Anonymous
05/23/2025 23:16
Subject: Where does prestige stop?
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Most prestigious:
Harvard, Stanford, MIT, Caltech, Penn, Princeton
Less prestigious:
Yale, Columbia, Hopkins, Chicago, Northwestern
Afterwards:
No prestige
Penn does not belong in that top group. Not even Wharton. Yale has far more prestige.
30 years ago you would have been correct. Now Penn is in the top group.
Penn is on the rise with over 72,000 apps this year. Yale apps went down.
Because every. single. male. wants to be a business bro without particularly caring about the specific job title. And there is no better baldly unapologetically pre-professional place to do that in 2025 than Penn.
Doesn’t even have to be Wharton. Q: Son, what do you think you want to do when you grow up? 17-19 yr old male A: Make bank.
No. The deans have said for the past 4 cycles that Penn Engineering is the hardest school, not wharton, with the most recent acceptance rate around 2.5% and prior to that 3 years of 3-3.5% acceptance rate for Seas. The figure has been quoted many times by faculty at parent events over our 4 yrs and again around grad week. Female applicants to engineering at the top privates including penn is the group that has skyrocketed the past few years, with close to 40% of applicants up from 30% 6-7 years ago. Female engineers prefer the liberal arts options that penn engineering and most of the ivies/ t15 provide. Wharton still gets a lot of apps but it has a higher acceptance rate. And, females are rapidly increased there too.
Anonymous
05/23/2025 21:37
Subject: Where does prestige stop?
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Most prestigious:
Harvard, Stanford, MIT, Caltech, Penn, Princeton
Less prestigious:
Yale, Columbia, Hopkins, Chicago, Northwestern
Afterwards:
No prestige
Penn does not belong in that top group. Not even Wharton. Yale has far more prestige.
30 years ago you would have been correct. Now Penn is in the top group.
Penn is on the rise with over 72,000 apps this year. Yale apps went down.
Because every. single. male. wants to be a business bro without particularly caring about the specific job title. And there is no better baldly unapologetically pre-professional place to do that in 2025 than Penn.
Doesn’t even have to be Wharton. Q: Son, what do you think you want to do when you grow up? 17-19 yr old male A: Make bank.
Speak for yourself. I have three sons, and none want anything to do with being a "business bro."
NP
I’d say there are more Andrew Tate style entrepreneurial aspirants than business bro aspirants. It’s all about drop shipping and scamming now. Business requires too much intellect.
I have no idea what the bolded refers to, but my sons want to use their writing skills to be analysts in various fields - NOT finance. You really need to stop painting all young men with the same brush.
Anonymous
05/23/2025 21:27
Subject: Where does prestige stop?
Anonymous wrote:Back then, people didn't apply to nearly as many schools as they do now, and the applicants were more likely to self-select colleges where they were more likely to be accepted.
When I graduated from high school in the 90s, most kids only applied to the local state university or a community college. It would have been too expensive and time-consuming to apply to grocery list of "reach" colleges when we only had a tiny chance of being accepted.
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Anonymous
05/23/2025 21:25
Subject: Where does prestige stop?
Back then, people didn't apply to nearly as many schools as they do now, and the applicants were more likely to self-select colleges where they were more likely to be accepted.
When I graduated from high school in the 90s, most kids only applied to the local state university or a community college. It would have been too expensive and time-consuming to apply to grocery list of "reach" colleges when we only had a tiny chance of being accepted.
When I graduated from high school in the 90s, most kids only applied to the local state university or a community college. It would have been too expensive and time-consuming to apply to grocery list of "reach" colleges when we only had a tiny chance of being accepted.
Anonymous
05/23/2025 21:24
Subject: Where does prestige stop?
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:A lot also depends on the age of the person. Older people aren't impressed by state schools, unless it is UVA, Berkley or Michigan. People in their 50's probably add Texas, UCLA and UNC to the list.
Regionally, a lot of state schools have a lot of prestige.
DP
Back then, people didn't apply to nearly as many schools as they do now, and the applicants were more likely to self-select colleges where they were more likely to be accepted.
When I graduated from high school in the 90s, most kids only applied to the local state university or a community college. It would have been too expensive and time-consuming to apply to grocery list of "reach" colleges when we only had a tiny chance of being accepted.
Show us on the doll where UCLA hurt you.
The top ranked public for basically the last decade, with the most applications in the U.S. and the lowest acceptance rate of all publics, is only considered on Virginia’s or Michigan’s level by those in their 50s? Feel free to also peep the cross admit data and the comprehensive student rankings when you’re ready to return to reality.
UCLA was pretty easy to get into in the 1980s and 1990s. It was a good school but not prestigious. Berkeley was much better academically.
In 1990, the acceptance rate was 40% for UCLA vs. 37% for Berkeley. Michigan was 52%. UVA was 34%.
Stanford: 15%
Harvard: 15%
Yale: 15%
Princeton: 16%
Dartmouth: 20%
Duke:21%
University of Chicago: 45%
Brown: 20%
Cornell: 29%
MIT: 26%
UNC: 33%
Rice: 30%
Johns Hopkins: 53%
Northwestern: 41%
Columbia:25%
Penn: 35%
UI-UC: 70%
Cal Tech: 28%
USC: 70%
Wisco: 78%
Washu: 62%
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Anonymous
05/23/2025 21:07
Subject: Where does prestige stop?
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Most prestigious:
Harvard, Stanford, MIT, Caltech, Penn, Princeton
Less prestigious:
Yale, Columbia, Hopkins, Chicago, Northwestern
Afterwards:
No prestige
Penn does not belong in that top group. Not even Wharton. Yale has far more prestige.
30 years ago you would have been correct. Now Penn is in the top group.
Penn is on the rise with over 72,000 apps this year. Yale apps went down.
Because every. single. male. wants to be a business bro without particularly caring about the specific job title. And there is no better baldly unapologetically pre-professional place to do that in 2025 than Penn.
Doesn’t even have to be Wharton. Q: Son, what do you think you want to do when you grow up? 17-19 yr old male A: Make bank.
Speak for yourself. I have three sons, and none want anything to do with being a "business bro."
NP
I’d say there are more Andrew Tate style entrepreneurial aspirants than business bro aspirants. It’s all about drop shipping and scamming now. Business requires too much intellect.
Anonymous
05/23/2025 21:07
Subject: Where does prestige stop?
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Most prestigious:
Harvard, Stanford, MIT, Caltech, Penn, Princeton
Less prestigious:
Yale, Columbia, Hopkins, Chicago, Northwestern
Afterwards:
No prestige
Penn does not belong in that top group. Not even Wharton. Yale has far more prestige.
30 years ago you would have been correct. Now Penn is in the top group.
Agree. Smart people like Trump & Elon.
Anonymous
05/23/2025 21:02
Subject: Where does prestige stop?
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Most prestigious:
Harvard, Stanford, MIT, Caltech, Penn, Princeton
Less prestigious:
Yale, Columbia, Hopkins, Chicago, Northwestern
Afterwards:
No prestige
Penn does not belong in that top group. Not even Wharton. Yale has far more prestige.
Penn is below Uchicago, Hopkins and Yale for sure…
Penn belongs in group w / Columbia
Nope. Penn is academically superior. #1 undergrad business but also top tier across undergrad programs. In addition, their business school is #1 for MBA, law school #5, and medical schools top #3 (no longer ranked but almost always top 2-3 in past decade).
Penn’s closest rival is Harvard when you really dig into it.
If you have to "really dig into it"...maybe Penn doesn't have the same prestige as HYPSM.
The sophisticated already know that Penn has surpassed Yale. That was a polite way of telling the uninformed to look it up. Penn excels at STEM, business, law, and medicine, things people care about. If you want to study art history, go to Yale.
I’m pretty sure sophisticated people appreciate Art History more than Business.
Anonymous
05/23/2025 21:01
Subject: Where does prestige stop?
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Most prestigious:
Harvard, Stanford, MIT, Caltech, Penn, Princeton
Less prestigious:
Yale, Columbia, Hopkins, Chicago, Northwestern
Afterwards:
No prestige
Penn does not belong in that top group. Not even Wharton. Yale has far more prestige.
30 years ago you would have been correct. Now Penn is in the top group.
Penn is on the rise with over 72,000 apps this year. Yale apps went down.
Because every. single. male. wants to be a business bro without particularly caring about the specific job title. And there is no better baldly unapologetically pre-professional place to do that in 2025 than Penn.
Doesn’t even have to be Wharton. Q: Son, what do you think you want to do when you grow up? 17-19 yr old male A: Make bank.
Speak for yourself. I have three sons, and none want anything to do with being a "business bro."
NP
Anonymous
05/23/2025 20:56
Subject: Re:Where does prestige stop?
Anonymous wrote:so silly. it stops right after the lowest ranked school my kids attend.
It skips a bunch of the way down, because many schools above mine manipulate their rankings!
Anonymous
05/23/2025 20:54
Subject: Where does prestige stop?
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Most prestigious:
Harvard, Stanford, MIT, Caltech, Penn, Princeton
Less prestigious:
Yale, Columbia, Hopkins, Chicago, Northwestern
Afterwards:
No prestige
Penn does not belong in that top group. Not even Wharton. Yale has far more prestige.
Penn is below Uchicago, Hopkins and Yale for sure…
Penn belongs in group w / Columbia
Nope. Penn is academically superior. #1 undergrad business but also top tier across undergrad programs. In addition, their business school is #1 for MBA, law school #5, and medical schools top #3 (no longer ranked but almost always top 2-3 in past decade).
Penn’s closest rival is Harvard when you really dig into it.
If you have to "really dig into it"...maybe Penn doesn't have the same prestige as HYPSM.
The sophisticated already know that Penn has surpassed Yale. That was a polite way of telling the uninformed to look it up. Penn excels at STEM, business, law, and medicine, things people care about. If you want to study art history, go to Yale.
Elon Musk and Donald Trump went to Penn. Who could ask for more?
Anonymous
05/23/2025 20:52
Subject: Where does prestige stop?
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Most prestigious:
Harvard, Stanford, MIT, Caltech, Penn, Princeton
Less prestigious:
Yale, Columbia, Hopkins, Chicago, Northwestern
Afterwards:
No prestige
Penn does not belong in that top group. Not even Wharton. Yale has far more prestige.
Penn is below Uchicago, Hopkins and Yale for sure…
Penn belongs in group w / Columbia
Nope. Penn is academically superior. #1 undergrad business but also top tier across undergrad programs. In addition, their business school is #1 for MBA, law school #5, and medical schools top #3 (no longer ranked but almost always top 2-3 in past decade).
Penn’s closest rival is Harvard when you really dig into it.
If you have to "really dig into it"...maybe Penn doesn't have the same prestige as HYPSM.
The sophisticated already know that Penn has surpassed Yale. That was a polite way of telling the uninformed to look it up. Penn excels at STEM, business, law, and medicine, things people care about. If you want to study art history, go to Yale.
Why do people who get into both Penn and Yale usually pick Yale?
Anyone applying to Yale is probably not interested in STEM or business. Yale only excels at Law. It is a self selecting group that would apply to Yale in the first place.
Anonymous
05/23/2025 20:48
Subject: Where does prestige stop?
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Most prestigious:
Harvard, Stanford, MIT, Caltech, Penn, Princeton
Less prestigious:
Yale, Columbia, Hopkins, Chicago, Northwestern
Afterwards:
No prestige
Penn does not belong in that top group. Not even Wharton. Yale has far more prestige.
Penn is below Uchicago, Hopkins and Yale for sure…
Penn belongs in group w / Columbia
Nope. Penn is academically superior. #1 undergrad business but also top tier across undergrad programs. In addition, their business school is #1 for MBA, law school #5, and medical schools top #3 (no longer ranked but almost always top 2-3 in past decade).
Penn’s closest rival is Harvard when you really dig into it.
If you have to "really dig into it"...maybe Penn doesn't have the same prestige as HYPSM.
The sophisticated already know that Penn has surpassed Yale. That was a polite way of telling the uninformed to look it up. Penn excels at STEM, business, law, and medicine, things people care about. If you want to study art history, go to Yale.
Why do people who get into both Penn and Yale usually pick Yale?
Anonymous
05/23/2025 20:24
Subject: Where does prestige stop?
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Most prestigious:
Harvard, Stanford, MIT, Caltech, Penn, Princeton
Less prestigious:
Yale, Columbia, Hopkins, Chicago, Northwestern
Afterwards:
No prestige
Penn does not belong in that top group. Not even Wharton. Yale has far more prestige.
Penn is below Uchicago, Hopkins and Yale for sure…
Penn belongs in group w / Columbia
Nope. Penn is academically superior. #1 undergrad business but also top tier across undergrad programs. In addition, their business school is #1 for MBA, law school #5, and medical schools top #3 (no longer ranked but almost always top 2-3 in past decade).
Penn’s closest rival is Harvard when you really dig into it.
If you have to "really dig into it"...maybe Penn doesn't have the same prestige as HYPSM.
The sophisticated already know that Penn has surpassed Yale. That was a polite way of telling the uninformed to look it up. Penn excels at STEM, business, law, and medicine, things people care about. If you want to study art history, go to Yale.
Anonymous
05/23/2025 20:12
Subject: Where does prestige stop?
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Most prestigious:
Harvard, Stanford, MIT, Caltech, Penn, Princeton
Less prestigious:
Yale, Columbia, Hopkins, Chicago, Northwestern
Afterwards:
No prestige
Penn does not belong in that top group. Not even Wharton. Yale has far more prestige.
30 years ago you would have been correct. Now Penn is in the top group.
Penn is on the rise with over 72,000 apps this year. Yale apps went down.
Because every. single. male. wants to be a business bro without particularly caring about the specific job title. And there is no better baldly unapologetically pre-professional place to do that in 2025 than Penn.
Doesn’t even have to be Wharton. Q: Son, what do you think you want to do when you grow up? 17-19 yr old male A: Make bank.
Not my son at Penn. Wants to be an academic. Not in Wharton though.
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