including the "weed out" ones, you can never get less than a B+. You can have a 3.9 GPA and not make it for one B in a 1 credit class.

Furthermore, you can assume that they are not going to do non-automatic admissions if they already went to such lengths as to enroll students under terms they knew they would not honor, weeks later. They did it because they are out of room, but they knew that before May 1 and they did it anyway to trap the pre-business students at IU, having declined all other enrollments.

Meanwhile, the direct admits only have to get a 2.0 cumulative and can include any grade at or above a D-. If this school is so elite and these direct admits are so clearly brilliant, why the polar opposite standards for performance?

There is absolutely legal precedent which prevents universities from doing what IU has done, and I hope and expect that they will get sued. The standard admission agreement the kids enrolled with was "automated guaranteed admission with B or higher in every grade". Check case law before saying there is no case. It's a very expensive university and they did a very classic bait and switch with the hope of retaining some students in alternate majors by enrolling them under false pretense.

Not a good look.

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Anonymous wrote:I'm legitimately considering legal action. DH is a lawyer (civil).

Then he should know this is a nothing burger ..

There is no case here.
If you are paying OOS tuition to IU for a kid that can not make a 3.3 shame on you .

Not doing a direct admit business school was also a stupid decision financially

100%. Someone feels entitled to be at Kelley with a 3.0 GPA. That is not fair to DAs who locked themselves Junior and Senior years studying and getting tons of As and APs to get in with merit. 3.0 and grade inflation tells me someone was partying hard in high school. Too late now. You get what you put in. Hopefully it is a lesson and it is never late. But you can’t goof around and try to go head to head with people who work hard and make sacrifices and try to sue. It just doesn’t work like that.

Anonymous wrote:I'm legitimately considering legal action. DH is a lawyer (civil).

Then he should know this is a nothing burger ..

There is no case here.
If you are paying OOS tuition to IU for a kid that can not make a 3.3 shame on you .

Not doing a direct admit business school was also a stupid decision financially

Maybe they should just get rid of standard admission altogether. Then there would never be a situation like this for people to complain about.

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Anonymous wrote:What kind of dummy can't maintain a 3.3 GPA in undergraduate business classes? Maybe have him skip the fraternity if you're so concerned.

I think you're missing the main issue here. While we could debate whether the GPA threshold should be 3.0, 3.3, or 3.5, that's not really the point. The real problem is the timing. This represents a significant policy change implemented after students had already committed and paid their enrollment deposits.

Some students likely would have made different college decisions if these new requirements had been disclosed upfront. While this doesn't affect my family directly (my child doesn't attend IU), I can understand the frustration these families must be feeling.

When we were evaluating colleges, we carefully researched secondary admission requirements at every school my child considered. These policies absolutely influenced our decision-making process. A change of this magnitude would have prompted us to reach out to other schools where my child had been accepted to explore options.

The issue isn't necessarily the standards themselves, but rather the lack of transparency and poor timing of this policy change.

Everyone is missing the point here. If you are not a DA at Kelley, don’t try to go there unless you are happy with other majors at IU. Kelley is competitive unlike the rest of IU. So if your DC is average and you think he can make Kelley as pre business, you are missing the point. Let us get realistic parents. Kelley requires at least 3.8 HS GPA FYI.

This is factually uncorrect. There are incoming pre-business students with >3.9 GPAs and >1300 SATs who did not meet direct admit standard for direct admission (3.8 GPA and minimum 1370 SAT) and also did not get admitted after the direct admit review was requested based on high GPA and close to the minimum SAT standard.

This is fine and somewhat expected given the historically high numbers of Kelley applicants this year.

But this also isn’t the point. One of the previous posters framed the issue perfectly — i.e., it’s all about the timing of the change — and students, like the above one with the 3.9 GPA, would have made different college decisions if this revised standard was disclosed upfront.

Bottom line — Kelley admitted too many students overall for this freshman year via direct admit + pre-business, and therefore needs to cut back numbers for standard admissions after freshman year. The easiest way to do this is to change the standard. Kelley also wants to raise the standards for all its future students (to avoid dropping further in several rating systems). Changing the standard moving forward also achieves this objective.

It’s obviously a bad look for Kelley make this change after May 1, but the school just did what was in its best long term interests, at least from a business perspective.

Best of luck everyone.

Well, SAT is also a factor. 1300 is a death sentence for any application. some DAs I know are north of 1450-1500. 1300 could drag the whole application. The whole college application process has become increasingly competitive.

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Anonymous wrote:What kind of dummy can't maintain a 3.3 GPA in undergraduate business classes? Maybe have him skip the fraternity if you're so concerned.

I think you're missing the main issue here. While we could debate whether the GPA threshold should be 3.0, 3.3, or 3.5, that's not really the point. The real problem is the timing. This represents a significant policy change implemented after students had already committed and paid their enrollment deposits.

Some students likely would have made different college decisions if these new requirements had been disclosed upfront. While this doesn't affect my family directly (my child doesn't attend IU), I can understand the frustration these families must be feeling.

When we were evaluating colleges, we carefully researched secondary admission requirements at every school my child considered. These policies absolutely influenced our decision-making process. A change of this magnitude would have prompted us to reach out to other schools where my child had been accepted to explore options.

The issue isn't necessarily the standards themselves, but rather the lack of transparency and poor timing of this policy change.

Everyone is missing the point here. If you are not a DA at Kelley, don’t try to go there unless you are happy with other majors at IU. Kelley is competitive unlike the rest of IU. So if your DC is average and you think he can make Kelley as pre business, you are missing the point. Let us get realistic parents. Kelley requires at least 3.8 HS GPA FYI.

This is factually uncorrect. There are incoming pre-business students with >3.9 GPAs and >1300 SATs who did not meet direct admit standard for direct admission (3.8 GPA and minimum 1370 SAT) and also did not get admitted after the direct admit review was requested based on high GPA and close to the minimum SAT standard.

This is fine and somewhat expected given the historically high numbers of Kelley applicants this year.

But this also isn’t the point. One of the previous posters framed the issue perfectly — i.e., it’s all about the timing of the change — and students, like the above one with the 3.9 GPA, would have made different college decisions if this revised standard was disclosed upfront.

Bottom line — Kelley admitted too many students overall for this freshman year via direct admit + pre-business, and therefore needs to cut back numbers for standard admissions after freshman year. The easiest way to do this is to change the standard. Kelley also wants to raise the standards for all its future students (to avoid dropping further in several rating systems). Changing the standard moving forward also achieves this objective.

It’s obviously a bad look for Kelley make this change after May 1, but the school just did what was in its best long term interests, at least from a business perspective.

Best of luck everyone.

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Anonymous wrote:I'm legitimately considering legal action. DH is a lawyer (civil).

LOL. You’ll get a rude awakening when you realize that graduate programs routinely rescind admission. This is nothing. But do fill us in so we can enjoy the popcorn entertainment!

You sound like an a--hole. Why do you delight in the OP's misfortune?

The initial disappointment and confusion, I can sympathize with. But threatening to sue? Several times. Get real.

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Anonymous wrote:I'm legitimately considering legal action. DH is a lawyer (civil).

LOL. You’ll get a rude awakening when you realize that graduate programs routinely rescind admission. This is nothing. But do fill us in so we can enjoy the popcorn entertainment!

You sound like an a--hole. Why do you delight in the OP's misfortune?

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Anonymous wrote:What kind of dummy can't maintain a 3.3 GPA in undergraduate business classes? Maybe have him skip the fraternity if you're so concerned.

I think you're missing the main issue here. While we could debate whether the GPA threshold should be 3.0, 3.3, or 3.5, that's not really the point. The real problem is the timing. This represents a significant policy change implemented after students had already committed and paid their enrollment deposits.

Some students likely would have made different college decisions if these new requirements had been disclosed upfront. While this doesn't affect my family directly (my child doesn't attend IU), I can understand the frustration these families must be feeling.
When we were evaluating colleges, we carefully researched secondary admission requirements at every school my child considered. These policies absolutely influenced our decision-making process. A change of this magnitude would have prompted us to reach out to other schools where my child had been accepted to explore options.

The issue isn't necessarily the standards themselves, but rather the lack of transparency and poor timing of this policy change.

Everyone is missing the point here. If you are not a DA at Kelley, don’t try to go there unless you are happy with other majors at IU. Kelley is competitive unlike the rest of IU. So if your DC is average and you think he can make Kelley as pre business, you are missing the point. Let us get realistic parents. Kelley requires at least 3.8 HS GPA FYI.

Anonymous wrote:What kind of dummy can't maintain a 3.3 GPA in undergraduate business classes? Maybe have him skip the fraternity if you're so concerned.

I think you're missing the main issue here. While we could debate whether the GPA threshold should be 3.0, 3.3, or 3.5, that's not really the point. The real problem is the timing. This represents a significant policy change implemented after students had already committed and paid their enrollment deposits.

Some students likely would have made different college decisions if these new requirements had been disclosed upfront. While this doesn't affect my family directly (my child doesn't attend IU), I can understand the frustration these families must be feeling.
When we were evaluating colleges, we carefully researched secondary admission requirements at every school my child considered. These policies absolutely influenced our decision-making process. A change of this magnitude would have prompted us to reach out to other schools where my child had been accepted to explore options.

The issue isn't necessarily the standards themselves, but rather the lack of transparency and poor timing of this policy change.

What kind of dummy can't maintain a 3.3 GPA in undergraduate business classes? Maybe have him skip the fraternity if you're so concerned.

Anonymous wrote:OP can your DC take accounting this summer? Not sure if IU allows this course as a transfer credit but I would check. If not still have your DC take accounting this summer as an audit class. That would be the major weed out class and there is huge benefit to going through this material before starting school.

This, plus line up tutors for accounting and math (if needed). And take those second semester once your kid has his feet under him. Maybe even audit accounting in the fall to get a sense of it before actually taking it.