Anonymous
03/02/2025 21:40
Subject: Pope Francis is in critical condition
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:How do you know there haven’t been women priests? why can’t there be women priests? we are all made in the image and likeness of God.
We are talking about *Roman Catholic* priests. Of course there are for example, Episcopalian women priests. In Catholic teaching, at the moment a bishop ordains a woman as a priest, they are both automatically excommunicated. I’m not arguing that it’s theologically correct, but it has been the unwavering teaching of the Catholic Church, so you can’t pin it on JPII.
Francis has been an advocate for greater respect of and increased roles for women. He is a huge voice for the poor, for immigrants . He’s firmly anti-abortion but has clearly stated that it is not a single great sin that eclipses others, specifically failure to love your neighbor. He chastised Vance for false teaching. He’s been good on the abuse scandal, taking responsibility and creating structures to prevent it. Like it or not, the Pope has big voice on the world stage. I much prefer a voice like Francis compared to what we could have.
Prayer is not like some competition where if we reach the right number the Pope will be spared. Prayer is mostly about our relationships to God and to one another.
I can pin it on JP2. The women's ordination movement picked up steam in the post-Vatican 2, women's right movement era of the 1970s. JP2 then comes in and says, "We are all in agreement and shall never talk about this again" that women can't be priests. What are they so afraid of? Jesus says, "Be Not Afraid", but these clerics are really afraid of women become priests for whatever their reasons are. Then, fairly recently Francis told a group of nuns who asked for women's ordination that they should "go find another Church". What kind of person would tell a group of nuns, "Go find another Church". Really!?!?! Yeah, I agree Francis is better than many alternatives, but making up bs reasons why women can't become priests is seriously harming the Church. Most Catholic women are tired of this bs.
I think “most Catholic women” have exactly zero interest in pursuing priesthood. The women advocating for female ordination seem far less concerned with the ministry of personal sacrifice than they are with the external trappings of power and worldly status.
Anonymous
03/02/2025 21:33
Subject: Pope Francis is in critical condition
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:How do you know there haven’t been women priests? why can’t there be women priests? we are all made in the image and likeness of God.
We are talking about *Roman Catholic* priests. Of course there are for example, Episcopalian women priests. In Catholic teaching, at the moment a bishop ordains a woman as a priest, they are both automatically excommunicated. I’m not arguing that it’s theologically correct, but it has been the unwavering teaching of the Catholic Church, so you can’t pin it on JPII.
Francis has been an advocate for greater respect of and increased roles for women. He is a huge voice for the poor, for immigrants . He’s firmly anti-abortion but has clearly stated that it is not a single great sin that eclipses others, specifically failure to love your neighbor. He chastised Vance for false teaching. He’s been good on the abuse scandal, taking responsibility and creating structures to prevent it. Like it or not, the Pope has big voice on the world stage. I much prefer a voice like Francis compared to what we could have.
Prayer is not like some competition where if we reach the right number the Pope will be spared. Prayer is mostly about our relationships to God and to one another.
I can pin it on JP2. The women's ordination movement picked up steam in the post-Vatican 2, women's right movement era of the 1970s. JP2 then comes in and says, "We are all in agreement and shall never talk about this again" that women can't be priests. What are they so afraid of? Jesus says, "Be Not Afraid", but these clerics are really afraid of women become priests for whatever their reasons are. Then, fairly recently Francis told a group of nuns who asked for women's ordination that they should "go find another Church". What kind of person would tell a group of nuns, "Go find another Church". Really!?!?! Yeah, I agree Francis is better than many alternatives, but making up bs reasons why women can't become priests is seriously harming the Church. Most Catholic women are tired of this bs.
Anonymous
03/02/2025 21:26
Subject: Pope Francis is in critical condition
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:How do you know there haven’t been women priests? why can’t there be women priests? we are all made in the image and likeness of God.
Read Ordinatio Sacerdotalis for a full exegesis.
https://www.vatican.va/content/john-paul-ii/en/apost_letters/1994/documents/hf_jp-ii_apl_19940522_ordinatio-sacerdotalis.html
Asserting that the ontological inability to receive Holy Orders somehow relegates women to a reduced “status” in the Church evinces, among other things, a complete absence of understanding of the sacrificial nature of the priesthood.
Sure, reading "Ordinatio Sacerdotalis" will put to rest any concerns about women having a reduced status in the church, just because only men can be priests. [sarcasm]
Thank you. Complementarianism is baloney.
Anonymous
03/02/2025 15:50
Subject: Pope Francis is in critical condition
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:How do you know there haven’t been women priests? why can’t there be women priests? we are all made in the image and likeness of God.
We are talking about *Roman Catholic* priests. Of course there are for example, Episcopalian women priests. In Catholic teaching, at the moment a bishop ordains a woman as a priest, they are both automatically excommunicated. I’m not arguing that it’s theologically correct, but it has been the unwavering teaching of the Catholic Church, so you can’t pin it on JPII.
Francis has been an advocate for greater respect of and increased roles for women. He is a huge voice for the poor, for immigrants . He’s firmly anti-abortion but has clearly stated that it is not a single great sin that eclipses others, specifically failure to love your neighbor. He chastised Vance for false teaching. He’s been good on the abuse scandal, taking responsibility and creating structures to prevent it. Like it or not, the Pope has big voice on the world stage. I much prefer a voice like Francis compared to what we could have.
Prayer is not like some competition where if we reach the right number the Pope will be spared. Prayer is mostly about our relationships to God and to one another.
*Catholic theology is that women are ontologically incapable of receiving Hoy Orders; they cannot be ordained. The excommunication accompanies the (impossible) attempted/simulated ordination.
Anonymous
03/02/2025 15:48
Subject: Pope Francis is in critical condition
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:How do you know there haven’t been women priests? why can’t there be women priests? we are all made in the image and likeness of God.
We are talking about *Roman Catholic* priests. Of course there are for example, Episcopalian women priests. In Catholic teaching, at the moment a bishop ordains a woman as a priest, they are both automatically excommunicated. I’m not arguing that it’s theologically correct, but it has been the unwavering teaching of the Catholic Church, so you can’t pin it on JPII.
Francis has been an advocate for greater respect of and increased roles for women. He is a huge voice for the poor, for immigrants . He’s firmly anti-abortion but has clearly stated that it is not a single great sin that eclipses others, specifically failure to love your neighbor. He chastised Vance for false teaching. He’s been good on the abuse scandal, taking responsibility and creating structures to prevent it. Like it or not, the Pope has big voice on the world stage. I much prefer a voice like Francis compared to what we could have.
Prayer is not like some competition where if we reach the right number the Pope will be spared. Prayer is mostly about our relationships to God and to one another.
The pope will not be spared from death. He is human after all, just like the rest of us.
Anonymous
03/02/2025 15:18
Subject: Pope Francis is in critical condition
Anonymous wrote:How do you know there haven’t been women priests? why can’t there be women priests? we are all made in the image and likeness of God.
We are talking about *Roman Catholic* priests. Of course there are for example, Episcopalian women priests. In Catholic teaching, at the moment a bishop ordains a woman as a priest, they are both automatically excommunicated. I’m not arguing that it’s theologically correct, but it has been the unwavering teaching of the Catholic Church, so you can’t pin it on JPII.
Francis has been an advocate for greater respect of and increased roles for women. He is a huge voice for the poor, for immigrants . He’s firmly anti-abortion but has clearly stated that it is not a single great sin that eclipses others, specifically failure to love your neighbor. He chastised Vance for false teaching. He’s been good on the abuse scandal, taking responsibility and creating structures to prevent it. Like it or not, the Pope has big voice on the world stage. I much prefer a voice like Francis compared to what we could have.
Prayer is not like some competition where if we reach the right number the Pope will be spared. Prayer is mostly about our relationships to God and to one another.
Anonymous
03/02/2025 14:59
Subject: Pope Francis is in critical condition
Did he get rid of the sex abusers or cover them up more?
There’s no heaven for men who protect molesters.
There’s no heaven for men who protect molesters.
Anonymous
03/02/2025 14:56
Subject: Pope Francis is in critical condition
Anonymous wrote:Also is role in Argenita government. What people see is a man who makes a lot of platitudes and going after others who were corrupt but they aren't really looking beyond the shallow persona hr projects to see his own sins.
Has already been addressed at the beginning of this thread. Watch The Two Popes. This pope is well-liked because he's much more progressive than any of his predecessors. But at the end of the day, he's human and fallible just like any other person.
Anonymous
03/02/2025 14:52
Subject: Pope Francis is in critical condition
Anonymous wrote:Do you folks really care? I mean we all die at some point. He had a good life it seems.
True but he is a good person and I worry about someone mentally unstable using that position to make this world worse for religious tolerance.
Anonymous
03/02/2025 08:55
Subject: Pope Francis is in critical condition
Also is role in Argenita government. What people see is a man who makes a lot of platitudes and going after others who were corrupt but they aren't really looking beyond the shallow persona hr projects to see his own sins.
Anonymous
03/02/2025 08:47
Subject: Pope Francis is in critical condition
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Do you folks really care? I mean we all die at some point. He had a good life it seems.
Yes I care. I’m not a Catholic but he seems like an uncommonly good person and a world leader we need in these turbulent times.
He doesn't to me. I dont know what people see in him. Appearances can be deceiving. I hate Trump but he called him not a Christian which is a fundamental flaw of being a human on earth. No one can say that about someone else and it's a huge mister as a pope both to get political and be blasphemous like that. He vilified a community when they simply didn't want a priest who had been having an affair as their leader and called them out as worse behavior than him. Why would a pope support going against a priest religious orders? Makes no sense. He'd very demeaning to people who don't think like him rather than being loving and I'm sure we will find out at some point that he's gay and has been supporting other gay priests at the Vatican allowing behind the scenes sexual behavior.
Anonymous
03/02/2025 08:38
Subject: Pope Francis is in critical condition
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Do you folks really care? I mean we all die at some point. He had a good life it seems.
Yes I care. I’m not a Catholic but he seems like an uncommonly good person and a world leader we need in these turbulent times.
+1
Yeah, me too. I'm not Catholic either. There is no telling what mold the next one will come from.
Anonymous
03/02/2025 08:18
Subject: Pope Francis is in critical condition
Anonymous wrote:Do you folks really care? I mean we all die at some point. He had a good life it seems.
Yes I care. I’m not a Catholic but he seems like an uncommonly good person and a world leader we need in these turbulent times.
Anonymous
03/02/2025 08:16
Subject: Pope Francis is in critical condition
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:How do you know there haven’t been women priests? why can’t there be women priests? we are all made in the image and likeness of God.
Read Ordinatio Sacerdotalis for a full exegesis.
https://www.vatican.va/content/john-paul-ii/en/apost_letters/1994/documents/hf_jp-ii_apl_19940522_ordinatio-sacerdotalis.html
Asserting that the ontological inability to receive Holy Orders somehow relegates women to a reduced “status” in the Church evinces, among other things, a complete absence of understanding of the sacrificial nature of the priesthood.
Sure, reading "Ordinatio Sacerdotalis" will put to rest any concerns about women having a reduced status in the church, just because only men can be priests. [sarcasm]
Again, the confusion of being in Holy Orders with some sort of social “status” bespeaks a fundamental misunderstanding of the ontological nature of the priesthood.
Anonymous
03/02/2025 07:44
Subject: Pope Francis is in critical condition
Do you folks really care? I mean we all die at some point. He had a good life it seems.