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Anonymous wrote:I am sorry I don't quite understand how can an illegal immigrant can be turned about away at the border with zero due process but somehow if they make it into the country there has to be due process in order to deport them? Outside of validating their status what else should we need to do?

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And it's really such a shame the Biden administration saw fit to open the floodgates to millions of illegal immigrants in the first place. Let's not forget who bussed them all over the country, often in the dead of night. And now the Trump administration is left to clean up this disaster.

Why do you keep repeating these lies? Biden complied with American and International law where asylum is concerned. He asked for and created bi-partisam legislation to deal with the issue more expediently and Trump got the GOP to reject their own legislation. Now he is using that same lack of judges to flaunt US and International law.

And people like you fall for it.

Republican jerks keep trying to prioritize taxpayers and U.S. citizens over migrants. But that is evil and wrong. Our migrants are our values. Every member of Congress should go down to El Salvador and demand that Kilmar be returned to us.

Every migrant deserves a long jury trial and multiple appeals. I don’t care if they snuck over the border last week. We owe these people their rights. I don’t care how long it takes or what it costs. We owe these people.

Anonymous wrote:We can’t process all the undocumented immigrants in the U.S. right now. It’s just not possible with the system we have.

There are an estimated 18.6 million undocumented immigrants in the country and only about 700 immigration judges. That means each judge would be responsible for over 26,500 cases.

Even if a judge could process one case every 3 hours, that’s around 79,000 hours of work per judge. With a full-time schedule of 2,000 hours per year, it would take each judge nearly 40 years to get through their caseload. And that’s assuming no new cases come in, no judges retire, take vacation, or get sick.

Maybe we could try using AI or automation to help deport faster, but let’s be honest, most people would push back on that too. So we’re stuck.

The only realistic path forward is to reset the system. We need to deport those who are here illegally now so we can start fresh. From that point on, anyone who enters can go through the proper court process with manageable timelines.

The Constitution allows flexibility in how non-citizens are processed, especially those who have no legal right to remain. In fact, the government already uses expedited removal for certain categories of undocumented immigrants without full hearings, and that is fully legal under current law. The more people we process quickly and efficiently through these existing methods, the more we can reduce the backlog and restore some functionality to the system.

You can blame every past administration for letting this build up, but something has to happen. We can’t fix immigration until we stop pretending the current system can handle this. We need to start over.

Or, even faster and cheaper - let them all stay and only deport those who are convicted of a violent or serious crime.

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Anonymous wrote:POTUS is correct on this one.

He does this to an “illegal alien” (but does have to show he’s illegal, because no due process)
So, he does it to someone here legally (who can’t prove they are here legally)
So, he does it to you and says you are here illegally (and you have not opportunity to prove you are a citizen)


We can take Trumps word for the fact everyone is here illegally and deportable. Despite the fact he and his appointees can’t keep reporters off chats that include war plans or keep track of a purse with $3000, a PIV card and a passport. But, let’s go out on a limb here and say he occasionally makes mistakes. Some of those mistakes are legal permanent residents. Some are US citizens. None of them get the chance to challenge anything before they are put on a plane and dumped in CECOT. And when the inevitable mistake happens, as it already has, he says “opppsss. Still leaving them there”.

That’s why you need due process. To prevent US citizens from being dumped into El Salvadoran he11holes with no recourse.

Due process I’d your recourse.

Trump is not right. And if he can’t process the immigrants he wants to deport, he should stop firing immigration judges.

Democrats don't deserve to lecture anyone on what is right. Look at this mess after all.

Indeed. Trump has absolutely destroyed the economy and Americas standing in the world— in 100 days. It is, indeed, a mess.

PS— can’t ignore the Constitution to own the libs. Sorry, not sorry.

I think the argument many conservatives make is that Biden ignored the law by letting them into the country, and in the process ignoring the Constitution ("he shall take Care that the Laws be faithfully executed" Const. Art. II, Sec. 3). So why should they get full Due Process rights to stay when they had no legal right to be here in the first place? The Constitution guarantees certain rights, such as the right to vote and the right to keep and bear arms - so if illegal aliens have Constitutional rights to Due Process, by logical extension, don't they have those as well?

There is no logical extension when it come to immigrants rights. US persons are afforded some rights. If they have legal status like student visa they get more rights and even more rights when they have green card. Naturalized citizens don't have all the rights. Can't run for president.

I believe there is a difference between being deported and being sent to a prison in El Salvador.

We can’t process all the undocumented immigrants in the U.S. right now. It’s just not possible with the system we have.

There are an estimated 18.6 million undocumented immigrants in the country and only about 700 immigration judges. That means each judge would be responsible for over 26,500 cases.

Even if a judge could process one case every 3 hours, that’s around 79,000 hours of work per judge. With a full-time schedule of 2,000 hours per year, it would take each judge nearly 40 years to get through their caseload. And that’s assuming no new cases come in, no judges retire, take vacation, or get sick.

Maybe we could try using AI or automation to help deport faster, but let’s be honest, most people would push back on that too. So we’re stuck.

The only realistic path forward is to reset the system. We need to deport those who are here illegally now so we can start fresh. From that point on, anyone who enters can go through the proper court process with manageable timelines.

The Constitution allows flexibility in how non-citizens are processed, especially those who have no legal right to remain. In fact, the government already uses expedited removal for certain categories of undocumented immigrants without full hearings, and that is fully legal under current law. The more people we process quickly and efficiently through these existing methods, the more we can reduce the backlog and restore some functionality to the system.

You can blame every past administration for letting this build up, but something has to happen. We can’t fix immigration until we stop pretending the current system can handle this. We need to start over.

Anonymous wrote:Does anyone have actual numbers comparing border crossers during Trump's first term and Biden’s? Talk is cheap. I want real numbers.

Border crossings definitely went up early in Biden's admin. You can look it up. But in 2024, the Biden admin returned or deported many people, highest total since 2010. From https://www.migrationpolicy.org/article/biden-deportation-record in June 2024:

In the 12 months after Title 42 ended, the Biden administration ramped up deportations under the standard U.S. immigration framework, Title 8, and removed or returned 775,000 unauthorized migrants—more than in any previous fiscal year since 2010. From May 2023 through March 2024, 316,000 migrants were processed via expedited removal, more than in any prior full fiscal year. And for the first time since FY 2010, in FY 2023 more migrants were returned directly across the border, mostly to Mexico, than were removed from the U.S. interior. Whereas President Barack Obama was labeled by some as the “deporter in chief,” this new trend may earn President Joe Biden the title of “returner in chief.” Notably, authorities have deported migrants to more than 170 countries during the current administration, which may be the most ever.

If you google it there are multiple articles.

Does anyone have actual numbers comparing border crossers during Trump's first term and Biden’s? Talk is cheap. I want real numbers.

Every migrant should be able to enjoy his or her full constitutional rights. If the courts are backed up, so be it. They can stay as long as ut takes for them all to get due process.

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:POTUS is correct on this one.

He does this to an “illegal alien” (but does have to show he’s illegal, because no due process)
So, he does it to someone here legally (who can’t prove they are here legally)
So, he does it to you and says you are here illegally (and you have not opportunity to prove you are a citizen)


We can take Trumps word for the fact everyone is here illegally and deportable. Despite the fact he and his appointees can’t keep reporters off chats that include war plans or keep track of a purse with $3000, a PIV card and a passport. But, let’s go out on a limb here and say he occasionally makes mistakes. Some of those mistakes are legal permanent residents. Some are US citizens. None of them get the chance to challenge anything before they are put on a plane and dumped in CECOT. And when the inevitable mistake happens, as it already has, he says “opppsss. Still leaving them there”.

That’s why you need due process. To prevent US citizens from being dumped into El Salvadoran he11holes with no recourse.

Due process I’d your recourse.

Trump is not right. And if he can’t process the immigrants he wants to deport, he should stop firing immigration judges.

Democrats don't deserve to lecture anyone on what is right. Look at this mess after all.

Indeed. Trump has absolutely destroyed the economy and Americas standing in the world— in 100 days. It is, indeed, a mess.

PS— can’t ignore the Constitution to own the libs. Sorry, not sorry.

I think the argument many conservatives make is that Biden ignored the law by letting them into the country, and in the process ignoring the Constitution ("he shall take Care that the Laws be faithfully executed" Const. Art. II, Sec. 3). So why should they get full Due Process rights to stay when they had no legal right to be here in the first place? The Constitution guarantees certain rights, such as the right to vote and the right to keep and bear arms - so if illegal aliens have Constitutional rights to Due Process, by logical extension, don't they have those as well?

By this logic, we can say that trump had no right to be elected president because he’s an insurrectionist, so nothing he does as president is actually legal and everyone can just ignore everything he does.

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Anonymous wrote:I am sorry I don't quite understand how can an illegal immigrant can be turned about away at the border with zero due process but somehow if they make it into the country there has to be due process in order to deport them? Outside of validating their status what else should we need to do?

+100
And it's really such a shame the Biden administration saw fit to open the floodgates to millions of illegal immigrants in the first place. Let's not forget who bussed them all over the country, often in the dead of night. And now the Trump administration is left to clean up this disaster.

GOP Governors were bussing them around the country. The "disaster" is greatly exaggerated by the Trump admin to drum up anti-immigrant sentiment in ignorant voters such as yourself and distract you from the real problems.

The real disaster, the actual crisis is happening now and is 100% the fault of the incompetent, overreaching, wanna-be autocratic Trump admin. They are wrecking our economy, ignoring the judicial system, overreaching at every opportunity to dismantle the foundational parts of our democracy (free press, academic institutions/education system, judiciary).

People like you are fiddling while Rome burns.

Everyone present in the US is entitled to due process. It's in the U.S. Constitution. Due process of law.

It applies to you and me and to criminals and to non-citizens. Everyone. Trump cannot rewrite the U.S. Constitution.

Anonymous wrote:I am sorry I don't quite understand how can an illegal immigrant can be turned about away at the border with zero due process but somehow if they make it into the country there has to be due process in order to deport them? Outside of validating their status what else should we need to do?

+100
And it's really such a shame the Biden administration saw fit to open the floodgates to millions of illegal immigrants in the first place. Let's not forget who bussed them all over the country, often in the dead of night. And now the Trump administration is left to clean up this disaster.

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:POTUS is correct on this one.

He does this to an “illegal alien” (but does have to show he’s illegal, because no due process)
So, he does it to someone here legally (who can’t prove they are here legally)
So, he does it to you and says you are here illegally (and you have not opportunity to prove you are a citizen)


We can take Trumps word for the fact everyone is here illegally and deportable. Despite the fact he and his appointees can’t keep reporters off chats that include war plans or keep track of a purse with $3000, a PIV card and a passport. But, let’s go out on a limb here and say he occasionally makes mistakes. Some of those mistakes are legal permanent residents. Some are US citizens. None of them get the chance to challenge anything before they are put on a plane and dumped in CECOT. And when the inevitable mistake happens, as it already has, he says “opppsss. Still leaving them there”.

That’s why you need due process. To prevent US citizens from being dumped into El Salvadoran he11holes with no recourse.

Due process I’d your recourse.

Trump is not right. And if he can’t process the immigrants he wants to deport, he should stop firing immigration judges.

Democrats don't deserve to lecture anyone on what is right. Look at this mess after all.

Indeed. Trump has absolutely destroyed the economy and Americas standing in the world— in 100 days. It is, indeed, a mess.

PS— can’t ignore the Constitution to own the libs. Sorry, not sorry.

I think the argument many conservatives make is that Biden ignored the law by letting them into the country, and in the process ignoring the Constitution ("he shall take Care that the Laws be faithfully executed" Const. Art. II, Sec. 3). So why should they get full Due Process rights to stay when they had no legal right to be here in the first place? The Constitution guarantees certain rights, such as the right to vote and the right to keep and bear arms - so if illegal aliens have Constitutional rights to Due Process, by logical extension, don't they have those as well?

New poster:
1. Send every Cuban back. Every single one who is here. If that's the criteria, no more touching American sand and asylum for Cubans who ever got to be here for 70+ years

2. Hundreds of these human beings came here and/or stayed during Trump
2017-2021 - nothing to do with Biden.