Anonymous wrote:OP here. I find it interesting that everyone is assuming my child is AAP. My child is NOT AAP.

Where did you get that idea?

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Anonymous wrote:My third DD is in Carson now. We've only had positive experiences but they've also been in AAP classes.

The bus PP about the rape threats was concerning. I appreciate DCUM for things like that, because I could speak with DD and confirm it wasn't happening on her bus. If it had been, I would have supported DCUM and reported it.

Scary. Wasn’t that early lawsuit also about a girl being assaulted at Carson?

No. She wasn’t assaulted at Carson at all. It occurred off school grounds and was gang related. Her family accused the school of not doing enough. They lost their lawsuit.

Thanks for the clarification. But it did involve Carson students, right?

Yes. I’m pretty sure the students who committed the assault were not in AAP and possibly in a gang. All were Hispanic I believe.

So is Carson AAP a completely different school and program than the rest of AAP? Don't your children mix with the normal children in specials? Isn't AAP just 3-4 classes out of 8?

Kids in AAP know who the good kids are and generally don’t associate with the troublemakers. Meaning, your kid will most likely be shielded from some of this stuff.

My child is not AAP. Most children are not AAP.

Most children at Carson are, though, as it’s a huge AAP center. And this thread is about whether Carson is safe. Compared to most other FCPS middle schools, yes, Carson is safe. Are there a few bad apples? Absolutely. But generally the ones committing crimes are not going to be the AAP students.

OP here. I find it interesting that everyone is assuming my child is AAP. My child is NOT AAP.

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Anonymous wrote:AAP at middle school has been an absolutely phenomenal experience for my kid. We truly felt like we were in a bubble.

Again, that's why AAP in middle school should not exist. Because of parents like you and your segregated bubble.

What would you suggest? My 170 IQ kid (a Carson student) who went to Princeton would have found regular classes a complete waste of time. She was very sociable and got along with virtually everyone. But she needed to be in at least a modestly challenging academic environment. Go to private school? I come from poverty and was a first generation college student. I was a scholarship D1 athlete who believed in mental toughness and resilience. I believe in public schools, and strain to avoid private schools. By the way I found the teachers at Carson to be excellent and put significant emphasis on character and conduct, driving home that being smart only counts for so much.

One of the economic factors that drives productivity is investing in the top ten percent, as much as it may bother you. I worked a summer in the 80’s at Duke’s Talent Identification Program, back when meritocracies were not discouraged. Yes the middle school kids in the program, shared with Hopkins, were in a bubble that summer, but they flourished. I did sports instruction for them, and received letters from parents that it was the first time they enjoyed PE without any bullying. In this vein your complaints about a bubble ring hollow. Put another way, is it the case your feelings are more important than outcomes?

That's what Honors classes are for, PP. Obviously. How on earth did she manage in high school where Honors and AP classes are available to the general population (gasp!!)?

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Anonymous wrote:My third DD is in Carson now. We've only had positive experiences but they've also been in AAP classes.

The bus PP about the rape threats was concerning. I appreciate DCUM for things like that, because I could speak with DD and confirm it wasn't happening on her bus. If it had been, I would have supported DCUM and reported it.

Scary. Wasn’t that early lawsuit also about a girl being assaulted at Carson?

No. She wasn’t assaulted at Carson at all. It occurred off school grounds and was gang related. Her family accused the school of not doing enough. They lost their lawsuit.

Thanks for the clarification. But it did involve Carson students, right?

Yes. I’m pretty sure the students who committed the assault were not in AAP and possibly in a gang. All were Hispanic I believe.

So is Carson AAP a completely different school and program than the rest of AAP? Don't your children mix with the normal children in specials? Isn't AAP just 3-4 classes out of 8?

Kids in AAP know who the good kids are and generally don’t associate with the troublemakers. Meaning, your kid will most likely be shielded from some of this stuff.

My child is not AAP. Most children are not AAP.

Anonymous wrote:Franklin is a much better school

I sent kids through both Carson and Franklin (both AAP), and I'd choose Franklin every time if I had to make that choice again. We were much more impressed with Franklin, both academically and socially.

Anonymous wrote:Franklin is a much better school

Oh God no!

Franklin is a much better school

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Anonymous wrote:My third DD is in Carson now. We've only had positive experiences but they've also been in AAP classes.

The bus PP about the rape threats was concerning. I appreciate DCUM for things like that, because I could speak with DD and confirm it wasn't happening on her bus. If it had been, I would have supported DCUM and reported it.

Scary. Wasn’t that early lawsuit also about a girl being assaulted at Carson?

No. She wasn’t assaulted at Carson at all. It occurred off school grounds and was gang related. Her family accused the school of not doing enough. They lost their lawsuit.

Thanks for the clarification. But it did involve Carson students, right?

Yes. I’m pretty sure the students who committed the assault were not in AAP and possibly in a gang. All were Hispanic I believe.

So is Carson AAP a completely different school and program than the rest of AAP? Don't your children mix with the normal children in specials? Isn't AAP just 3-4 classes out of 8?

Kids in AAP know who the good kids are and generally don’t associate with the troublemakers. Meaning, your kid will most likely be shielded from some of this stuff.

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Good one, PP. Have you ever met middle school boys? Smart or not, they are a-holes. The one that bullied my daughter in MS, he was in AAP. F*** you, lady.

You missed my point. I didn’t say AAP kids couldn’t be bullies. I said generally they can spot serious troublemakers. Actually most good kids know who the troublemakers are in any given class to grade level. It is highly unlikely that the AAP crew are going to commit assault crimes outside of school. They are less likely to be involved in gangs.

The kids that are in gangs and are down a bad path - they are not going to be in AAP. Sorry. I’m relating it back to earlier in the thread when someone asked if Carson was safe. It’s relatively safe.

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Anonymous wrote:My third DD is in Carson now. We've only had positive experiences but they've also been in AAP classes.

The bus PP about the rape threats was concerning. I appreciate DCUM for things like that, because I could speak with DD and confirm it wasn't happening on her bus. If it had been, I would have supported DCUM and reported it.

Scary. Wasn’t that early lawsuit also about a girl being assaulted at Carson?

No. She wasn’t assaulted at Carson at all. It occurred off school grounds and was gang related. Her family accused the school of not doing enough. They lost their lawsuit.

Thanks for the clarification. But it did involve Carson students, right?

Yes. I’m pretty sure the students who committed the assault were not in AAP and possibly in a gang. All were Hispanic I believe.

So is Carson AAP a completely different school and program than the rest of AAP? Don't your children mix with the normal children in specials? Isn't AAP just 3-4 classes out of 8?

Kids in AAP know who the good kids are and generally don’t associate with the troublemakers. Meaning, your kid will most likely be shielded from some of this stuff.

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Good one, PP. Have you ever met middle school boys? Smart or not, they are a-holes. The one that bullied my daughter in MS, he was in AAP. F*** you, lady.

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Anonymous wrote:Not in our experience. I have a 12th grader and a 9th grader who both went through Rachel Carson.
Both of my kids were in AAP classes.
When the 9th grader started 7th grade, he actually came home from school and said — wow, these teachers are like real professionals!
Yeah he was unimpressed with elementary school.

Same! Our elementary school sucked in comparison to our experience at Carson. At Carson we finally had teachers who knew their subject and were professional!

You must not have been acquainted with the teacher who video records shorts on her phone all day during her classes. She’s all over social media. 🙄

Link please!

Queen of the Classroom

How is this person still employed???!

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Anonymous wrote:My third DD is in Carson now. We've only had positive experiences but they've also been in AAP classes.

The bus PP about the rape threats was concerning. I appreciate DCUM for things like that, because I could speak with DD and confirm it wasn't happening on her bus. If it had been, I would have supported DCUM and reported it.

Scary. Wasn’t that early lawsuit also about a girl being assaulted at Carson?

No. She wasn’t assaulted at Carson at all. It occurred off school grounds and was gang related. Her family accused the school of not doing enough. They lost their lawsuit.

Thanks for the clarification. But it did involve Carson students, right?

Yes. I’m pretty sure the students who committed the assault were not in AAP and possibly in a gang. All were Hispanic I believe.

So is Carson AAP a completely different school and program than the rest of AAP? Don't your children mix with the normal children in specials? Isn't AAP just 3-4 classes out of 8?

DS is in AAP at Carson. His specials all of his non-core classes are mixed. AAP is not segregated to one team, we know some of the kids from his class that were AAP and they are in different teams while taking AAP classes. Anyone in Algebra 1 H is in mixed classes. I have no idea if one Team is consists of all AAP or not. DS is in 3 AAP classes and all the others are a mix of kids.

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Anonymous wrote:OP, this might depend greatly on whether your kid is in AAP or advanced courses or not. The kids are divided up into teams. They don’t really mingle that much with kids outside of their bubble. Every middle school has problem kids but Carson does not have that many.

Nobody told us the "teams" were separated by AAP and non AAP, how disgusting.

I’m not quite sure how the teams are made but there does seem to be some correlation with academic levels. URMs don’t seem evenly distributed. Carson has many non-URM minority students.

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Anonymous wrote:AAP at middle school has been an absolutely phenomenal experience for my kid. We truly felt like we were in a bubble.

Again, that's why AAP in middle school should not exist. Because of parents like you and your segregated bubble.

What would you suggest? My 170 IQ kid (a Carson student) who went to Princeton would have found regular classes a complete waste of time. She was very sociable and got along with virtually everyone. But she needed to be in at least a modestly challenging academic environment. Go to private school? I come from poverty and was a first generation college student. I was a scholarship D1 athlete who believed in mental toughness and resilience. I believe in public schools, and strain to avoid private schools. By the way I found the teachers at Carson to be excellent and put significant emphasis on character and conduct, driving home that being smart only counts for so much.

One of the economic factors that drives productivity is investing in the top ten percent, as much as it may bother you. I worked a summer in the 80’s at Duke’s Talent Identification Program, back when meritocracies were not discouraged. Yes the middle school kids in the program, shared with Hopkins, were in a bubble that summer, but they flourished. I did sports instruction for them, and received letters from parents that it was the first time they enjoyed PE without any bullying. In this vein your complaints about a bubble ring hollow. Put another way, is it the case your feelings are more important than outcomes?

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Anonymous wrote:OP, this might depend greatly on whether your kid is in AAP or advanced courses or not. The kids are divided up into teams. They don’t really mingle that much with kids outside of their bubble. Every middle school has problem kids but Carson does not have that many.

Nobody told us the "teams" were separated by AAP and non AAP, how disgusting.

That’s actually not true. My child was on a mixed team that included both AAP kids and non AAP kids. But obviously the my didn’t share the same periods. They did have the same teachers for their core subjects.