Anonymous wrote:To the people who say USCIS is very thorough, not really. I married someone from another country and we went through the process, we paid a few hundred bucks to company to help put together the paperwork/relationship evidence plus the processing fee. We were never required to do an interview. Green card approved in 4 months. The evidence was nothing you couldn’t easily fabricate. There was no following up.

We also know other people who have engaged in sketchy tactics to get visas, one person fabricated a bank statement showing they have 100k so they can get a student visa. Another person borrowed 50k (this was a few decades ago) in their home country to prove they had the funds to come here but then immediately returned it.

Just from my own anecdotal experiences it seems very common

Sort of like you are fabricatin everything you just wrote. Despicable.

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Anonymous wrote:Not sure why my comment was deleted. This is very common in African immigrant communities in the U.S.

Here is another completely unsubstantiated claim.

It's well known if you've been a part of or around those communities. It's not like they a registry of these types of marriages. If you don't want to believe it, fine.

Fraud is provable. Therefore, it is trackable. So show me some evidence.

This is dumb. Not every crime is prosecuted and accounted for. Doesn't mean it is not happening. Do you want me to list the names of people I know who I know who have been in such marriages?

The only reason this guy got caught was because he is political and an opponent probably put a hit job out on him. Happens literally all. the. time.

https://apnews.com/general-news-9769aa3c7556efad4a15babdfbd206c5

Believe it or don't. I'm not doing any more homework for you.

You're the only one believing things you can't prove. But you think I'm dumb? Do you even know how crime statistics work?

Believing? I know, for a fact. I have seen it. Very frequently.

Enjoy keeping your head in the sand though.

THEN PROVE IT!!!!!! That's all I'm asking. Facts are provable.

Learn to use google. It's extremely common in African immigrant communities, even if the authorities don't always catch it. Your stance is akin to using the number of speeding tickets as an accurate gauge for how frequent people engage in speeding. Silly.

https://www.newsobserver.com/news/local/article230939273.html

https://www.ice.gov/news/releases/nigerian-marriage-fraud-leader-and-2-associates-convicted-houston

https://www.justice.gov/usao-cdca/pr/man-who-arranged-sham-marriages-between-nigerians-and-us-citizens-found-guilty

We use the measures that we have. So if you are claiming that it’s very common you should be able to prove that. You haven’t been able to. No one ever claimed that there are fraud cases. I myself said that this country is huge and the sheer size of the beautocracy would mean some people fall through the cracks. That doesn’t mean that fraud is wide spread or very common. A couple of individual cases that got prosecuted (which just provides my point actually) does not mean that fraud is wide spread.

To the people who say USCIS is very thorough, not really. I married someone from another country and we went through the process, we paid a few hundred bucks to company to help put together the paperwork/relationship evidence plus the processing fee. We were never required to do an interview. Green card approved in 4 months. The evidence was nothing you couldn’t easily fabricate. There was no following up.

We also know other people who have engaged in sketchy tactics to get visas, one person fabricated a bank statement showing they have 100k so they can get a student visa. Another person borrowed 50k (this was a few decades ago) in their home country to prove they had the funds to come here but then immediately returned it.

Just from my own anecdotal experiences it seems very common

Why do we care? These often are women coming over. If they aren’t in any sort of “arranged” marriage within a community, then they’re probably pretty desirable for one reason or another. Or, even if it’s arranged within a community, hopefully they’ll be desirable as well. People get married for lots of reasons.

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Anonymous wrote:Not sure why my comment was deleted. This is very common in African immigrant communities in the U.S.

Here is another completely unsubstantiated claim.

It's well known if you've been a part of or around those communities. It's not like they a registry of these types of marriages. If you don't want to believe it, fine.

Fraud is provable. Therefore, it is trackable. So show me some evidence.

This is dumb. Not every crime is prosecuted and accounted for. Doesn't mean it is not happening. Do you want me to list the names of people I know who I know who have been in such marriages?

The only reason this guy got caught was because he is political and an opponent probably put a hit job out on him. Happens literally all. the. time.

https://apnews.com/general-news-9769aa3c7556efad4a15babdfbd206c5

Believe it or don't. I'm not doing any more homework for you.

You're the only one believing things you can't prove. But you think I'm dumb? Do you even know how crime statistics work?

Believing? I know, for a fact. I have seen it. Very frequently.

Enjoy keeping your head in the sand though.

THEN PROVE IT!!!!!! That's all I'm asking. Facts are provable.

Nobody knows how many people are getting away with this type of fraud so there's no way to prove it. It's similar to fraud related to disability or welfare. Nobody really knows, but looking at how easy/difficult it is to subvert the system is helpful. Also, knowing many people who have beat the system is what the FBI would call a clue.

Being educated is irrelevant because it doesn't mean that you actually have critical thinking skills.

Thank you for proving that with everything you write. Beautifully said, actually.

This is sort of like saying no one tracking disability or welfare fraud. Blatantly untrue, but MAGAts want to spread that lie to make it possible for Trump to do what he is doing. Of course it's being tracked and there are statistics on it. Benefits are taken away, people are being penalized for committing fraud.

The process of applying for a green card is strenuous and long. Human beings are conducting background searches, contacting your home country's embassy to do a search there, asking for a million records to prove that your marriage is legitimate. How many are being denied a green card based on those investigations? How many get provisional ones but not the permanent one? Those things are easily trackable. So just because you don't have a clue about how any of this works, does not mean that fraud is wide spread.

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Anonymous wrote:Not sure why my comment was deleted. This is very common in African immigrant communities in the U.S.

Here is another completely unsubstantiated claim.

It's well known if you've been a part of or around those communities. It's not like they a registry of these types of marriages. If you don't want to believe it, fine.

Fraud is provable. Therefore, it is trackable. So show me some evidence.

This is dumb. Not every crime is prosecuted and accounted for. Doesn't mean it is not happening. Do you want me to list the names of people I know who I know who have been in such marriages?

The only reason this guy got caught was because he is political and an opponent probably put a hit job out on him. Happens literally all. the. time.

https://apnews.com/general-news-9769aa3c7556efad4a15babdfbd206c5

Believe it or don't. I'm not doing any more homework for you.

You're the only one believing things you can't prove. But you think I'm dumb? Do you even know how crime statistics work?

Believing? I know, for a fact. I have seen it. Very frequently.

Enjoy keeping your head in the sand though.

THEN PROVE IT!!!!!! That's all I'm asking. Facts are provable.

Nobody knows how many people are getting away with this type of fraud so there's no way to prove it. It's similar to fraud related to disability or welfare. Nobody really knows, but looking at how easy/difficult it is to subvert the system is helpful. Also, knowing many people who have beat the system is what the FBI would call a clue.

Being educated is irrelevant because it doesn't mean that you actually have critical thinking skills.

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Anonymous wrote:Not sure why my comment was deleted. This is very common in African immigrant communities in the U.S.

Here is another completely unsubstantiated claim.

It's well known if you've been a part of or around those communities. It's not like they a registry of these types of marriages. If you don't want to believe it, fine.

Fraud is provable. Therefore, it is trackable. So show me some evidence.

This is dumb. Not every crime is prosecuted and accounted for. Doesn't mean it is not happening. Do you want me to list the names of people I know who I know who have been in such marriages?

The only reason this guy got caught was because he is political and an opponent probably put a hit job out on him. Happens literally all. the. time.

https://apnews.com/general-news-9769aa3c7556efad4a15babdfbd206c5

Believe it or don't. I'm not doing any more homework for you.

You're the only one believing things you can't prove. But you think I'm dumb? Do you even know how crime statistics work?

Believing? I know, for a fact. I have seen it. Very frequently.

Enjoy keeping your head in the sand though.

THEN PROVE IT!!!!!! That's all I'm asking. Facts are provable.

Learn to use google. It's extremely common in African immigrant communities, even if the authorities don't always catch it. Your stance is akin to using the number of speeding tickets as an accurate gauge for how frequent people engage in speeding. Silly.

https://www.newsobserver.com/news/local/article230939273.html

https://www.ice.gov/news/releases/nigerian-marriage-fraud-leader-and-2-associates-convicted-houston

https://www.justice.gov/usao-cdca/pr/man-who-arranged-sham-marriages-between-nigerians-and-us-citizens-found-guilty

Anonymous wrote:I was talking to a friend and he mentioned that he’s been propositioned several times for a sham marriage to perpetrate green card fraud (was brought up because I’m dating someone here on a visa and things are starting to get serious). He said it’s actually very common in many communities to do this where someone gets legally married and fakes their relationship history, and it’s often difficult for USCIS to prove.

It kind of blew my mind that people will risk imprisonment and go through the hassle of marrying someone you don’t love just to make $10-20k. Why doesn’t this get talked about more?

An obnoxious Asian-American college classmate of my husband's alleged he made $10,000 USD cash to do this! He and the gal were South Korean or Vietnamese. Both age 21 or 22, totally fake relationship. I guess they divorce right after or something? I don't remember the specifics.

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Anonymous wrote:Not sure why my comment was deleted. This is very common in African immigrant communities in the U.S.

Here is another completely unsubstantiated claim.

It's well known if you've been a part of or around those communities. It's not like they a registry of these types of marriages. If you don't want to believe it, fine.

Fraud is provable. Therefore, it is trackable. So show me some evidence.

This is dumb. Not every crime is prosecuted and accounted for. Doesn't mean it is not happening. Do you want me to list the names of people I know who I know who have been in such marriages?

The only reason this guy got caught was because he is political and an opponent probably put a hit job out on him. Happens literally all. the. time.

https://apnews.com/general-news-9769aa3c7556efad4a15babdfbd206c5

Believe it or don't. I'm not doing any more homework for you.

You're the only one believing things you can't prove. But you think I'm dumb? Do you even know how crime statistics work?

Believing? I know, for a fact. I have seen it. Very frequently.

Enjoy keeping your head in the sand though.

THEN PROVE IT!!!!!! That's all I'm asking. Facts are provable.

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Anonymous wrote:I bet every single person responding "yes, it is very common" doesn't ACTUALLY know anyone who got married just for a green card. This uninformed nonsense has to stop.

No, it is not common. Yes, it does happen.

I worked for a few years in a third world country, and it was so dangerous that I could only leave the compound in an armed vehicle. My driver had a sister in a green card marriage in San Fran, and we had another local worker in the compound whose brother was in the US in a green card marriage even though he had another wife at home. These guys talked about these things openly. It is super common in ethnic communities from this country in the US and UK. They have a whole industry of corrupt “agents” who help young men from this place get into the UK, but there is also a thriving tradition of marrying cousins already in the UK to get more of the family there. This is all very real and kind of shocking that it is so blatant.

You're such a liar. There are much easier ways to implement chain immigration than marriage. USCIS investigates green card requests from married non-citizens extremely thoroughly.

Thank goodness DCUM has educated, knowledgeable people who can shoot down your claims. It's sad that you might be successfully spreading this sort of misinformation online in places where people aren't armed with enough knowledge to combat your propaganda.

I am not lying! It is true. Sorry if that offends you.

I didn’t say anything about “chain immigration”: I said what I had observed about green card marriage and some other illegal manners of immigration. This was something I had never seen before and would not have believed if I had not lived in that place either. Oh, and I have also lived in Eastern Europe, and while I saw the “marriage tours” of loser Western men coming to Kyiv to buy a pretty wife, that wasn’t quite the same thing.

What you described is chain immigration yet you don't know what it is called. but here you are telling us you were a witness to it, front and center. Why didn't you report these people to the embassy?

Report "chain immigration"? It's totally legal for those who become citizens to then sponsor other family members. Nothing wrong per se with "chain immigration."

But the fact that you know the term and jump so hard on it leads me to believe you are disgustingly anti-immigrant.

And I think you haven't learned how to read. I didn't ask why she didn't report "chain immigration." I asked why she didn't report people committing green card fraud through marriage if she was privy to so much information. I believe if you thought about it a little while longer, you might be able to understand what I'm getting at.

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Anonymous wrote:Not sure why my comment was deleted. This is very common in African immigrant communities in the U.S.

Here is another completely unsubstantiated claim.

It's well known if you've been a part of or around those communities. It's not like they a registry of these types of marriages. If you don't want to believe it, fine.

Fraud is provable. Therefore, it is trackable. So show me some evidence.

This is dumb. Not every crime is prosecuted and accounted for. Doesn't mean it is not happening. Do you want me to list the names of people I know who I know who have been in such marriages?

The only reason this guy got caught was because he is political and an opponent probably put a hit job out on him. Happens literally all. the. time.

https://apnews.com/general-news-9769aa3c7556efad4a15babdfbd206c5

Believe it or don't. I'm not doing any more homework for you.

You're the only one believing things you can't prove. But you think I'm dumb? Do you even know how crime statistics work?

Believing? I know, for a fact. I have seen it. Very frequently.

Enjoy keeping your head in the sand though.

We are South-Asians and while these scams doesn't happen in our well off community but if you are serious about marriage than family or matchmakers can get you married to good looking high potential professionals from good families. I've seen average looking green card holding men and womem with college degree and entry level job score matches way out of their league.

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Anonymous wrote:I bet every single person responding "yes, it is very common" doesn't ACTUALLY know anyone who got married just for a green card. This uninformed nonsense has to stop.

No, it is not common. Yes, it does happen.

I worked for a few years in a third world country, and it was so dangerous that I could only leave the compound in an armed vehicle. My driver had a sister in a green card marriage in San Fran, and we had another local worker in the compound whose brother was in the US in a green card marriage even though he had another wife at home. These guys talked about these things openly. It is super common in ethnic communities from this country in the US and UK. They have a whole industry of corrupt “agents” who help young men from this place get into the UK, but there is also a thriving tradition of marrying cousins already in the UK to get more of the family there. This is all very real and kind of shocking that it is so blatant.

You're such a liar. There are much easier ways to implement chain immigration than marriage. USCIS investigates green card requests from married non-citizens extremely thoroughly.

Thank goodness DCUM has educated, knowledgeable people who can shoot down your claims. It's sad that you might be successfully spreading this sort of misinformation online in places where people aren't armed with enough knowledge to combat your propaganda.

I am not lying! It is true. Sorry if that offends you.

I didn’t say anything about “chain immigration”: I said what I had observed about green card marriage and some other illegal manners of immigration. This was something I had never seen before and would not have believed if I had not lived in that place either. Oh, and I have also lived in Eastern Europe, and while I saw the “marriage tours” of loser Western men coming to Kyiv to buy a pretty wife, that wasn’t quite the same thing.

What you described is chain immigration yet you don't know what it is called. but here you are telling us you were a witness to it, front and center. Why didn't you report these people to the embassy?

Report "chain immigration"? It's totally legal for those who become citizens to then sponsor other family members. Nothing wrong per se with "chain immigration."

But the fact that you know the term and jump so hard on it leads me to believe you are disgustingly anti-immigrant.

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Anonymous wrote:Not sure why my comment was deleted. This is very common in African immigrant communities in the U.S.

Here is another completely unsubstantiated claim.

It's well known if you've been a part of or around those communities. It's not like they a registry of these types of marriages. If you don't want to believe it, fine.

Fraud is provable. Therefore, it is trackable. So show me some evidence.

This is dumb. Not every crime is prosecuted and accounted for. Doesn't mean it is not happening. Do you want me to list the names of people I know who I know who have been in such marriages?

The only reason this guy got caught was because he is political and an opponent probably put a hit job out on him. Happens literally all. the. time.

https://apnews.com/general-news-9769aa3c7556efad4a15babdfbd206c5

Believe it or don't. I'm not doing any more homework for you.

You're the only one believing things you can't prove. But you think I'm dumb? Do you even know how crime statistics work?

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Anonymous wrote:Not sure why my comment was deleted. This is very common in African immigrant communities in the U.S.

Here is another completely unsubstantiated claim.

It's well known if you've been a part of or around those communities. It's not like they a registry of these types of marriages. If you don't want to believe it, fine.

Fraud is provable. Therefore, it is trackable. So show me some evidence.

This is dumb. Not every crime is prosecuted and accounted for. Doesn't mean it is not happening. Do you want me to list the names of people I know who I know who have been in such marriages?

The only reason this guy got caught was because he is political and an opponent probably put a hit job out on him. Happens literally all. the. time.

https://apnews.com/general-news-9769aa3c7556efad4a15babdfbd206c5

Believe it or don't. I'm not doing any more homework for you.