The reason people are trying to defend this is they fear that because of a small handful of cases like this, all enforcement and deportation actions will be stopped. Which is an understandable fear. Hopefully they can make this right by bringing this guy back but keep on going with enforcement overall.

Anonymous wrote:Can the family sue? Or is the government immune?

Kilmar Armando Abrego Garcia, )
Jennifer Stefania Vasquez Sura, )
A.A.V., a minor, by and through his next friend )
and mother, Jennifer Vasquez Sura, )
)
c/o Murray Osorio PLLC )
8630 Fenton Street, Suite 918, )
Silver Spring, MD 20910 )
)
Plaintiffs, )
) Civil Action No.
v. )
)
Kristi Noem, Secretary of Homeland Security, )
)
Secretary of Homeland Security )
Washington, DC 20508 )
)
Todd Lyons, Acting Director, U.S. Immigration )
and Customs Enforcement, )
Kenneth Genalo, Acting Executive Associate )
Director, ICE Enforcement and Removal )
Operations, )
Nikita Baker, ICE Baltimore Field Office Director, )
)
500 12th St., SW )
Washington, D.C. 20536 )
)
Pamela Bondi, Attorney General, )
)
950 Pennsylvania Avenue, NW )
Washington, DC 20530-0001 )
)
Marco Rubio, Secretary of State, )
)
The Executive Office of the Legal Adviser )
and Bureau of Legislative Affairs )
Suite 5.600 )
600 19th Street NW )
Washington DC 20522 )
)
Defendants.

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Anonymous wrote:He was due for removal anyways and he is back at his home country. What's the problem? His own govt can handle it.

Was he indeed due for removal? Can you explain or provide a cite (or pt me to the article) . If so, I don’t have a problem. I tried to explain to my husband that most people who came and started working and settled unofficially knew this day was coming . I don’t know about this particular case

My super liberal friends hate it when I say things like that. But it’s true

He did not have a removal order. An immigration judge determined he was a danger to the community. Biden sat on the case and never did his asylum hearing.

The administration did not say he could not be brought back, but that judges cannot bring him back.
The administration should demonstrate they are in charge, by bringing him back, then going through the regular process, then deport him to El Salvador, where Bukele will send him back to the same prison for being a gang member.

He won protection from removal in 2019. I believe Trump was the then president.

Anonymous wrote:He was due for removal anyways and he is back at his home country. What's the problem? His own govt can handle it.

COMPLAINT FOR INJUNCTIVE RELIEF AND DECLARATORY JUDGMENT
In 2019, Plaintiff Kilmar Armando Abrego Garcia won an order from an immigration judge
granting him a form of relief called withholding of removal, which prohibits Defendants from
removing him to El Salvador. Should Defendants wish to remove Plaintiff Abrego Garcia to El
Salvador, the law sets forth specific procedures by which they can reopen the case and seek to set
aside the grant of withholding of removal. Should Defendants wish to remove Plaintiff Abrego
Garcia to any other country, they would have no legal impediment in doing so. But Defendants
found those legal procedures bothersome, so they merely ignored them and deported Plaintiff
Abrego Garcia to El Salvador anyway, ripping him away from his U.S.-citizen wife, Plaintiff
Vasquez Sura, and his disabled U.S.-citizen child, Plaintiff A.A.V.

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Why would the Trump administration admit they wrongfully deported him if in fact everything was fine and dandy and they sent this man away for valid reasons?

The final order of removal was an error, just like when SSA declares you dead by error. The Trump administration screwed up, and may well cost this man his life, especially now his name has hit the press.
There should be a way to fix this

It's not clear whether it's fixable.

"In response to the error, the government has acknowledged the error but said in a filing that because Abrego-Garcia is no longer in U.S. custody, the court cannot order him to be returned to the U.S. nor can the court order El Salvador to return him."

Court can order Homan,, Bondi and Noem to return him to the US. And should they decline, he can order them jailed for civil contempt until such time as he is returned to the US. Bet he would be on the next plane.

I doubt the DOJ will enforce this...

Anonymous wrote:Why did have to go to prison?

Because the Trump administration deported him and told El Salvador that he was a gang member, so El Salvador did what they do with gang members.

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Why would the Trump administration admit they wrongfully deported him if in fact everything was fine and dandy and they sent this man away for valid reasons?

The final order of removal was an error, just like when SSA declares you dead by error. The Trump administration screwed up, and may well cost this man his life, especially now his name has hit the press.
There should be a way to fix this

It's not clear whether it's fixable.

"In response to the error, the government has acknowledged the error but said in a filing that because Abrego-Garcia is no longer in U.S. custody, the court cannot order him to be returned to the U.S. nor can the court order El Salvador to return him."

He's still under the control of the US government, they're PAYING El Salvador to jail him.

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Why would the Trump administration admit they wrongfully deported him if in fact everything was fine and dandy and they sent this man away for valid reasons?

The final order of removal was an error, just like when SSA declares you dead by error. The Trump administration screwed up, and may well cost this man his life, especially now his name has hit the press.
There should be a way to fix this

It's not clear whether it's fixable.

"In response to the error, the government has acknowledged the error but said in a filing that because Abrego-Garcia is no longer in U.S. custody, the court cannot order him to be returned to the U.S. nor can the court order El Salvador to return him."

Court can order Homan,, Bondi and Noem to return him to the US. And should they decline, he can order them jailed for civil contempt until such time as he is returned to the US. Bet he would be on the next plane.

Anonymous wrote:Why did have to go to prison?

The strong do what they can and the weak suffer what they must.

Why did have to go to prison?

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:He was due for removal anyways and he is back at his home country. What's the problem? His own govt can handle it.

Was he indeed due for removal? Can you explain or provide a cite (or pt me to the article) . If so, I don’t have a problem. I tried to explain to my husband that most people who came and started working and settled unofficially knew this day was coming . I don’t know about this particular case

My super liberal friends hate it when I say things like that. But it’s true

He did not have a removal order. An immigration judge determined he was a danger to the community. Biden sat on the case and never did his asylum hearing.

The administration did not say he could not be brought back, but that judges cannot bring him back.
The administration should demonstrate they are in charge, by bringing him back, then going through the regular process, then deport him to El Salvador, where Bukele will send him back to the same prison for being a gang member.

His lawyer says that the evidence that he was a gang member was that he was wearing a Chicago Bulls shirt while looking for work as a day laborer outside a Home Depot, which is too flimsy to build a case. ICE deported him when a confidential informant fingered him. There is no established gang connection.

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Anonymous wrote:He was due for removal anyways and he is back at his home country. What's the problem? His own govt can handle it.

Was he indeed due for removal? Can you explain or provide a cite (or pt me to the article) . If so, I don’t have a problem. I tried to explain to my husband that most people who came and started working and settled unofficially knew this day was coming . I don’t know about this particular case

My super liberal friends hate it when I say things like that. But it’s true

He did not have a removal order. An immigration judge determined he was a danger to the community. Biden sat on the case and never did his asylum hearing.

The administration did not say he could not be brought back, but that judges cannot bring him back.
The administration should demonstrate they are in charge, by bringing him back, then going through the regular process, then deport him to El Salvador, where Bukele will send him back to the same prison for being a gang member.

Anonymous wrote:

Why would the Trump administration admit they wrongfully deported him if in fact everything was fine and dandy and they sent this man away for valid reasons?

The final order of removal was an error, just like when SSA declares you dead by error. The Trump administration screwed up, and may well cost this man his life, especially now his name has hit the press.
There should be a way to fix this

It's not clear whether it's fixable.

"In response to the error, the government has acknowledged the error but said in a filing that because Abrego-Garcia is no longer in U.S. custody, the court cannot order him to be returned to the U.S. nor can the court order El Salvador to return him."

Hmm, Fox News sorta reporting this. Although they note Vance doesn't know what he's talking about.

https://www.foxnews.com/politics/vance-doubles-down-after-trump-admin-admits-error-sending-man-salvadoran-prison

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Anonymous wrote:I see now it seems he had a final order of removal . I really don’t understand the knee jerk reactions

take for instance Like the people who do the co ops to pay for bond. Regular def ended in the us being held in custody. Charities pay for bond for anyone regardless of the crime alleged. They do it on a rotating and lottery
. .

that is so ignorant. Actual victims of crimes exist. These co-op bond release people place their “high values” over the safety of others in the community. I am pretty sure these people took over and took reigns of the non-Potus- party. I just can’t get behind this “forced fantasy of goodness” of the world!

These folks have orders in place

The "final order for removal" was bogus. the man was here legally, is married to a US citizen and hadn't done anything wrong.

You don’t know this.

Why would the Trump administration admit they wrongfully deported him if in fact everything was fine and dandy and they sent this man away for valid reasons?

If you are asking this question, you have not been paying attention.

Look up the case of Jerce Reyes Barrios. He did absolutely nothing wrong. Nothing. He came legally and made his appointment. He was flagged for his tattoos and then sent to a prison in El Salvador known for its human rights abuses. HE IS INNOCENT. The Trump administration has nothing on him except a tattoo of a crowned soccer ball when this gang doesn't even use tattoos in any identifying way.

I am begging you to pay attention. We are the bad guys now.

You missed my point. I'm on your side and well, well aware of what's going on and paying attention. The PP said we didn't know yet that Garcia had not done something wrong and I replied that the Trump admin has themselves admitted he did nothing wrong. But thanks for the lecture.

Sorry. I admit that I am feeling a little unhinged. I can't believe this is all happening and I feel like I we are all complicit.