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Anonymous wrote:Shutting down the government actually gives Musk more power to permanently fire people. The Dems are in a bad place and I think Schumer is right. It sucks that the republicans are destroying this country. Let’s stop blaming the Dems. That’s what they want us to.

From NYT article:

“The Republican bill is a terrible option,” Mr. Schumer said in his evening speech. “It is deeply partisan. It doesn’t address far too many of this country’s needs. But I believe allowing Donald Trump to take even much more power via a government shutdown is a far worse option.”

In a shutdown, Mr. Schumer said, “the Trump administration would have full authority to deem whole agencies, programs and personnel nonessential, furloughing staff with no promise that they would ever be rehired.”

He also warned that if the government closed, Mr. Trump and Republicans would have no incentive to reopen it, since they could selectively fund “their favorite departments and agencies, while leaving other vital services that they don’t like to languish.”

It's because of this. Schumer is right. AOC is immature and wrong.

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Anonymous wrote:Shutting down the government actually gives Musk more power to permanently fire people. The Dems are in a bad place and I think Schumer is right. It sucks that the republicans are destroying this country. Let’s stop blaming the Dems. That’s what they want us to.

From NYT article:

“The Republican bill is a terrible option,” Mr. Schumer said in his evening speech. “It is deeply partisan. It doesn’t address far too many of this country’s needs. But I believe allowing Donald Trump to take even much more power via a government shutdown is a far worse option.”

In a shutdown, Mr. Schumer said, “the Trump administration would have full authority to deem whole agencies, programs and personnel nonessential, furloughing staff with no promise that they would ever be rehired.”

He also warned that if the government closed, Mr. Trump and Republicans would have no incentive to reopen it, since they could selectively fund “their favorite departments and agencies, while leaving other vital services that they don’t like to languish.”

It's because of this. Schumer is right. AOC is immature and wrong.

Schumer is being practical.

A shutdown is a far worse scenario for Dems because A) they'll get balmed for it, and B) it will give carte blanche to DOGE/Vought/Trump to eviscerate the govt even more with agency/office/department cuts. In the end, spending gets passes anyway and all you did was make it much easier for them to gut the govt.

The Dems demanding a shutdown are arguing out of emotion and not from a rational perspective. The party is weak right now, the last thing it needs is to be blamed for a shutdown and making it easier for Elon to torch the govt. Dems need a new strategy other than be obstinate and promeote DEI.

Shutting down the government actually gives Musk more power to permanently fire people. The Dems are in a bad place and I think Schumer is right. It sucks that the republicans are destroying this country. Let’s stop blaming the Dems. That’s what they want us to.

From NYT article:

“The Republican bill is a terrible option,” Mr. Schumer said in his evening speech. “It is deeply partisan. It doesn’t address far too many of this country’s needs. But I believe allowing Donald Trump to take even much more power via a government shutdown is a far worse option.”

In a shutdown, Mr. Schumer said, “the Trump administration would have full authority to deem whole agencies, programs and personnel nonessential, furloughing staff with no promise that they would ever be rehired.”

He also warned that if the government closed, Mr. Trump and Republicans would have no incentive to reopen it, since they could selectively fund “their favorite departments and agencies, while leaving other vital services that they don’t like to languish.”

Anonymous wrote:Dems just can’t shake the out of touch old guard. I suppose they will eventually all die?

https://www.npr.org/2025/03/13/g-s1-53681/democratic-rep-raul-m-grijalva-of-arizona-dies-at-77



WASHINGTON Democratic U.S. Rep. Ra l M. Grijalva of Arizona, who championed environmental protection during his 12 terms in Congress, died Thursday of complications from cancer treatments, his office said.

Grijalva, who was 77, had risen to chair the U.S. House Natural Resources Committee and was the top Democrat on the committee until earlier this year. He had been absent from Congress as he underwent cancer treatment in recent months.

Grijalva's office said in a statement, "From permanently protecting the Grand Canyon for future generations to strengthening the Affordable Care Act, his proudest moments in Congress have always been guided by community voices."

Another Democratic House member, Rep. Sylvester Turner of Texas, died last week from health issues.

Grijalva, the son of a Mexican immigrant, was first elected to the House in 2002. Known as a liberal leader, he led the Congressional Progressive Caucus in 2008 and dedicated much of his career to working on environmental causes on the Natural Resources Committee. He stepped down from that position this year, after announcing that he planned to retire rather than run for reelection in 2026.

Grijalva had announced in April last year that he had been diagnosed with cancer, but would be able to continue his work. Despite missing hundreds of House votes, he sought reelection and won easily in one of the most solidly Democratic districts in Arizona.

The seat will remain vacant until a replacement is selected in a special election later this year.

The Democratic primary is likely to be a fierce battle between allies of Grijalva, a longtime Southern Arizona power broker who led an influential bloc of progressive elected officials, and a more moderate faction. Possible contenders include his daughter, Adelita Grijalva, a member of the Pima County Board of Supervisors, and Tucson Major Regina Romero, one of Grijalva's longtime allies.

Democratic Sen. Ruben Gallego of Arizona, who served in the House until last year, said in a statement that "Congressman Grijalva was not just my colleague, but my friend."

"As another Latino working in public service, I can say from experience that he served as a role model to many young people across the Grand Canyon State. He spent his life as a voice for equality," Gallego added.

Grijalva started out as a community organizer in Tucson and served on the local school board for years before being elected the Pima County Board of Supervisors. He resigned from that post in 2002 to seek office in what was then Arizona's newly created 7th Congressional District.

Grijalva prided himself on representing what he considered the underdogs, those without a voice.

A member of the House Natural Resources Committee for more than two decades, he worked on issues that ranged from securing water supplies for drought-stricken parts of Arizona and the West to securing funding for the federal Land and Water Conservation Fund, which safeguards natural areas and provides recreation opportunities to the public.

He also played a key role in writing the National Landscape Conservation System Act and the Federal Lands Restoration Act, which were passed and signed by President Barack Obama.

In recent years, he also led advocacy in Congress for the creation of a new national monument near the Grand Canyon. It was part of an effort to protect the area from uranium mining and to acknowledge repeated calls by Native American tribes that sought to protect more of their ancestral homelands.

He also opposed plans to develop a major copper mine in southern Arizona.

Rep. David Schweikert, a Republican and fellow Arizonan, said on the social platform X that Grijalva "was always very kind to me he had a great sense of humor. As a fellow animal lover, we often found ourselves working together on animal protection issues."

Anonymous wrote:If the government shut down, then all of the Continuity of Government entitlements would disappear. Absolutely no politician wants that. The government will never shut down. Putin has provided Russians with bunkers. Except for the COG fraternity/sorority, we peon Americans don't even have foxholes.

Jesus. Are you for real? Get back on your Thorazine.

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Anonymous wrote:Schumer makes some good points that a shutdown would give trump and musk what they want - more power to get rid of government employees. They can furlough people and never bring them back. The NY Times has an opinion piece by him that details this.

This. F-Elon would have fired every employee that wasn’t essential.

I've been posting that Democrats do not have any leverage, but all people wanted to do was resist, even if the resisting meant Trump got to cut government even more.

Please you do not even understand the process. Your statement is nonsensical. Elon will fire every non essential employee. You just made it easier for Musk and Trump to do it. You are unbelievable.

What would he do during a shutdown?

Show that he is willing to fight. He is not. You are not. I can see your campaign slogans now.

What would Musk do?

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Anonymous wrote:Schumer makes some good points that a shutdown would give trump and musk what they want - more power to get rid of government employees. They can furlough people and never bring them back. The NY Times has an opinion piece by him that details this.

This. F-Elon would have fired every employee that wasn’t essential.

I've been posting that Democrats do not have any leverage, but all people wanted to do was resist, even if the resisting meant Trump got to cut government even more.

Please you do not even understand the process. Your statement is nonsensical. Elon will fire every non essential employee. You just made it easier for Musk and Trump to do it. You are unbelievable.

What would he do during a shutdown?

Show that he is willing to fight. He is not. You are not. I can see your campaign slogans now.

The best thing Dems can do is hold bipartisan Town Halls in every state making Republicans look like the cowards and Toadies they are. Bring home to MAGAS how trump and muck are screwing the country

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Anonymous wrote:And effs over DC by preventing them from spending $1B of the city's own, non-federal money for literally no reason. None. Will come from schools, police, etc.

How much does the federal government give?

Not the issue. They are punishing DC children for no reason at all. Keeping them from receiving our city's own tax dollars.

That's just it, are they your city's own tax dollars?
Is the federal government providing a million dollars, a billion dollars, a trillion dollars, makes quite a bit of difference.

Yes. They are. The federal government does not subsidize DC any more than any other state. But they can't sequester other states' funds away so that they can't even use them.

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Anonymous wrote:And effs over DC by preventing them from spending $1B of the city's own, non-federal money for literally no reason. None. Will come from schools, police, etc.

How much does the federal government give?

Not the issue. They are punishing DC children for no reason at all. Keeping them from receiving our city's own tax dollars.

That's just it, are they your city's own tax dollars?
Is the federal government providing a million dollars, a billion dollars, a trillion dollars, makes quite a bit of difference.

Quick search says 7.5 billion, but I think that is answering a different question.

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Anonymous wrote:And effs over DC by preventing them from spending $1B of the city's own, non-federal money for literally no reason. None. Will come from schools, police, etc.

How much does the federal government give?

Not the issue. They are punishing DC children for no reason at all. Keeping them from receiving our city's own tax dollars.

That's just it, are they your city's own tax dollars?
Is the federal government providing a million dollars, a billion dollars, a trillion dollars, makes quite a bit of difference.

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Anonymous wrote:Schumer makes some good points that a shutdown would give trump and musk what they want - more power to get rid of government employees. They can furlough people and never bring them back. The NY Times has an opinion piece by him that details this.

This. F-Elon would have fired every employee that wasn’t essential.

I've been posting that Democrats do not have any leverage, but all people wanted to do was resist, even if the resisting meant Trump got to cut government even more.

Please you do not even understand the process. Your statement is nonsensical. Elon will fire every non essential employee. You just made it easier for Musk and Trump to do it. You are unbelievable.

What would he do during a shutdown?

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Anonymous wrote:Schumer makes some good points that a shutdown would give trump and musk what they want - more power to get rid of government employees. They can furlough people and never bring them back. The NY Times has an opinion piece by him that details this.

This. F-Elon would have fired every employee that wasn’t essential.

I've been posting that Democrats do not have any leverage, but all people wanted to do was resist, even if the resisting meant Trump got to cut government even more.

Please you do not even understand the process. Your statement is nonsensical. Elon will fire every non essential employee. You just made it easier for Musk and Trump to do it. You are unbelievable.

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Anonymous wrote:That fossil of a Senator has been unable to articulate a clear message for the Democratic Party. This establishment creature is behaving as if everything is normal as Trump craps on our allies, cozies up to authoritarian criminals, ignores ethics laws and dismantles federal agencies. And now this vote to support the Republican budget which has no clear logic.

Dump Chuck and find a minority leader for the Democrats who can lead the party into an effective resistance to the chaos and stupidity of the Trump administration.

Resistance is futile. What we need are better policies and candidates for the future.

Nope. We also need people who can elaborate and REPRESENT now. As well as in the future.

It’s done. Democrats are the problem. We have no representation in this government or this country. I am so upset but I know there is no hope.

Republicans are creating this. Democrats resisting or not is not the central problem.

Your answer shows why the country is where it is. What did the Dems do when there was clear evidence of supreme Court corruption? The Dems controlled the senate and therefore controlled the judiciary committee. Nothing was done. Doing nothing is all it takes to lose democracy.