Anonymous
05/02/2025 07:05
Subject: USCIS- compressed/AWS schedules canceled
Anonymous wrote:This is going to be rolled out all agencies soon enough.
Making us miserable is the point. But the more they do that, the more I double down on staying.
I’m not sure that’s true. Some agencies like HHS and DOJ have already had massive cuts and losses. They don’t want to drive out more.
Anonymous
05/02/2025 03:15
Subject: USCIS- compressed/AWS schedules canceled
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Reddit says core hours are now 9-5? Is that true?
It says DHS HQ currently. And also feels sort of similarly random and specific like the rif rumor. I’d be curious to know if any actual humans at HQ have confirmed.
My spouse at HQ confirms this.
Anonymous
05/01/2025 22:22
Subject: USCIS- compressed/AWS schedules canceled
Anonymous wrote:Reddit says core hours are now 9-5? Is that true?
I saw that on reddit but did not receive any emails. So I would say that's BS or specific to that one guy's office.
Anonymous
05/01/2025 19:43
Subject: USCIS- compressed/AWS schedules canceled
Anonymous wrote:Reddit says core hours are now 9-5? Is that true?
It says DHS HQ currently. And also feels sort of similarly random and specific like the rif rumor. I’d be curious to know if any actual humans at HQ have confirmed.
Anonymous
05/01/2025 17:50
Subject: USCIS- compressed/AWS schedules canceled
Reddit says core hours are now 9-5? Is that true?
Anonymous
04/29/2025 23:33
Subject: Re:USCIS- compressed/AWS schedules canceled
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:4/10 schedules were available to DC feds back in the late 1980s.
But what Feds dont realize that non-exempt corporate drones pre-Covid the normal work day was 5/10s. Pretty much I got to work around 8 am and left sixish my whole career. Big companies hate clock watchers. So I could see the 4/10 get pushback.
I recall my one job I had 8 years tracked hours. I usually hit 40 hours by lunchtime on Thursday. And I was not a workaholic.
4/10 schedule in non-exempt world is fantasy as everyone is already working 5/10. And in Remote they log in at 7am on way to bus stop with kid and log off at 530 pm while prepping dinner is technically a 10 hour day. But on honor system.
It is great employees and great for honest hard working people. But lets be real.
You are full of it. My kids play on baseball teams coached by oil and gas supervisors. They aren't doing anywhere near those "standard" hours you are claiming. No way in hell they would give up hybrid and flexible schedules.
This. I live in bethesda surrounded by people who work in finance, tech, law firms, consulting and we all have really nice flexibility. Professionals generally work a lot of hours but have flexibility so if you want to have dinner with your kids and then work against after dinner, that’s cool.
Anonymous
04/29/2025 21:47
Subject: Re:USCIS- compressed/AWS schedules canceled
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:4/10 schedules were available to DC feds back in the late 1980s.
But what Feds dont realize that non-exempt corporate drones pre-Covid the normal work day was 5/10s. Pretty much I got to work around 8 am and left sixish my whole career. Big companies hate clock watchers. So I could see the 4/10 get pushback.
I recall my one job I had 8 years tracked hours. I usually hit 40 hours by lunchtime on Thursday. And I was not a workaholic.
4/10 schedule in non-exempt world is fantasy as everyone is already working 5/10. And in Remote they log in at 7am on way to bus stop with kid and log off at 530 pm while prepping dinner is technically a 10 hour day. But on honor system.
It is great employees and great for honest hard working people. But lets be real.
You are full of it. My kids play on baseball teams coached by oil and gas supervisors. They aren't doing anywhere near those "standard" hours you are claiming. No way in hell they would give up hybrid and flexible schedules.
Anonymous
04/29/2025 20:12
Subject: Re:USCIS- compressed/AWS schedules canceled
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:4/10 schedules were available to DC feds back in the late 1980s.
But what Feds dont realize that non-exempt corporate drones pre-Covid the normal work day was 5/10s. Pretty much I got to work around 8 am and left sixish my whole career. Big companies hate clock watchers. So I could see the 4/10 get pushback.
I recall my one job I had 8 years tracked hours. I usually hit 40 hours by lunchtime on Thursday. And I was not a workaholic.
4/10 schedule in non-exempt world is fantasy as everyone is already working 5/10. And in Remote they log in at 7am on way to bus stop with kid and log off at 530 pm while prepping dinner is technically a 10 hour day. But on honor system.
It is great employees and great for honest hard working people. But lets be real.
Most feds have worked in the private sector - we're quire familiar with the flexibility that exempt employees have. What YOU don't seem to realize is that for timekeeping purposes feds are hourly. We're not allowed to work 5/10s without authorization. We are required to pick a schedule from available options (spelled out in detail) and then follow it strictly.
So kid schedules, recurring appointments, vanpools, even shared desks, all built around something like 4/10 or whatever you happen to have. Only to have some maniac upend the whole thing with 12 hours notice.
Anonymous
04/29/2025 18:47
Subject: Re:USCIS- compressed/AWS schedules canceled
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:4/10 schedules were available to DC feds back in the late 1980s.
But what Feds dont realize that non-exempt corporate drones pre-Covid the normal work day was 5/10s. Pretty much I got to work around 8 am and left sixish my whole career. Big companies hate clock watchers. So I could see the 4/10 get pushback.
I recall my one job I had 8 years tracked hours. I usually hit 40 hours by lunchtime on Thursday. And I was not a workaholic.
4/10 schedule in non-exempt world is fantasy as everyone is already working 5/10. And in Remote they log in at 7am on way to bus stop with kid and log off at 530 pm while prepping dinner is technically a 10 hour day. But on honor system.
It is great employees and great for honest hard working people. But lets be real.
I keep seeing posts about how big companies want people to work strict long hours, but that just isn’t accurate at all from the people I know who aren’t Feds. My DH and many of my friends/neighbors work at private companies with gobs of flexibility. They may work long on some days if there is a need but then they’re taking off early other days. I also know plenty of private sector workers who are allowed to go in person for like 4-5 hours to do meetings and such and then come home to telework the rest of the day. Actually my DH is doing that tomorrow. Going in around 8 for some in-person needs and should be home by 1.
Now my boomer dad did have to go in 5 days per week, long hours, and do work travel. But he didn’t have the benefit of all the tech we have now to allow people to be more productive without a butt in seat. If companies are requiring 8-6 every single day that sounds like a company that is going to have a hard time recruiting unless they pay a ton.
Anonymous
04/29/2025 18:39
Subject: Re:USCIS- compressed/AWS schedules canceled
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:The lack of notice is so messed up. In addition to plans people may have had on Monday, a lot of the vanpools are designed around an AWS schedule.
Also, how does this work if you already put in your longer days last week for an RDO to occur next week? Do you get overtime? Or some shorter days this week? Because they cannot accept unpaid hours.
We are on maxiflex and I assume if they rescinded AWS we would work shorter days till hit 80. We often work nights and will take half Friday off.
So maxiflex is still available?
No maxiflex and any daily flexibility is cancelled. I didn’t know this when I went to work this morning and now need to take 2 hours of leave to pick up my daughter at school.
So you were leaving after only being in the office for 6ish hours and then "teleworking" some time later in the day at home? Yeah, you are the reason this happened.
No, you filthy slerm guzzler. I find people like you tend to project your own dishonesty and lack of ethics onto others.
I work in person in the national headquarters of a government agency, and have for 20 years. Weeks when I have custody I do school drop off and pickup. Those days can be as short as 6.45 hours or as long as 8.5 hours (that doesn't include the commute). Weeks I don't have custody I work up to 10.5 hours in person. Over a two-week pay period I have no problem getting 80 hours. I also keep my own timekeeping Excel spreadsheet which shows on average I work 2-6 additional hours each pay period. This will change with the new non-flexibility rules.
Anonymous
04/29/2025 18:28
Subject: Re:USCIS- compressed/AWS schedules canceled
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:4/10 schedules were available to DC feds back in the late 1980s.
But what Feds dont realize that non-exempt corporate drones pre-Covid the normal work day was 5/10s. Pretty much I got to work around 8 am and left sixish my whole career. Big companies hate clock watchers. So I could see the 4/10 get pushback.
I recall my one job I had 8 years tracked hours. I usually hit 40 hours by lunchtime on Thursday. And I was not a workaholic.
4/10 schedule in non-exempt world is fantasy as everyone is already working 5/10. And in Remote they log in at 7am on way to bus stop with kid and log off at 530 pm while prepping dinner is technically a 10 hour day. But on honor system.
It is great employees and great for honest hard working people. But lets be real.
Yes, we do realize that, we joined the government so we could get flexible schedules and work 40 hour weeks. In exchange we get generally lower salaries and a meager bonus if we’re lucky, at the same time following strict rules of employment.
A lot of FEDs were moonlighting post COVID. Why do you think DOGE was inside the IRS. Wait till the dust settles on tax filings by the FEDs.
Send me their names. I don't know of a single fed who was moonlighting.
Anonymous
04/29/2025 18:26
Subject: Re:USCIS- compressed/AWS schedules canceled
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:4/10 schedules were available to DC feds back in the late 1980s.
But what Feds dont realize that non-exempt corporate drones pre-Covid the normal work day was 5/10s. Pretty much I got to work around 8 am and left sixish my whole career. Big companies hate clock watchers. So I could see the 4/10 get pushback.
I recall my one job I had 8 years tracked hours. I usually hit 40 hours by lunchtime on Thursday. And I was not a workaholic.
4/10 schedule in non-exempt world is fantasy as everyone is already working 5/10. And in Remote they log in at 7am on way to bus stop with kid and log off at 530 pm while prepping dinner is technically a 10 hour day. But on honor system.
It is great employees and great for honest hard working people. But lets be real.
I doubt you have worked an honest day in your life and your type English like a Russian.
Anonymous
04/29/2025 17:25
Subject: Re:USCIS- compressed/AWS schedules canceled
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:4/10 schedules were available to DC feds back in the late 1980s.
But what Feds dont realize that non-exempt corporate drones pre-Covid the normal work day was 5/10s. Pretty much I got to work around 8 am and left sixish my whole career. Big companies hate clock watchers. So I could see the 4/10 get pushback.
I recall my one job I had 8 years tracked hours. I usually hit 40 hours by lunchtime on Thursday. And I was not a workaholic.
4/10 schedule in non-exempt world is fantasy as everyone is already working 5/10. And in Remote they log in at 7am on way to bus stop with kid and log off at 530 pm while prepping dinner is technically a 10 hour day. But on honor system.
It is great employees and great for honest hard working people. But lets be real.
Yes, we do realize that, we joined the government so we could get flexible schedules and work 40 hour weeks. In exchange we get generally lower salaries and a meager bonus if we’re lucky, at the same time following strict rules of employment.
A lot of FEDs were moonlighting post COVID. Why do you think DOGE was inside the IRS. Wait till the dust settles on tax filings by the FEDs.
THIS! FEDs were made more money during COVID then anyone else. No commute, WFH, side hustles, no child care, remote work while on travel banking leave!
Um, yeah. We kept the country running. We worked our jobs at crazy hours because our kids were home. Mine were 2 and 5 at the time. It was awful. We sent them back to child care as soon as it re-opened. And had to keep paying for child care to hold our spots even while our children did not attend. There was exactly zero nefarious side hustle or system gains while we did everything we could to stay afloat.
Not to mention, an unreported side hustle is a really easy way to get fired notwithstanding civil service protections. It’s drilled into us.
Anonymous
04/29/2025 15:58
Subject: Re:USCIS- compressed/AWS schedules canceled
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:The lack of notice is so messed up. In addition to plans people may have had on Monday, a lot of the vanpools are designed around an AWS schedule.
Also, how does this work if you already put in your longer days last week for an RDO to occur next week? Do you get overtime? Or some shorter days this week? Because they cannot accept unpaid hours.
We are on maxiflex and I assume if they rescinded AWS we would work shorter days till hit 80. We often work nights and will take half Friday off.
So maxiflex is still available?
No maxiflex and any daily flexibility is cancelled. I didn’t know this when I went to work this morning and now need to take 2 hours of leave to pick up my daughter at school.
So you were leaving after only being in the office for 6ish hours and then "teleworking" some time later in the day at home? Yeah, you are the reason this happened.
DP. Lol. I am not a Fed but I rarely stay in the office for more than 5-6 hours unless I have a heavy meeting load, which is rare. And yes I do telework at home. I get so much head’s down work done in peace (thoughtful email replies, reviewing my team’s output, strategic thinking). I am so glad some companies realize it’s possible to hire talented people and not babysit them.
Do you keep a timecard? - I suspect not, but that is Fed Life. And Feds know that is the rule, so RTO means canceling of all telework - which needs annotated on the timecard. This person seems to have still been teleworking on a daily basis. Feds are also not authorized to telework if there are children dependent on the adult for care in the home. If maxiflex means regular periods of telework each week then by effect maxiflex was canceled.
Are you a fed? Maxi flex is literally the only way I can pick up my kids on time. The person you’re complaining about either banks extra hours on a different day so they can pick up their kids on Mondays or typically comes in early so they can leave early in time for pick up. I don’t know how someone can parent in the DC region without AWS, frankly. My kids’ aftercare ends at 6 and my job is an hour away.
My understanding is as long as someone puts in 8.5 consecutive hours in the office, that is a permissible schedule, unless USCIS has a rule that one one can start before 0700. But even starting at 7 allows one to leave at 3:30.
People are scammers. I had this kid, not my current job.. We were only two days a week in office. He lived in middle of nowhere He asked to come in after lunch on Wed them work 8 straight, he said could crash at friends couch or even just sleep in car as we had gym and shower at work. They he asked to start work at 7am and skip lunch and leave at 3pm.
That way he misses traffic both ways and gets his 16 hours done very quickly. I am like what type of productivity is he giving, who is he even meeting with, why does he think he is coming to office to sit in am empty office. I was just so confused. So we put dept work hours in place.
It's J1/J2 Guy!
What's up, my man? What is your current gig and comp?
Pretty sure this is the retired person who lives abroad and spends a sad amount of time trolling Feds on DCUM’s jobs forum.
NP. No I recognize him as J1/J2 guy too. He said recently he's only working on job. Not sure I buy it, sounds like a retiree and he makes up stories.
Anonymous
04/29/2025 15:40
Subject: Re:USCIS- compressed/AWS schedules canceled
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:4/10 schedules were available to DC feds back in the late 1980s.
But what Feds dont realize that non-exempt corporate drones pre-Covid the normal work day was 5/10s. Pretty much I got to work around 8 am and left sixish my whole career. Big companies hate clock watchers. So I could see the 4/10 get pushback.
I recall my one job I had 8 years tracked hours. I usually hit 40 hours by lunchtime on Thursday. And I was not a workaholic.
4/10 schedule in non-exempt world is fantasy as everyone is already working 5/10. And in Remote they log in at 7am on way to bus stop with kid and log off at 530 pm while prepping dinner is technically a 10 hour day. But on honor system.
It is great employees and great for honest hard working people. But lets be real.
Yes, we do realize that, we joined the government so we could get flexible schedules and work 40 hour weeks. In exchange we get generally lower salaries and a meager bonus if we’re lucky, at the same time following strict rules of employment.
Please. trust fund baby peddle it elsewhere
A lot of FEDs were moonlighting post COVID. Why do you think DOGE was inside the IRS. Wait till the dust settles on tax filings by the FEDs.
THIS! FEDs were made more money during COVID then anyone else. No commute, WFH, side hustles, no child care, remote work while on travel banking leave!
Um, yeah. We kept the country running. We worked our jobs at crazy hours because our kids were home. Mine were 2 and 5 at the time. It was awful. We sent them back to child care as soon as it re-opened. And had to keep paying for child care to hold our spots even while our children did not attend. There was exactly zero nefarious side hustle or system gains while we did everything we could to stay afloat.