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Anonymous wrote:If your status has been cancelled or your visa is expired or your permission to enter has been revoked, you have two choices:

Go home or become an illegal.

I have no issue with cancelling benefits for illegal aliens. Do you?

The grownups here are referring to immigrants. They are US Citizens. You know, like your grandparents or great grandparents were?

Not sure how you turned "immigrant" into "illegals," except that you've taken too many MAGA pills.

Right now we have a he said / she said situation. Each case needs to be adjudicated. No one here can say whether these 6k, a few of the, or most of them are here legally.

I do wonder if these folks are people who sought asylum. Didn’t the GOP claim agencies were broadening the definition inappropriately during the last administration?

Just remembered them saying that international law re asylum required asylum seekers to seek asylum in a neighboring country. If they came here to work, the process is different. You can’t claim asylum from several countries away unless you’re a special class (eg, Afghanis who helped the US government overseas and cut a deal in exchange for that help).

If people came

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:If your status has been cancelled or your visa is expired or your permission to enter has been revoked, you have two choices:

Go home or become an illegal.

I have no issue with cancelling benefits for illegal aliens. Do you?

The grownups here are referring to immigrants. They are US Citizens. You know, like your grandparents or great grandparents were?

Not sure how you turned "immigrant" into "illegals," except that you've taken too many MAGA pills.

Right now we have a he said / she said situation. Each case needs to be adjudicated. No one here can say whether these 6k, a few of the, or most of them are here legally.

I do wonder if these folks are people who sought asylum. Didn’t the GOP claim agencies were broadening the definition inappropriately during the last administration?

Anonymous wrote:OH LOOK. Turns out these are indeed illegal immigrants. Sorry: "undocumented."

WASHINGTON (Reuters) -U.S. President Donald Trump on Tuesday signed a memorandum aimed at stopping undocumented immigrants and other ineligible people from obtaining Social Security Act benefits, the White House said.

Some undocumented workers obtain jobs by using fake or borrowed Social Security numbers and pay into Social Security, but are not eligible to receive social security benefits under current law.

https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/us/trump-signs-memo-barring-undocumented-immigrants-from-receiving-social-security-benefits/ar-AA1CZqtz?ocid=BingNewsSerp

This isn’t the owning of the libs you think it is. One, because someone can steal your SSN and fraudulently use it. If Trump’s response is to declare you/ your SSN dead, then rather than resolving the fraud, you lose your ability to bank, have a drivers license of passport, buy or rent a home, earn a living, and obviously draw benefits. Mt BFF had their SSN stolen in the IRS databreach. The correct response was to resolve the fraud, not to legally kill her SSN. And that took months to resolve and was a real nightmare. If she had just been declared dead by SSA, she would literally lose the ability to live or work.

And two because, yes, you are correct. Contrary to the misinformation and hysteria on here, illegal immigrant don’t get benefits. Which doesn’t stop the person whose number the stole from getting benefits while this is resolved.

Also note— the number is used to work and pay into SSA. But, the person using a fraudulent number (or a visa holder with a lawful number), pays FICA taxes, but is not eligible for benefits. Which is one of the main reasons SSA is still solvent.

Anonymous wrote:Under the Biden admin illegal immigrants could get the ITIN numbers after 6 months after applying. The ITIN numbers allow the illegals to work legally.

We helped out a guy from Medellin Colombia through the process.

Unlike common perception it was not easy for him to get cash under the table jobs. He probably applied at 30 places before he got a job. All the business told my sister they could not hire him until he had the ITINnumber as the penalties are very large to businesses not paying legal.

He worked the cash job until his ITIN number came in upon which he was put on the legal payroll.

God - you people are such liars. ITINs don't allow people to work legally. They allow people to pay taxes. It's not work authorization.

Under the Biden admin illegal immigrants could get the ITIN numbers after 6 months after applying. The ITIN numbers allow the illegals to work legally.

We helped out a guy from Medellin Colombia through the process.

Unlike common perception it was not easy for him to get cash under the table jobs. He probably applied at 30 places before he got a job. All the business told my sister they could not hire him until he had the ITINnumber as the penalties are very large to businesses not paying legal.

He worked the cash job until his ITIN number came in upon which he was put on the legal payroll.

Anonymous wrote:OH LOOK. Turns out these are indeed illegal immigrants. Sorry: "undocumented."

WASHINGTON (Reuters) -U.S. President Donald Trump on Tuesday signed a memorandum aimed at stopping undocumented immigrants and other ineligible people from obtaining Social Security Act benefits, the White House said.

Some undocumented workers obtain jobs by using fake or borrowed Social Security numbers and pay into Social Security, but are not eligible to receive social security benefits under current law.

https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/us/trump-signs-memo-barring-undocumented-immigrants-from-receiving-social-security-benefits/ar-AA1CZqtz?ocid=BingNewsSerp

That’s a different story. The OP of this thread was about immigrants with legally obtained social security numbers being re-classified as deceased to encourage them to self deport. The article you linked is about people who are fraudulently using other people’s social security numbers. It was never legal for them to use these numbers, let alone collect any benefits.

OH LOOK. Turns out these are indeed illegal immigrants. Sorry: "undocumented."

WASHINGTON (Reuters) -U.S. President Donald Trump on Tuesday signed a memorandum aimed at stopping undocumented immigrants and other ineligible people from obtaining Social Security Act benefits, the White House said.

Some undocumented workers obtain jobs by using fake or borrowed Social Security numbers and pay into Social Security, but are not eligible to receive social security benefits under current law.

https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/us/trump-signs-memo-barring-undocumented-immigrants-from-receiving-social-security-benefits/ar-AA1CZqtz?ocid=BingNewsSerp

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:If your status has been cancelled or your visa is expired or your permission to enter has been revoked, you have two choices:

Go home or become an illegal.

I have no issue with cancelling benefits for illegal aliens. Do you?

are these people illegal aliens?

No.

You cannot obtain a US-issued SSN if you are NOT a legal citizen. These people are probably green card holders, naturalized citizens, here working on a visa/studying on a visa (H1Bs, F-1s, etc.), all of which are LEGAL immigrants. LEGAL. Keyword. They immigrated the correct way through the correct channels and were issued SSNs so that they can pay taxes and get services.

Just to clarify: a green card holder can have a SSN. When you are naturalized, you are no longer an immigrant.

The legal immigrants they are talking about here are probably asylum seekers whose status was recently revoked.

Cite for this? You don’t have one, because you have zero idea how these people were chosen. We do know that Trump has said the purpose is to make people self deport. Which means it’s highly likely you are wrong. If these people no longer had legal status, there would be no reason to jump through hoops and illegally alter government records to try to force self deportation. ICE could just pick them up and put them on a plane. The only reason to go through all this trouble is if they are here legally and are not eligible for normal deportation proceedings.

DP. Where is YOUR citation to back up your claim that these are legal immigrants? You've posited plenty of opinions, but no real facts - which means YOU also have zero idea.

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:On what grounds?

The word “immigrant” as used by OP, is completely MEANINGLESS.

Did you mean “illegal immigrants” OP? Maybe “aliens unlawfully present in the United States” perhaps?

If an alien is not here lawfully, why should they be receiving benefits, or expect to receive future benefits, reserved for U.S. citizens?

Aliens unlawfully in the USA are free to return to their home countries, where they can begin to pay into their own countries’ social security system.

THIS ^^. Why on earth would illegal immigrants be receiving SS benefits? It's unreal that there is any outrage about this at all.

Anonymous wrote:He could do this any of us.

"The Trump administration has moved to classify more than 6,000 living immigrants as dead, canceling their Social Security numbers and effectively wiping out their ability to work or receive benefits in an effort to get them to leave the country, according to two people familiar with the situation.

The move will make it much harder for those affected to use banks or other basic services where Social Security numbers are required..."

https://apnews.com/article/living-immigrants-dead-social-security-numbers-trump-c10737cbe36e3108fb244a555777d880

People are dead because he says so? I don't think that's how it works.

The SSA is NOT the adjudicator of any person's immigration status.

You know those scams where people claim you owe money or your Social Security number will be suspended? I used to laugh at those because SS numbers don’t get “suspended.” But now they do.

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:If your status has been cancelled or your visa is expired or your permission to enter has been revoked, you have two choices:

Go home or become an illegal.

I have no issue with cancelling benefits for illegal aliens. Do you?

are these people illegal aliens?

No. They are US citizens who immigrated years ago and have legally obtained social security numbers.

Did they enter the US legally?

I really wish DCUM had the feature to pin important info/facts to the top of posts that would roll with each page of the thread. It'd save the same question being asked over and over.

If an immigrant is in the US and has a SSN, they are a LEGAL immigrant.

Illegal immigrants - those who sneak in - cannot get SSNs issued to them by the SSA. I work for the SSA. I know what I'm talking about.

Illegal immigrants CAN get something called an ITIN (individual taxpayer identification number). ITINs look similar to SSNs - their format is 123-45-6789. But they are not the same as a SSN.

What is the difference between a SSN and ITIN?
-Both allow the individual to pay taxes, HOWEVER, only those with a SSN are allowed to collect from the services they pay into. Meaning that only green card holders or naturalized citizens with SSNs who paid into the Social Security system the required number of years can collect benefits at retirement. Those with ITINs can NEVER collect any of the benefits they paid. They can never collect Social Security when they hit 62/67. ITIN holders annually pay around $30mil in taxes - meaning they pay INTO social security and the other withholding taxes - that they will never get to use.

Since the SSN and ITIN formats are the same, I am wondering if what they actually canceled were ITINs. Either way, it's a huge hit to the economy. I would love some clarification from the administration on which numbers were actually cancelled.

Cancelling the SSNs of legal immigrants is literally 1 step away from cancelling the SSNs of US-born citizens. And if you don't see that, I'm sorry that you have a smooth brain.

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:If your status has been cancelled or your visa is expired or your permission to enter has been revoked, you have two choices:

Go home or become an illegal.

I have no issue with cancelling benefits for illegal aliens. Do you?

are these people illegal aliens?

No. They are US citizens who immigrated years ago and have legally obtained social security numbers.

Did they enter the US legally?

Yes. As has been said about 20 times on this thread. You can’t get an SSN unless you can her legally.

Wake up. Millions of illegals have SSN and driver's licenses thanks to open border politicians only looking for hispanic votes whether they are illegal immigrants or not.

The DLs are not relevant here, and you're lying about the SSN.

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:If your status has been cancelled or your visa is expired or your permission to enter has been revoked, you have two choices:

Go home or become an illegal.

I have no issue with cancelling benefits for illegal aliens. Do you?

are these people illegal aliens?

No. They are US citizens who immigrated years ago and have legally obtained social security numbers.

Did they enter the US legally?

Yes. As has been said about 20 times on this thread. You can’t get an SSN unless you can her legally.

Wake up. Millions of illegals have SSN and driver's licenses thanks to open border politicians only looking for hispanic votes whether they are illegal immigrants or not.

Drivers licenses are issued at the state level so that is irrelevant to this conversation.

Nope. Illegal immigrants do not get SSNs. They get ITINs instead. How do know? Because SSA says so. Quit lying. Or listening to your lying orange God.
https://www.ssa.gov/pubs/EN-05-10107.pdfS

Updated link https://www.ssa.gov/pubs/EN-05-10107.pdf