Anonymous wrote:Every Trumper/MAGA/Q person says they want to "restore freedom." Why are so many convinced that their authoritarian policies of firing scientists, targeting universities, banning critical race theory, deporting people without any due process, arresting judges etc. are about "freedom"?

Also when was the country actually free and when did cease to be free, in their view?

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Anonymous wrote:Gun rights is the litmus test

Anybody taking gun rights is a suspected authoritarian.

Zero authoritarians are pro gun rights

100 percent of nonauthoritarians are pro gun rights for the population

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Anonymous wrote:Every Trumper/MAGA/Q person says they want to "restore freedom." Why are so many convinced that their authoritarian policies of firing scientists, targeting universities, banning critical race theory, deporting people without any due process, arresting judges etc. are about "freedom"?

Also when was the country actually free and when did cease to be free, in their view?

I remember being told we couldn’t be in public spaces unless we gave into authoritarian control and took a shot that didn’t stop infection or transmission of a disease.

You mean that type of “freedom”?

Nice manipulation of the facts.

But let's pretend that was a sign of authoritarian control. How does your once in a century, dealing with a pandemic, caution compare to sending people to human rights violating maximum security prisons in another country?

Why does everyone forget that Covid and the lock down began under Trump? March 2020 - Jan 2021 Trump was POTUS.

It wasn’t Trump or republicans that demanded that you had to get a shot to keep your job, carry the card with you to get into public spaces, attend schools, go to college etc.

The authoritarians said we will allow you have this freedom if you give up that freedom.

Those were all local decisions, except for the mandate in the military—which, come on, if you serve, mandatory vaccines are the least authoritarian policy on your mind.

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Anonymous wrote:They think freedom means white men are at the top of society instead of freedom meaning everyone gets to try to be at the top of society.

I think MAGA is civic nationalist more so than white supremacist.

No they aren't. Civic nationalism would embrace diversity and inclusivity. MAGA does not.

Civic nationalism doesn't embrase diversity, its the opposite.

It embrances the commonalities a population has rather than emphasizing the differences or ethnocentricism. Those commonalities being shared values, rather than a nation that shares blood.

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Anonymous wrote:Every Trumper/MAGA/Q person says they want to "restore freedom." Why are so many convinced that their authoritarian policies of firing scientists, targeting universities, banning critical race theory, deporting people without any due process, arresting judges etc. are about "freedom"?

Also when was the country actually free and when did cease to be free, in their view?

I remember being told we couldn’t be in public spaces unless we gave into authoritarian control and took a shot that didn’t stop infection or transmission of a disease.

You mean that type of “freedom”?

Nice manipulation of the facts.

But let's pretend that was a sign of authoritarian control. How does your once in a century, dealing with a pandemic, caution compare to sending people to human rights violating maximum security prisons in another country?

Why does everyone forget that Covid and the lock down began under Trump? March 2020 - Jan 2021 Trump was POTUS.

It wasn’t Trump or republicans that demanded that you had to get a shot to keep your job, carry the card with you to get into public spaces, attend schools, go to college etc.

The authoritarians said we will allow you have this freedom if you give up that freedom.

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Anonymous wrote:This. Agree 100%. When deploying to the Middle East we had to get anthrax vaccines, or when on other deployments often it was typhoid, yellow fever, japanese encephalitis and so on, depending on what was prevalent and a risk.

Unvaccinated soldiers pose a risk to the readiness of the unit. No vaccine: Not mission ready, not mission capable, not deployable. Period.

Get the damn vaccine.

Or, better yet, if you're so prone to weak-brained conspiracy theory BS and propaganda, you are also a risk to the mission. If you actually believe all the disinfo claiming things like "the vaccines are more dangerous than COVID" then god knows what other stupid shit you believe and you probably have no business serving because you are a weak link who could undermine the unit.

According to these people, being too much of a wimp to get a vaccine makes one a "patriot."