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Anonymous wrote:I think the courts do not feel they can trust ICE’s word, and they can’t exclude the possibility of coercion on the part of ICE, or to follow due process.

“Trump administration officials said in court that the mother told ICE officials that she wished to take V.M.L. with her to Honduras. The filing included a handwritten note in Spanish they claimed was written by the mother and confirmed her intent. But the judge said he had hoped to verify that information.”

I think ICE feels like they can’t trust the judiciary after one judge was just arrested for obstructing a legal arrest.

Works both ways.

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:The judge in this case is pro Trump. The concern is due process. It's a valid concern but clearly too nuanced for many people too consumed by hatred for immigrants to care about silly things like the law.

Due process? The child wasn’t deported. She was taken back to Honduras at her mother’s request. The child can return if that is the mother’s wish. There is nothing stopping her from sending the child back to the US.

"A federal judge in Louisiana expressed concern on Friday that the Trump administration had deported a 2-year-old U.S. citizen to Honduras “with no meaningful process” and against the wishes of her father. . . . Asserting that “it is illegal and unconstitutional to deport” a U.S. citizen, Judge Doughty set a hearing for May 16 to explore his “strong suspicion that the government just deported a U.S. citizen with no meaningful process.”"

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Doughty is based in Monroe, Louisiana, about 100 miles north of the staging facility in Alexandria where lawyers who filed the petition said they believed the mother and her daughters were being held prior to their deportation.

Doughty’s sharp criticism of the Trump administration is particularly notable because he issued a series of major decisions in favor of Trump and his allies in recent years, most notably backing conservatives in legal challenges to the Biden administration’s efforts to rein in what it claimed was misinformation on social media platforms about vaccines and certain politically charged topics.

Indeed, some conservatives considered Doughty so likely to be in their camp that they filed lawsuits in his judicial division in order to have a strong chance the cases would be assigned to him.

Even as Doughty made clear that he was disturbed by the government’s actions, in his order Friday the judge seemed to tip his hat to the president, adopting the term “Gulf of America” for the body of water traditionally known as the Gulf of Mexico.

The Justice Department and Department of Homeland Security did not immediately respond to requests for comment.

Anonymous wrote:The child wasn’t deported. A US citizen cannot be deported. The illegal alien mother was deported and chose to bring her child back to her country with her. She put in writing that she wished to have the child return with her to her country.

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Still waiting for proof of a deportation order for the young child.

Anonymous wrote:Still waiting for proof of a deportation order for the young child.

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:I dislike unlawful deportations as much as the next sane person, but can we use some common sense here?

Do people really think the right thing to do here would have been to rip a 2 year old from the custodial mom's arms and give her to her U.S. citizen father so a U.S. citizen wouldn't be "deported"?

Do we really want to set a precedent that when a child has a deportable parent and a U.S. citizen parent, the citizen parent automatically gets custody?

This sounds like a situation in which the government used common sense and decency and did not separate a small child from the parent who is the actual caregiver.

The father of the child is also an illegal immigrant who has a deportation order. That’s why he refused to take custody of the child from ICE. He and the child’s mother are not married. The mother has custody and chose to take the child back with her to Honduras. The child was not deported and can return at any time. A US citizen cannot be deported and this judge has no idea what he is talking about.

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:The child wasn’t deported. A US citizen cannot be deported. The illegal alien mother was deported and chose to bring her child back to her country with her. She put in writing that she wished to have the child return with her to her country.

Against the fathers wishes and with no due process. See the problem?

The problem is coming here illegally and having kids.

DP. You may not like it, but the US still has birthright citizenship under the constitution. The Supreme Court is expected to take up the matter, and it may rule against birthright citizenship but, for now, it’s still allowed by our constitution.

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:I think the courts do not feel they can trust ICE’s word, and they can’t exclude the possibility of coercion on the part of ICE, or to follow due process.

“Trump administration officials said in court that the mother told ICE officials that she wished to take V.M.L. with her to Honduras. The filing included a handwritten note in Spanish they claimed was written by the mother and confirmed her intent. But the judge said he had hoped to verify that information.”

I think ICE feels like they can’t trust the judiciary after one judge was just arrested for obstructing a legal arrest.

Works both ways.

This. FAFO

Oh, there will be FAFO, and it won't be the kind you are hoping for. Your guy is tanking in the polls, including on questions about the handling of migrants.

Anonymous wrote:I dislike unlawful deportations as much as the next sane person, but can we use some common sense here?

Do people really think the right thing to do here would have been to rip a 2 year old from the custodial mom's arms and give her to her U.S. citizen father so a U.S. citizen wouldn't be "deported"?

Do we really want to set a precedent that when a child has a deportable parent and a U.S. citizen parent, the citizen parent automatically gets custody?

This sounds like a situation in which the government used common sense and decency and did not separate a small child from the parent who is the actual caregiver.

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:The judge in this case is pro Trump. The concern is due process. It's a valid concern but clearly too nuanced for many people too consumed by hatred for immigrants to care about silly things like the law.

Due process? The child wasn’t deported. She was taken back to Honduras at her mother’s request. The child can return if that is the mother’s wish. There is nothing stopping her from sending the child back to the US.

"A federal judge in Louisiana expressed concern on Friday that the Trump administration had deported a 2-year-old U.S. citizen to Honduras “with no meaningful process” and against the wishes of her father. . . . Asserting that “it is illegal and unconstitutional to deport” a U.S. citizen, Judge Doughty set a hearing for May 16 to explore his “strong suspicion that the government just deported a U.S. citizen with no meaningful process.”"

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The judge is an idiot. You can’t deport a citizen. The mother is the legal guardian and chose to have her daughter go with her. The dad refused to appear to ICE authorities upon request.

Take it up with the judge.

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:The judge in this case is pro Trump. The concern is due process. It's a valid concern but clearly too nuanced for many people too consumed by hatred for immigrants to care about silly things like the law.

Due process? The child wasn’t deported. She was taken back to Honduras at her mother’s request. The child can return if that is the mother’s wish. There is nothing stopping her from sending the child back to the US.

"A federal judge in Louisiana expressed concern on Friday that the Trump administration had deported a 2-year-old U.S. citizen to Honduras “with no meaningful process” and against the wishes of her father. . . . Asserting that “it is illegal and unconstitutional to deport” a U.S. citizen, Judge Doughty set a hearing for May 16 to explore his “strong suspicion that the government just deported a U.S. citizen with no meaningful process.”"

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The judge is an idiot. You can’t deport a citizen. The mother is the legal guardian and chose to have her daughter go with her. The dad refused to appear to ICE authorities upon request.

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:The judge in this case is pro Trump. The concern is due process. It's a valid concern but clearly too nuanced for many people too consumed by hatred for immigrants to care about silly things like the law.

Due process? The child wasn’t deported. She was taken back to Honduras at her mother’s request. The child can return if that is the mother’s wish. There is nothing stopping her from sending the child back to the US.

"A federal judge in Louisiana expressed concern on Friday that the Trump administration had deported a 2-year-old U.S. citizen to Honduras “with no meaningful process” and against the wishes of her father. . . . Asserting that “it is illegal and unconstitutional to deport” a U.S. citizen, Judge Doughty set a hearing for May 16 to explore his “strong suspicion that the government just deported a U.S. citizen with no meaningful process.”"

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:The judge in this case is pro Trump. The concern is due process. It's a valid concern but clearly too nuanced for many people too consumed by hatred for immigrants to care about silly things like the law.

Due process? The child wasn’t deported. She was taken back to Honduras at her mother’s request. The child can return if that is the mother’s wish. There is nothing stopping her from sending the child back to the US.

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:The child wasn’t deported. A US citizen cannot be deported. The illegal alien mother was deported and chose to bring her child back to her country with her. She put in writing that she wished to have the child return with her to her country.

Against the fathers wishes and with no due process. See the problem?

Read the complaint. The mother and sister had deportation orders. The father is in the country illegally as well. That’s why he did not take custody of the citizen child, as he was told he would be detained and deported as well. Regardless, the child has every ability to return to the country. The parents only have to arrange transportation for her to return. It was the mother who wrote that she wished for her daughter to return to Honduras with her.

I read the complaint. Father wanted child to be taken by guardian Trisha Mack. ICE wouldn’t allow it, they were using the child to get father to present himself and be deported.