IMO this is a very interesting post.

Shows that your high school's relationship with certain colleges is likely a very underrated part of the process.

And also, which goes hand in hand, that the kid's peers' perception of certain colleges matters as well.

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Anonymous wrote:This is a s/o of the Duke vs Northwestern post below.

Here is what I've noticed at our selective NYC public:

--Top 10% or high stats + hook: HYP + Columbia + Penn (Wharton, VIPER or Engineering) .
--High stats, missing national level ECs or hook: Duke, Georgetown, Northwestern, Brown, Penn
--High stats + normal ECs OR some flaw on their record (like a bad grade or two) - Cornell, Chicago, JHU - these kids do very well with ED to the latter two.
--Mid to lower stats + no hook - public school or T50 possibly with merit. Most parents won't pay full for that level.

S and M are rare (most commonly high stats URM); no one gets into Dart or Vandy, for whatever reason

Curious if this is similar to other selective/feeder schools.

Top Boston day school:
The tiers are almost exactly the same as above.
Columbia is much easier than the above , move it down and add Stanford to the top and MIT but MIT lately only takes minorities.
Add Dartmouth to the cornell chicago jhu group, they love our school.

We have a lot of athletes that get recruited to ivies and they are excluded from the scatterplots so no one knows their stats but they do not take the hardest courses usually.

UCLA and UCB and Michigan and UVA OOS take kids who are above average but not top 10% as well as top kids and are used as targets for top kids.

BC and Wake and NYU love our school and below average kids get in all the time. These are considered safeties for the top kids.

Our school is a test-in private day school which has a 25th-75th SAT range on the profile as 1400-1510. In other words a quarter of the school is 1510+.

OP: Ours is public test-in school - the average SAT is above 1500(!). My DC didn't know anyone with a score below 1520. But of course, SAT is only a small piece of the puzzle.

Duke RD yield less than 50% for a reason

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Anonymous wrote:duke again disgustingly overrated on here

Depends on high school. It’s very hot at our school. A lot of subsets like it - smart kids who want sports, Jewish kids, not a grind but also not an easy a college. it has a full ride for tip top.

Our Val did it ED. Five years ago, that kid would have applied to Harvard or Princeton.

💯 agree.
Same for us.

Same poster alternating posts. funny

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Anonymous wrote:duke again disgustingly overrated on here

Depends on high school. It’s very hot at our school. A lot of subsets like it - smart kids who want sports, Jewish kids, not a grind but also not an easy a college. it has a full ride for tip top.

Our Val did it ED. Five years ago, that kid would have applied to Harvard or Princeton.

💯 agree.
Same for us.

It's super interesting to me how high school specific this all is.

Private HS in NYC.

HYP - we always send 6-10 between the 3. A mix of legacy and QuestBridge with a star student thrown in with national award. The super star.

MIT - 1-2. All QuestBridge or a MIT-specific URM feeder program like MITES.

Stanford - For years was 0. Literally years. Now, something has flipped and they take a couple each year. (as a result, apps are increasing from our school).

Penn Wharton (etc) - 2-3. Top students but legacy helps a lot.

Duke - 1 or 2 between QuestBridge, athletic recruit, or star student. ED only. They like rich kids.

Columbia ED - Loads, like 6-8. Faculty kids, QuestBridge, all kids of athletes, 1st gen kids who parents dont want them far. Dont need to be superstars, but all solid students.

WASP - Lots to WAS, zero to P. Like Stanford, we send apps and they never bite.

Dartmouth - Sometimes 1, usually 0. Just not a feeder, who knows why.

Vandy (ed only), UChicago (ed only) ND, Georgetown, BC, Midd, Emory, Cornell (but not Dyson), Penn (AS) .. great, involved students with 3.8 and 1500 but don't need more than that.

Kids are human beings, not "levels." This post makes me sad.

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Anonymous wrote:Duke’s place on this list is interesting. At our private, Duke is generally considered an easier admit than the ivies and MIT, especially early. When DD was torn between Brown and Duke ED, her CC advised her to choose Duke because she would be more likely to get in.

It used to be a significant help for ED at Duke up until 2-3 years ago. They started the NC/SC tuition break and Covid application surge shook it all up.

yes this. it has changed a lot. RD is harder than RD at cornell/dartmouth/Brown but ED used to be a bit easier and now is around the same since the Carolinas favortisim

nice try. duke is not as selective as the ivies for rd.

I wish I could cut and paste our top tier nyc private scattergram. Duke is impossible RD. Ivies same SCEA and RD - close to impossible but kids do get in

same for RD.
ED though is different--Duke is easier ED than Penn ED and Columbia ED but harder than Dartmouth ED and Cornell ED

Should add Duke ED is easier than HYP. That’s true.

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Anonymous wrote:Duke’s place on this list is interesting. At our private, Duke is generally considered an easier admit than the ivies and MIT, especially early. When DD was torn between Brown and Duke ED, her CC advised her to choose Duke because she would be more likely to get in.

It used to be a significant help for ED at Duke up until 2-3 years ago. They started the NC/SC tuition break and Covid application surge shook it all up.

yes this. it has changed a lot. RD is harder than RD at cornell/dartmouth/Brown but ED used to be a bit easier and now is around the same since the Carolinas favortisim

nice try. duke is not as selective as the ivies for rd.

I wish I could cut and paste our top tier nyc private scattergram. Duke is impossible RD. Ivies same SCEA and RD - close to impossible but kids do get in

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Anonymous wrote:test-in private .. that's interesting

DP my nephew is at a test-in 7-12th private school in the NY area. They submit some sort of scores and have to have WISC IQ scores send too, and apply in 6th. I think that type of school is not too different from governors schools or other privates that are highly selective. They are not typical pay-$ and get in privates.

Both Baccalaureate School for Global Education and Hunter are like that in nyc. But both are public.

i think we have a lot of parents trying to justify why their kid went to duke vs getting rejected at an ivy

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Anonymous wrote:Duke’s place on this list is interesting. At our private, Duke is generally considered an easier admit than the ivies and MIT, especially early. When DD was torn between Brown and Duke ED, her CC advised her to choose Duke because she would be more likely to get in.

It used to be a significant help for ED at Duke up until 2-3 years ago. They started the NC/SC tuition break and Covid application surge shook it all up.

yes this. it has changed a lot. RD is harder than RD at cornell/dartmouth/Brown but ED used to be a bit easier and now is around the same since the Carolinas favortisim

nice try. duke is not as selective as the ivies for rd.

especially vs the endowed parts of cornell. duke’s yield is also noticeably weaker than every single ivy despite merit scholarships, athletic scholarships, and carolina state residency scholarships.

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Anonymous wrote:Duke’s place on this list is interesting. At our private, Duke is generally considered an easier admit than the ivies and MIT, especially early. When DD was torn between Brown and Duke ED, her CC advised her to choose Duke because she would be more likely to get in.

It used to be a significant help for ED at Duke up until 2-3 years ago. They started the NC/SC tuition break and Covid application surge shook it all up.

yes this. it has changed a lot. RD is harder than RD at cornell/dartmouth/Brown but ED used to be a bit easier and now is around the same since the Carolinas favortisim

nice try. duke is not as selective as the ivies for rd.

^ some warm weather kids glamorize New England for something new, same way others want to escape it to south.