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Anonymous wrote:Our society asks too much of women in trying to say they can have it all (a career and being all-everything mom). This is because not enough men step up to do more female roles at home.

Who gives a rats behind what society says? Who are these people saying what you have to be in life anyways?

As far as I can see, in society you are only expected to 1) find a way to earn income to to sustain yourself, and 2) take care of those who you brought into this world. That's it. If you want to be a doctor or a housewife, you're free to make that choice provided you can cover those 2 items with your arrangement.

I've never met a man who wants to be a nurse or work at a daycare, but wont because of society holding them down. I've never met a woman who wants to fix cars but won't because of society either. The society blame is such a cop out. People do what they want provided they have 1) time and 2) money to pursue it. Same goes for coaching. It takes time, training, and commitment, meanwhile you are constantly dealing with whiny parents who complain about everything you do. Maybe that's just something that doesn't appeal to women as much as men, like working on an oil rig or in a coal mine.

Important part here is “As far as I can see”. Just because you don’t see things happening or it’s not your experience doesn’t mean they aren’t happening. You are obviously a man and not part of a marginalized group. There are many people who are pushed toward or discouraged from doing all sorts of things by society.

Yes I have been told this for years with no examples to back it up. What marginalized groups are being discouraged by society and how so? And also please make sure to include discouragement that is happening by people outside of that same group.

The examples are everywhere you just don’t want to see them. In so many fields there is nothing close to proper representation. CEO’s and board members, medicine, bankers, law makers, venture capital investments. If there were no barriers then we would see representation close to the population of those groups. There should be close to 50% of CEO’s and board members as women, 12% black, etc. Unless you believe these groups are inferior or less capable, there has to be something societal, some kind of barrier even if it isn’t overt or intentional.

None of this is evidence that SOCIETY is discouraging them. First off, there is a mountain of evidence that males and females have biological differences that do impact behavior and life choices in a major way. Second, there are also cultural differences that affect behavior and life choices of other ethnicities and so on. What one's specific culture does is not a reflection of society at large since we are a melting pot of many cultures. The western American culture that most are familiar with does NOT discourage people from seeking opportunities regardless of their gender, race, or ethnicity. Where is your proof or examples of active discouragement BY SOCIETY?

There's plenty of evidence in this thread, starting with the comment about early in the thread barefoot and pregnant.

What are you saying, that women make life decisions based on a few opinions on a message board?!?

No it's representative of a sentiment of many in our society that LIMITS what some believe women can achieve or what roles they could have based on gender stereotyping. It's only in the last 100 years that women became more empowered via the right to vote and have additional control over when they had children via birth control and abortion. Heck, it wasn't even 50 years ago before women had certain financial rights, like having their own credit card OR even fight for their country as a soldier. Even now, there's the biggest push since many of these reforms were achieved to undo them.

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Anonymous wrote:Our society asks too much of women in trying to say they can have it all (a career and being all-everything mom). This is because not enough men step up to do more female roles at home.

Who gives a rats behind what society says? Who are these people saying what you have to be in life anyways?

As far as I can see, in society you are only expected to 1) find a way to earn income to to sustain yourself, and 2) take care of those who you brought into this world. That's it. If you want to be a doctor or a housewife, you're free to make that choice provided you can cover those 2 items with your arrangement.

I've never met a man who wants to be a nurse or work at a daycare, but wont because of society holding them down. I've never met a woman who wants to fix cars but won't because of society either. The society blame is such a cop out. People do what they want provided they have 1) time and 2) money to pursue it. Same goes for coaching. It takes time, training, and commitment, meanwhile you are constantly dealing with whiny parents who complain about everything you do. Maybe that's just something that doesn't appeal to women as much as men, like working on an oil rig or in a coal mine.

Important part here is “As far as I can see”. Just because you don’t see things happening or it’s not your experience doesn’t mean they aren’t happening. You are obviously a man and not part of a marginalized group. There are many people who are pushed toward or discouraged from doing all sorts of things by society.

Yes I have been told this for years with no examples to back it up. What marginalized groups are being discouraged by society and how so? And also please make sure to include discouragement that is happening by people outside of that same group.

The examples are everywhere you just don’t want to see them. In so many fields there is nothing close to proper representation. CEO’s and board members, medicine, bankers, law makers, venture capital investments. If there were no barriers then we would see representation close to the population of those groups. There should be close to 50% of CEO’s and board members as women, 12% black, etc. Unless you believe these groups are inferior or less capable, there has to be something societal, some kind of barrier even if it isn’t overt or intentional.

None of this is evidence that SOCIETY is discouraging them. First off, there is a mountain of evidence that males and females have biological differences that do impact behavior and life choices in a major way. Second, there are also cultural differences that affect behavior and life choices of other ethnicities and so on. What one's specific culture does is not a reflection of society at large since we are a melting pot of many cultures. The western American culture that most are familiar with does NOT discourage people from seeking opportunities regardless of their gender, race, or ethnicity. Where is your proof or examples of active discouragement BY SOCIETY?

Good discussion here ... https://www.womenssoccercoaching.com/coaching-advice/does-coaching-have-a-women-problem ... including:

"...Across youth sports in America, fewer than 10 per cent are headed up by women coaches, and at high school and university, most women’s teams are coached by men.

Ironically, the decline arguably started with Title IX, the pioneering legislation passed in the US in 1972 that protected people from gender-based discrimination and helped bring droves of girls into sports.

But with more collegiate dollars now devoted to women’s sports, men suddenly lobbied for and secured the coaching jobs that women once held. This meant that, as more girls played, fewer women coached.

Nicole LaVoi - a sports scholar and leader in the movement to promote women coaches - blames discrimination in hiring, pay imbalances, pressure, tokenism, and gender bias to explain why more men now coach women’s collegiate teams.

But this gender gap persists even in youth leagues, where most coaches are volunteers. One survey found that women admitted eschewing coaching because of its time demands, doubts about their skills, and worry about the impact on their family."

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Anonymous wrote:Our society asks too much of women in trying to say they can have it all (a career and being all-everything mom). This is because not enough men step up to do more female roles at home.

Who gives a rats behind what society says? Who are these people saying what you have to be in life anyways?

As far as I can see, in society you are only expected to 1) find a way to earn income to to sustain yourself, and 2) take care of those who you brought into this world. That's it. If you want to be a doctor or a housewife, you're free to make that choice provided you can cover those 2 items with your arrangement.

I've never met a man who wants to be a nurse or work at a daycare, but wont because of society holding them down. I've never met a woman who wants to fix cars but won't because of society either. The society blame is such a cop out. People do what they want provided they have 1) time and 2) money to pursue it. Same goes for coaching. It takes time, training, and commitment, meanwhile you are constantly dealing with whiny parents who complain about everything you do. Maybe that's just something that doesn't appeal to women as much as men, like working on an oil rig or in a coal mine.

Important part here is “As far as I can see”. Just because you don’t see things happening or it’s not your experience doesn’t mean they aren’t happening. You are obviously a man and not part of a marginalized group. There are many people who are pushed toward or discouraged from doing all sorts of things by society.

Yes I have been told this for years with no examples to back it up. What marginalized groups are being discouraged by society and how so? And also please make sure to include discouragement that is happening by people outside of that same group.

The examples are everywhere you just don’t want to see them. In so many fields there is nothing close to proper representation. CEO’s and board members, medicine, bankers, law makers, venture capital investments. If there were no barriers then we would see representation close to the population of those groups. There should be close to 50% of CEO’s and board members as women, 12% black, etc. Unless you believe these groups are inferior or less capable, there has to be something societal, some kind of barrier even if it isn’t overt or intentional.

None of this is evidence that SOCIETY is discouraging them. First off, there is a mountain of evidence that males and females have biological differences that do impact behavior and life choices in a major way. Second, there are also cultural differences that affect behavior and life choices of other ethnicities and so on. What one's specific culture does is not a reflection of society at large since we are a melting pot of many cultures. The western American culture that most are familiar with does NOT discourage people from seeking opportunities regardless of their gender, race, or ethnicity. Where is your proof or examples of active discouragement BY SOCIETY?

There's plenty of evidence in this thread, starting with the comment about early in the thread barefoot and pregnant.

What are you saying, that women make life decisions based on a few opinions on a message board?!?

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Anonymous wrote:Our society asks too much of women in trying to say they can have it all (a career and being all-everything mom). This is because not enough men step up to do more female roles at home.

Who gives a rats behind what society says? Who are these people saying what you have to be in life anyways?

As far as I can see, in society you are only expected to 1) find a way to earn income to to sustain yourself, and 2) take care of those who you brought into this world. That's it. If you want to be a doctor or a housewife, you're free to make that choice provided you can cover those 2 items with your arrangement.

I've never met a man who wants to be a nurse or work at a daycare, but wont because of society holding them down. I've never met a woman who wants to fix cars but won't because of society either. The society blame is such a cop out. People do what they want provided they have 1) time and 2) money to pursue it. Same goes for coaching. It takes time, training, and commitment, meanwhile you are constantly dealing with whiny parents who complain about everything you do. Maybe that's just something that doesn't appeal to women as much as men, like working on an oil rig or in a coal mine.

Important part here is “As far as I can see”. Just because you don’t see things happening or it’s not your experience doesn’t mean they aren’t happening. You are obviously a man and not part of a marginalized group. There are many people who are pushed toward or discouraged from doing all sorts of things by society.

Yes I have been told this for years with no examples to back it up. What marginalized groups are being discouraged by society and how so? And also please make sure to include discouragement that is happening by people outside of that same group.

The examples are everywhere you just don’t want to see them. In so many fields there is nothing close to proper representation. CEO’s and board members, medicine, bankers, law makers, venture capital investments. If there were no barriers then we would see representation close to the population of those groups. There should be close to 50% of CEO’s and board members as women, 12% black, etc. Unless you believe these groups are inferior or less capable, there has to be something societal, some kind of barrier even if it isn’t overt or intentional.

None of this is evidence that SOCIETY is discouraging them. First off, there is a mountain of evidence that males and females have biological differences that do impact behavior and life choices in a major way. Second, there are also cultural differences that affect behavior and life choices of other ethnicities and so on. What one's specific culture does is not a reflection of society at large since we are a melting pot of many cultures. The western American culture that most are familiar with does NOT discourage people from seeking opportunities regardless of their gender, race, or ethnicity. Where is your proof or examples of active discouragement BY SOCIETY?

That’s such a bogus take. I’m not talking about construction workers or nursing where women might make different choices. I’m talking about positions of power. Business leaders. High school principals. Science, engineering, math fields. Judges. These are not life choices or cultural or biological differences. It’s not overt discouragement but negative stereotypes, unconscious bias, lack of mentorship, etc. that work against under represented groups. Why are there so few women and black people in high paying STEM fields? Sometimes not feeling welcome is discouragement enough.

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Anonymous wrote:Our society asks too much of women in trying to say they can have it all (a career and being all-everything mom). This is because not enough men step up to do more female roles at home.

Who gives a rats behind what society says? Who are these people saying what you have to be in life anyways?

As far as I can see, in society you are only expected to 1) find a way to earn income to to sustain yourself, and 2) take care of those who you brought into this world. That's it. If you want to be a doctor or a housewife, you're free to make that choice provided you can cover those 2 items with your arrangement.

I've never met a man who wants to be a nurse or work at a daycare, but wont because of society holding them down. I've never met a woman who wants to fix cars but won't because of society either. The society blame is such a cop out. People do what they want provided they have 1) time and 2) money to pursue it. Same goes for coaching. It takes time, training, and commitment, meanwhile you are constantly dealing with whiny parents who complain about everything you do. Maybe that's just something that doesn't appeal to women as much as men, like working on an oil rig or in a coal mine.

Important part here is “As far as I can see”. Just because you don’t see things happening or it’s not your experience doesn’t mean they aren’t happening. You are obviously a man and not part of a marginalized group. There are many people who are pushed toward or discouraged from doing all sorts of things by society.

Yes I have been told this for years with no examples to back it up. What marginalized groups are being discouraged by society and how so? And also please make sure to include discouragement that is happening by people outside of that same group.

The examples are everywhere you just don’t want to see them. In so many fields there is nothing close to proper representation. CEO’s and board members, medicine, bankers, law makers, venture capital investments. If there were no barriers then we would see representation close to the population of those groups. There should be close to 50% of CEO’s and board members as women, 12% black, etc. Unless you believe these groups are inferior or less capable, there has to be something societal, some kind of barrier even if it isn’t overt or intentional.

None of this is evidence that SOCIETY is discouraging them. First off, there is a mountain of evidence that males and females have biological differences that do impact behavior and life choices in a major way. Second, there are also cultural differences that affect behavior and life choices of other ethnicities and so on. What one's specific culture does is not a reflection of society at large since we are a melting pot of many cultures. The western American culture that most are familiar with does NOT discourage people from seeking opportunities regardless of their gender, race, or ethnicity. Where is your proof or examples of active discouragement BY SOCIETY?

There's plenty of evidence in this thread, starting with the comment about early in the thread barefoot and pregnant.

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Anonymous wrote:Our society asks too much of women in trying to say they can have it all (a career and being all-everything mom). This is because not enough men step up to do more female roles at home.

Who gives a rats behind what society says? Who are these people saying what you have to be in life anyways?

As far as I can see, in society you are only expected to 1) find a way to earn income to to sustain yourself, and 2) take care of those who you brought into this world. That's it. If you want to be a doctor or a housewife, you're free to make that choice provided you can cover those 2 items with your arrangement.

I've never met a man who wants to be a nurse or work at a daycare, but wont because of society holding them down. I've never met a woman who wants to fix cars but won't because of society either. The society blame is such a cop out. People do what they want provided they have 1) time and 2) money to pursue it. Same goes for coaching. It takes time, training, and commitment, meanwhile you are constantly dealing with whiny parents who complain about everything you do. Maybe that's just something that doesn't appeal to women as much as men, like working on an oil rig or in a coal mine.

Important part here is “As far as I can see”. Just because you don’t see things happening or it’s not your experience doesn’t mean they aren’t happening. You are obviously a man and not part of a marginalized group. There are many people who are pushed toward or discouraged from doing all sorts of things by society.

Yes I have been told this for years with no examples to back it up. What marginalized groups are being discouraged by society and how so? And also please make sure to include discouragement that is happening by people outside of that same group.

The examples are everywhere you just don’t want to see them. In so many fields there is nothing close to proper representation. CEO’s and board members, medicine, bankers, law makers, venture capital investments. If there were no barriers then we would see representation close to the population of those groups. There should be close to 50% of CEO’s and board members as women, 12% black, etc. Unless you believe these groups are inferior or less capable, there has to be something societal, some kind of barrier even if it isn’t overt or intentional.

None of this is evidence that SOCIETY is discouraging them. First off, there is a mountain of evidence that males and females have biological differences that do impact behavior and life choices in a major way. Second, there are also cultural differences that affect behavior and life choices of other ethnicities and so on. What one's specific culture does is not a reflection of society at large since we are a melting pot of many cultures. The western American culture that most are familiar with does NOT discourage people from seeking opportunities regardless of their gender, race, or ethnicity. Where is your proof or examples of active discouragement BY SOCIETY?

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Anonymous wrote:Our society asks too much of women in trying to say they can have it all (a career and being all-everything mom). This is because not enough men step up to do more female roles at home.

Who gives a rats behind what society says? Who are these people saying what you have to be in life anyways?

As far as I can see, in society you are only expected to 1) find a way to earn income to to sustain yourself, and 2) take care of those who you brought into this world. That's it. If you want to be a doctor or a housewife, you're free to make that choice provided you can cover those 2 items with your arrangement.

I've never met a man who wants to be a nurse or work at a daycare, but wont because of society holding them down. I've never met a woman who wants to fix cars but won't because of society either. The society blame is such a cop out. People do what they want provided they have 1) time and 2) money to pursue it. Same goes for coaching. It takes time, training, and commitment, meanwhile you are constantly dealing with whiny parents who complain about everything you do. Maybe that's just something that doesn't appeal to women as much as men, like working on an oil rig or in a coal mine.

Important part here is “As far as I can see”. Just because you don’t see things happening or it’s not your experience doesn’t mean they aren’t happening. You are obviously a man and not part of a marginalized group. There are many people who are pushed toward or discouraged from doing all sorts of things by society.

Yes I have been told this for years with no examples to back it up. What marginalized groups are being discouraged by society and how so? And also please make sure to include discouragement that is happening by people outside of that same group.

The examples are everywhere you just don’t want to see them. In so many fields there is nothing close to proper representation. CEO’s and board members, medicine, bankers, law makers, venture capital investments. If there were no barriers then we would see representation close to the population of those groups. There should be close to 50% of CEO’s and board members as women, 12% black, etc. Unless you believe these groups are inferior or less capable, there has to be something societal, some kind of barrier even if it isn’t overt or intentional.

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Anonymous wrote:Our society asks too much of women in trying to say they can have it all (a career and being all-everything mom). This is because not enough men step up to do more female roles at home.

Who gives a rats behind what society says? Who are these people saying what you have to be in life anyways?

As far as I can see, in society you are only expected to 1) find a way to earn income to to sustain yourself, and 2) take care of those who you brought into this world. That's it. If you want to be a doctor or a housewife, you're free to make that choice provided you can cover those 2 items with your arrangement.

I've never met a man who wants to be a nurse or work at a daycare, but wont because of society holding them down. I've never met a woman who wants to fix cars but won't because of society either. The society blame is such a cop out. People do what they want provided they have 1) time and 2) money to pursue it. Same goes for coaching. It takes time, training, and commitment, meanwhile you are constantly dealing with whiny parents who complain about everything you do. Maybe that's just something that doesn't appeal to women as much as men, like working on an oil rig or in a coal mine.

Important part here is “As far as I can see”. Just because you don’t see things happening or it’s not your experience doesn’t mean they aren’t happening. You are obviously a man and not part of a marginalized group. There are many people who are pushed toward or discouraged from doing all sorts of things by society.

Yes I have been told this for years with no examples to back it up. What marginalized groups are being discouraged by society and how so? And also please make sure to include discouragement that is happening by people outside of that same group.

Anonymous wrote:It is not a panacea. The worst coach my DD had was a female coach. She absolutely the worst -demeaning, destroying confidence, personal attacks, etc. This was for u10.

Reminds me of the coach VRSC hired for my DD and her teammates… Liz P from Shenandoah U. Brough in as a panacea and the glorification of female coaches… she was somehow also named director of college placement. LOL what a joke. She was frequently late to practices and made only one game in the whole season cause *surprise* she was “too busy” for daisies and princesses as she disparagingly would call her youth players that she was in charge of and paid for handsomely.

Lasted a year. Revolving doors. No pun intended. Destroyed my DD’s morale and ultimately made her quit the sport because the love of the game was stolen from her thanks to an organization looking for the next quick flashy fix. I hate how it’s a business in our country and not about the children and their growth. Absolutely despise the status quo. I’m a woman before you jump to conclusions or ask someone to erase my experience from this board (I noticed an uptick in deletion of messages) I will post again if that happens.

It is not a panacea. The worst coach my DD had was a female coach. She absolutely the worst -demeaning, destroying confidence, personal attacks, etc. This was for u10.

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Anonymous wrote:Our society asks too much of women in trying to say they can have it all (a career and being all-everything mom). This is because not enough men step up to do more female roles at home.

Who gives a rats behind what society says? Who are these people saying what you have to be in life anyways?

As far as I can see, in society you are only expected to 1) find a way to earn income to to sustain yourself, and 2) take care of those who you brought into this world. That's it. If you want to be a doctor or a housewife, you're free to make that choice provided you can cover those 2 items with your arrangement.

I've never met a man who wants to be a nurse or work at a daycare, but wont because of society holding them down. I've never met a woman who wants to fix cars but won't because of society either. The society blame is such a cop out. People do what they want provided they have 1) time and 2) money to pursue it. Same goes for coaching. It takes time, training, and commitment, meanwhile you are constantly dealing with whiny parents who complain about everything you do. Maybe that's just something that doesn't appeal to women as much as men, like working on an oil rig or in a coal mine.

male nurses is interesting. At first it was men that came out of the military. But now there are growing numbers in nursing schools.

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In response to someone implying male coaches are preferred, I posted that there are probably less female coaches simply because there are probably less female applicants. Then the arguments turn to there are probably less female applicants due to some perceived (but not clarified and unspecified) unequal treatment at workplace, incompetent hiring managers, men not stepping up to take on responsibilities at home, and women have too many responsibilities.

Seems like less applicants is still the answer for why there are less coaches. All those other arguments are just trying to figure out why there are less and those cannot be proved.

I have no doubt that there are fewer female applicants.

But if clubs do nothing to seek them out, they bear some of the responsibility for the status quo.

Where would they find them? There are less females going into coaching. There is a reason for that. Because of our system girls soccer is heavily MC and UMC or just rich. Many of those girls have the smarts and the connections to get great jobs after pursuing and getting real college degrees. Moreover being a soccer coach is not an acceptable job from this group. Boys soccer does not have this and trends LMC or lower.

One bright spot for new women coaches. If the trend of not going to college but straight to the pros keeps going, there will be a robust group of women with no education and no options after soccer ends so they may be free for coaching.

Why is this surprising? Sports in general, whether it’s youth or adult, players or coaches, continues to be male-dominated the world over. Are you new to club soccer or just youth sports in general?

Not saying it’s a GOOD thing, of course.

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In response to someone implying male coaches are preferred, I posted that there are probably less female coaches simply because there are probably less female applicants. Then the arguments turn to there are probably less female applicants due to some perceived (but not clarified and unspecified) unequal treatment at workplace, incompetent hiring managers, men not stepping up to take on responsibilities at home, and women have too many responsibilities.

Seems like less applicants is still the answer for why there are less coaches. All those other arguments are just trying to figure out why there are less and those cannot be proved.

I have no doubt that there are fewer female applicants.

But if clubs do nothing to seek them out, they bear some of the responsibility for the status quo.

In response to someone implying male coaches are preferred, I posted that there are probably less female coaches simply because there are probably less female applicants. Then the arguments turn to there are probably less female applicants due to some perceived (but not clarified and unspecified) unequal treatment at workplace, incompetent hiring managers, men not stepping up to take on responsibilities at home, and women have too many responsibilities.

Seems like less applicants is still the answer for why there are less coaches. All those other arguments are just trying to figure out why there are less and those cannot be proved.