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Anonymous wrote:I watched both. This is silly - Malia didn't steal from this woman's film. Black girls playing patty cake sitting on the steps is in several films.

Are we talking about this commercial? Because I see kids playing hand games standing on a playground, on a bus, and on a pew.

I would say that the scene in Grace (which is a beautiful film by the way) is much more derivative of the scene in Color Purple than the commercial is derivative of the scene in Grace.

Can you link the scene in Color Purple you are referring to? One article linked to one and Grace and the Nike ad were way more similar. I agree that Grace is a beautiful film.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xTy9unR5Fos

Can you tell me tell me whether I have the right commercial, and if so which point you think is so similar? Because I don't even see a porch, so I wonder what I'm missing.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TpVEoYjmZps

I agree. The first one (Grace?) reminds me very much of the bit from The Color Purple. The Nike commercial doesn’t remind me of the Grace bit or of The Color Purple. As others have said, children — particularly Black girls —playing hand clap games is evocative of a certain culture, and perhaps a certain time. I wrote a paper on hand clap games and rhymes decades ago, when I learned that this was an aspect of culture and community that not all of my peers in college shared.

If this is all there is, I don’t see anything approaching plagiarism on Malia’s part. If anything, I think that Harris is using this opportunity to promote her own work. We now know her name. She’s getting her 15 minutes at Malia’s expense— and that will follow her.

I don't think hand clap games are unique by skin color.

I grew up as the only minority in a very white lower working class town. ALL of the little girls played hand clap games. For us, it was "Bo bo ski otten totten" along with the standard game of Down Down Baby.

Except for my family, it was all white girls playing the hand games. It was pre internet days, so it is not like they picked the hand games up on tiktok.

Maybe the hand games are more of a class thing than a race thing.

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Anonymous wrote:It is incredibly easy to come up with a similar idea to someone else's, in any form of art, because in essence everything has already been thought of. And with the volume of content being created, it's impossible to check one's work against every single existing piece of work.

Hence why there will always be accusations of cheating, especially ones targeted towards famous people, because they will be more vulnerable to negative press.

This is a ridiculous charge, given the innocuous similarities; and the target being a President's daughter makes me think it was intentionally fabricated, instead of being merely a good faith accusation.

This.

I published a nonfiction book (with a major publisher) and used lines from a particular poem about the topic as the epigraph in the front of the book.

After it was published, I was contacted by someone who had self-published on the same subject, and used the same epigraph.

He accused me of plagiarism, and there was no real way for me to prove that I hadn't copied him (even though it's awfully unlikely I could have stumbled across a copy of his book if I'd tried).

The difference is, the creator reports she met Malia at the event where Grace was shown. Also, the beauty of the Obama message was about equity, a brighter future for those less privileged, the rick don't need to keep getting richer, etc. Now they are the privileged class by a landslide. A hardworking young black woman work may have provided significant inspiration for the work of their daughter, who went to the best and most expensive schools. Even if it does not meet standards for plagiarism and even the creator herself doesn't know if it crosses the line, shouldn't she get some credit for her work. This isn't about patty cake. Look the video where the 2 are played at the same time. It's about director choices.

+1. But we're arguing with bots and shills. All of these posts defending Malia all across the internet are the same.

I think you are onto something. There are so many logical fallacies used in the defense, it would be a good exercise for a middle school class about what not to do in debate. My favorite red herring/distraction was throwing Elmo into the mix. You can say this isn't about patty-cake until you are blue in the face, but they will still bring up the game and The Color Purple.

Michelle Obama seems to me like she is all about integrity, honesty and doing the right thing so hopefully she will guide her daughter to do something good with this that helps those less fortunate. Perhaps something that helps the person who likely inspired Malia's work and also perhaps those truly struggling (by donating a large portion of what she made directing the commercial. I would hate to find out so many of those brilliant speeches and interviews about salt of the earth values/parenting, etc are talking the talk without walking the walk.

Anonymous wrote:So basically, the woman accusing Malia of plagiarizing is admitting that she too plagiarized her work. I grew up playing "Miss Mary Mack, Mack all dressed in black, black, black . . . ." I also saw the same artistic scene in Steven Spielberg's 1985 film production of Toni Morrison's "The Color Purple". So did she plagiarize Spielberg's work or is this something that young girls have played for decades. I am 62, so the hand game has been around long before my arrival on earth. There really are very few things that are new under the sun and all we are getting is regurgitation wrapped up in similar packages. Everybody is a plagiarist, including this young woman. Next.

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Anonymous wrote:I mean, I think it is much more likely that these scenes are rooted in a similar background and culture. If I directed a scene, and someone else from the same cultural background directed a scene, we might pull from the same cultural tropes. Maybe we both set it in a summer kitchen making pierogies with our grandmothers. It pulls from a shared history, which is going to lead to similarities in content.

I don't know anything about the director, but Malia Obama is from the wealthiest, most privileged culture on the planet and did likely did not have one similar life experience growing up to the woman who directed Grace. It is laughable to say they had a shared history. Mahlia's shared history is more similar to the richest white upper echelon kids you know, and the director's share history is likely much more similar to your average middle class kid of any color.

So basically, the woman accusing Malia of plagiarizing is admitting that she too plagiarized her work. I grew up playing "Miss Mary Mack, Mack all dressed in black, black, black . . . ." I also saw the same artistic scene in Steven Spielberg's 1985 film production of Toni Morrison's "The Color Purple". So did she plagiarize Spielberg's work or is this something that young girls have played for decades. I am 62, so the hand game has been around long before my arrival on earth. There really are very few things that are new under the sun and all we are getting is regurgitation wrapped up in similar packages. Everybody is a plagiarist, including this young woman. Next.

Nepo story. Not newsworthy.

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Anonymous wrote:It is incredibly easy to come up with a similar idea to someone else's, in any form of art, because in essence everything has already been thought of. And with the volume of content being created, it's impossible to check one's work against every single existing piece of work.

Hence why there will always be accusations of cheating, especially ones targeted towards famous people, because they will be more vulnerable to negative press.

This is a ridiculous charge, given the innocuous similarities; and the target being a President's daughter makes me think it was intentionally fabricated, instead of being merely a good faith accusation.

This.

I published a nonfiction book (with a major publisher) and used lines from a particular poem about the topic as the epigraph in the front of the book.

After it was published, I was contacted by someone who had self-published on the same subject, and used the same epigraph.

He accused me of plagiarism, and there was no real way for me to prove that I hadn't copied him (even though it's awfully unlikely I could have stumbled across a copy of his book if I'd tried).

This is nothing like what Malia is accused of. Malia was literally at the obscure film's premier screening at Sundance last year. She was in the audience and ripped it off right after. It's not like this was a screening a decade ago and now it's in a commercial. It was literally right after she saw the obscure independent film.

This is a big deal about nothing. Just think about how similar a lot of fashion photography is across many, many photographers. Lots of pouty chicks with the same ridiculous poses clutching a handbag in the same lackadaisical way. Somebody up above called the clipped scenes "mini tropes". I agree with that. The works look a lot further apart when you ignore the edit done by the self-interested person.

Oh and by the way, I'm not a bot or a shill. I'm an ordinary DCUM reader with an opinion and no connection to any of the affected parties.

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Anonymous wrote:It is incredibly easy to come up with a similar idea to someone else's, in any form of art, because in essence everything has already been thought of. And with the volume of content being created, it's impossible to check one's work against every single existing piece of work.

Hence why there will always be accusations of cheating, especially ones targeted towards famous people, because they will be more vulnerable to negative press.

This is a ridiculous charge, given the innocuous similarities; and the target being a President's daughter makes me think it was intentionally fabricated, instead of being merely a good faith accusation.

This.

I published a nonfiction book (with a major publisher) and used lines from a particular poem about the topic as the epigraph in the front of the book.

After it was published, I was contacted by someone who had self-published on the same subject, and used the same epigraph.

He accused me of plagiarism, and there was no real way for me to prove that I hadn't copied him (even though it's awfully unlikely I could have stumbled across a copy of his book if I'd tried).

This is nothing like what Malia is accused of. Malia was literally at the obscure film's premier screening at Sundance last year. She was in the audience and ripped it off right after. It's not like this was a screening a decade ago and now it's in a commercial. It was literally right after she saw the obscure independent film.

You think girls playing patty cake is that original that no one else came up with they before or since? Please. But the filmmaker has everyone talking about her, so she gets fame out of accusing an Obama.

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Anonymous wrote:It is incredibly easy to come up with a similar idea to someone else's, in any form of art, because in essence everything has already been thought of. And with the volume of content being created, it's impossible to check one's work against every single existing piece of work.

Hence why there will always be accusations of cheating, especially ones targeted towards famous people, because they will be more vulnerable to negative press.

This is a ridiculous charge, given the innocuous similarities; and the target being a President's daughter makes me think it was intentionally fabricated, instead of being merely a good faith accusation.

This.

I published a nonfiction book (with a major publisher) and used lines from a particular poem about the topic as the epigraph in the front of the book.

After it was published, I was contacted by someone who had self-published on the same subject, and used the same epigraph.

He accused me of plagiarism, and there was no real way for me to prove that I hadn't copied him (even though it's awfully unlikely I could have stumbled across a copy of his book if I'd tried).

This is nothing like what Malia is accused of. Malia was literally at the obscure film's premier screening at Sundance last year. She in was the audience and ripped it off. It's cut and dry.

Someone didn’t hear about Commandment XI: Thou shalt not question an Obama.

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Anonymous wrote:It is incredibly easy to come up with a similar idea to someone else's, in any form of art, because in essence everything has already been thought of. And with the volume of content being created, it's impossible to check one's work against every single existing piece of work.

Hence why there will always be accusations of cheating, especially ones targeted towards famous people, because they will be more vulnerable to negative press.

This is a ridiculous charge, given the innocuous similarities; and the target being a President's daughter makes me think it was intentionally fabricated, instead of being merely a good faith accusation.

This.

I published a nonfiction book (with a major publisher) and used lines from a particular poem about the topic as the epigraph in the front of the book.

After it was published, I was contacted by someone who had self-published on the same subject, and used the same epigraph.

He accused me of plagiarism, and there was no real way for me to prove that I hadn't copied him (even though it's awfully unlikely I could have stumbled across a copy of his book if I'd tried).

This is nothing like what Malia is accused of. Malia was literally at the obscure film's premier screening at Sundance last year. She in was the audience and ripped it off. It's cut and dry.

Ok maga as usual your brain cells do not work

Why don’t you go back to the racist hole you climbed out of

Nothing you wrote has any credibility in a court of law or reality

Go play outside with Don Jr he’s at your level of heinous stupidity

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Anonymous wrote:It is incredibly easy to come up with a similar idea to someone else's, in any form of art, because in essence everything has already been thought of. And with the volume of content being created, it's impossible to check one's work against every single existing piece of work.

Hence why there will always be accusations of cheating, especially ones targeted towards famous people, because they will be more vulnerable to negative press.

This is a ridiculous charge, given the innocuous similarities; and the target being a President's daughter makes me think it was intentionally fabricated, instead of being merely a good faith accusation.

This.

I published a nonfiction book (with a major publisher) and used lines from a particular poem about the topic as the epigraph in the front of the book.

After it was published, I was contacted by someone who had self-published on the same subject, and used the same epigraph.

He accused me of plagiarism, and there was no real way for me to prove that I hadn't copied him (even though it's awfully unlikely I could have stumbled across a copy of his book if I'd tried).

This is nothing like what Malia is accused of. Malia was literally at the obscure film's premier screening at Sundance last year. She was in the audience and ripped it off right after. It's not like this was a screening a decade ago and now it's in a commercial. It was literally right after she saw the obscure independent film.

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:It is incredibly easy to come up with a similar idea to someone else's, in any form of art, because in essence everything has already been thought of. And with the volume of content being created, it's impossible to check one's work against every single existing piece of work.

Hence why there will always be accusations of cheating, especially ones targeted towards famous people, because they will be more vulnerable to negative press.

This is a ridiculous charge, given the innocuous similarities; and the target being a President's daughter makes me think it was intentionally fabricated, instead of being merely a good faith accusation.

This.

I published a nonfiction book (with a major publisher) and used lines from a particular poem about the topic as the epigraph in the front of the book.

After it was published, I was contacted by someone who had self-published on the same subject, and used the same epigraph.

He accused me of plagiarism, and there was no real way for me to prove that I hadn't copied him (even though it's awfully unlikely I could have stumbled across a copy of his book if I'd tried).

The difference is, the creator reports she met Malia at the event where Grace was shown. Also, the beauty of the Obama message was about equity, a brighter future for those less privileged, the rick don't need to keep getting richer, etc. Now they are the privileged class by a landslide. A hardworking young black woman work may have provided significant inspiration for the work of their daughter, who went to the best and most expensive schools. Even if it does not meet standards for plagiarism and even the creator herself doesn't know if it crosses the line, shouldn't she get some credit for her work. This isn't about patty cake. Look the video where the 2 are played at the same time. It's about director choices.

+1. But we're arguing with bots and shills. All of these posts defending Malia all across the internet are the same.

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:It is incredibly easy to come up with a similar idea to someone else's, in any form of art, because in essence everything has already been thought of. And with the volume of content being created, it's impossible to check one's work against every single existing piece of work.

Hence why there will always be accusations of cheating, especially ones targeted towards famous people, because they will be more vulnerable to negative press.

This is a ridiculous charge, given the innocuous similarities; and the target being a President's daughter makes me think it was intentionally fabricated, instead of being merely a good faith accusation.

This.

I published a nonfiction book (with a major publisher) and used lines from a particular poem about the topic as the epigraph in the front of the book.

After it was published, I was contacted by someone who had self-published on the same subject, and used the same epigraph.

He accused me of plagiarism, and there was no real way for me to prove that I hadn't copied him (even though it's awfully unlikely I could have stumbled across a copy of his book if I'd tried).

This is nothing like what Malia is accused of. Malia was literally at the obscure film's premier screening at Sundance last year. She in was the audience and ripped it off. It's cut and dry.

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:It is incredibly easy to come up with a similar idea to someone else's, in any form of art, because in essence everything has already been thought of. And with the volume of content being created, it's impossible to check one's work against every single existing piece of work.

Hence why there will always be accusations of cheating, especially ones targeted towards famous people, because they will be more vulnerable to negative press.

This is a ridiculous charge, given the innocuous similarities; and the target being a President's daughter makes me think it was intentionally fabricated, instead of being merely a good faith accusation.

This.

I published a nonfiction book (with a major publisher) and used lines from a particular poem about the topic as the epigraph in the front of the book.

After it was published, I was contacted by someone who had self-published on the same subject, and used the same epigraph.

He accused me of plagiarism, and there was no real way for me to prove that I hadn't copied him (even though it's awfully unlikely I could have stumbled across a copy of his book if I'd tried).

The difference is, the creator reports she met Malia at the event where Grace was shown. Also, the beauty of the Obama message was about equity, a brighter future for those less privileged, the rick don't need to keep getting richer, etc. Now they are the privileged class by a landslide. A hardworking young black woman work may have provided significant inspiration for the work of their daughter, who went to the best and most expensive schools. Even if it does not meet standards for plagiarism and even the creator herself doesn't know if it crosses the line, shouldn't she get some credit for her work. This isn't about patty cake. Look the video where the 2 are played at the same time. It's about director choices.

Anonymous wrote:It is incredibly easy to come up with a similar idea to someone else's, in any form of art, because in essence everything has already been thought of. And with the volume of content being created, it's impossible to check one's work against every single existing piece of work.

Hence why there will always be accusations of cheating, especially ones targeted towards famous people, because they will be more vulnerable to negative press.

This is a ridiculous charge, given the innocuous similarities; and the target being a President's daughter makes me think it was intentionally fabricated, instead of being merely a good faith accusation.

This.

I published a nonfiction book (with a major publisher) and used lines from a particular poem about the topic as the epigraph in the front of the book.

After it was published, I was contacted by someone who had self-published on the same subject, and used the same epigraph.

He accused me of plagiarism, and there was no real way for me to prove that I hadn't copied him (even though it's awfully unlikely I could have stumbled across a copy of his book if I'd tried).