Anonymous
Post 01/26/2025 15:28     Subject: CIA is now publicly lending credence to COVID19 lab leak theory
Didn’t this exact news already come out like a year or two ago?
Anonymous
Post 01/26/2025 15:26     Subject: CIA is now publicly lending credence to COVID19 lab leak theory
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:Scientific American (march 2020) article had an interview with China’s “batwoman” and she says that she wondered if the virus came from her lab because it was too far north for it to come from the wild.

So I knew it was from the lab since the beginning.

Scientists suffer from dogmatic thinking as much as anyone. And fauci should have stopped gain of function research when he was told to stop.


This is exactly how MAGA lean toward conspiracy thinking. Her comment does not equate "IT IS ABSOLUTELY A LAB LEAK!" You understand that right? To make up your mind based on that statement is not smart. To say "sure that is interesting" would be more appropriate and frankly, more intelligent.



The ferrin cleavage site does though…


Keep sticking your head in the sand. It’s destroying the country.
Anonymous
Post 01/26/2025 15:20     Subject: CIA is now publicly lending credence to COVID19 lab leak theory
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:Definitely not maga but it never made sense to me that it was NOT a lab leak. Bizarrely huge coincidence that it would have started in the town working on this virus and somehow not been connected to it.


But there are also lots of other coronaviruses in China. SARS and MERs are also coronaviruses. People who live near bat caves in China become infected with various coronaviruses, just depends on which ones get out. COVID was not the first coronavirus pandemic to come out of China and certainly will not be the last either.


Ridleys book viral goes into the lab leak theory. Highly recommend it.
Anonymous
Post 01/26/2025 15:19     Subject: CIA is now publicly lending credence to COVID19 lab leak theory
https://www.scientificamerican.com/article/how-chinas-bat-woman-hunted-down-viruses-from-sars-to-the-new-coronavirus1/

Shi, a virologist who is often called China’s “bat woman” by her colleagues because of her virus-hunting expeditions in bat caves over the past 16 years, walked out of the conference she was attending in Shanghai and hopped on the next train back to Wuhan. “I wondered if [the municipal health authority] got it wrong,” she says. “I had never expected this kind of thing to happen in Wuhan, in central China.” Her studies had shown that the southern, subtropical provinces of Guangdong, Guangxi and Yunnan have the greatest risk of coronaviruses jumping to humans from animals—particularly bats, a known reservoir. If coronaviruses were the culprit, she remembers thinking, “Could they have come from our lab?”


Anonymous
Post 01/26/2025 15:13     Subject: CIA is now publicly lending credence to COVID19 lab leak theory
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:Remeber when the scientific community and people on the left said that even the mere suggestion that COVID escaped from a lab in China was "anti-science" and conspiracy nonsense? Well, well, well:

https://www.wsj.com/politics/national-security/cia-now-favors-lab-leak-theory-on-origins-of-covid-19-eff4e67c

This is now after the Biden Administration opened up extensive investigations into the lab leak theory and the New York Times ran a long piece putting together a very plausible story.

I know the immediate response will be, "How does this change anything?". Well, for starters, it greatly damages the reputation of the scientific community going forward. Remember when top publications like Science and Nature were trying to downplay the possibility of a lab leak? The entire scientific community has been outed as being entirely susceptible to dangerous group think that clearly has a political agenda injected into it. The truth and being transparent do not matter. This should also have severe consequences for China. I mean if country causes the worst manmade disaster in human history that caused millions of deaths, including 1.2M of our own citizens, and trillions of dollars in economic damage, shouldn't they face severe repercussions?


Could this possibly be because Trump installed a conspiracy crank at the CIA?


Yep right!


Biden officials determined this not Trump’s. You people sure do refuse to open your eyes to reality.


Their egos won’t allow it
Anonymous
Post 01/26/2025 15:12     Subject: CIA is now publicly lending credence to COVID19 lab leak theory
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:Remeber when the scientific community and people on the left said that even the mere suggestion that COVID escaped from a lab in China was "anti-science" and conspiracy nonsense? Well, well, well:

https://www.wsj.com/politics/national-security/cia-now-favors-lab-leak-theory-on-origins-of-covid-19-eff4e67c

This is now after the Biden Administration opened up extensive investigations into the lab leak theory and the New York Times ran a long piece putting together a very plausible story.

I know the immediate response will be, "How does this change anything?". Well, for starters, it greatly damages the reputation of the scientific community going forward. Remember when top publications like Science and Nature were trying to downplay the possibility of a lab leak? The entire scientific community has been outed as being entirely susceptible to dangerous group think that clearly has a political agenda injected into it. The truth and being transparent do not matter. This should also have severe consequences for China. I mean if country causes the worst manmade disaster in human history that caused millions of deaths, including 1.2M of our own citizens, and trillions of dollars in economic damage, shouldn't they face severe repercussions?


Could this possibly be because Trump installed a conspiracy crank at the CIA?


Exactly. And no, we don’t have a good source to turn to for information because everything and the delivery systems through which we are delivered information is being questioned.

I’m glad Apple is establishing VPN service on their browsers. Right now, my hope is that they have the money to stand by fighting algorithms that are destroying news services.


Go to Cspan archives and watch the senate intelligence hearings in regards to Covid origins.


Or scientific American American march 2020.

Expand your horizons a bit and you May see the facts
Anonymous
Post 01/26/2025 14:47     Subject: CIA is now publicly lending credence to COVID19 lab leak theory
Anonymous wrote:Trump and his loons were saying China intentionally unleashed a virus to keep Trump from winning the 2020 election. That was a stupid conspiracy theory, and people pointed that out.

The CIA has given a low confidence report that it could have possibly been accidentally leaked by a lab. This was discussed in 2020 and beyond. It’s not proof to the scapegoat-happy crazy stories are correct. This is literally what we already knew.


China did not leak the virus on purpose. No one is that stupid. They would have inflicted a ton of pain on themselves on purpose. That makes zero sense. It is entirely plausible, however, that the Chinese were grossly negligent and careless, which allowed it to leak, causing the worst man made disaster in human history. Remember, this isn't the first time a virus has leaked in China from the Wuhan facility. I believe they were studying either MERS or SARS at Wuhan years ago, and it escaped from their lab and even caused a death. We cannot trust the Chinese do very dangerous research that puts the entire world at risk if they keep demonstrating gross safety negligence. The worst part is that they cover it up and deny to save face rather than let everyone try to figure out what went wrong and where safety risks can be fixed. Again, not purposeful, but plausible it is simply due to catastrophic human error.
Anonymous
Post 01/26/2025 14:44     Subject: CIA is now publicly lending credence to COVID19 lab leak theory
Anonymous wrote:Scientific American (march 2020) article had an interview with China’s “batwoman” and she says that she wondered if the virus came from her lab because it was too far north for it to come from the wild.

So I knew it was from the lab since the beginning.

Scientists suffer from dogmatic thinking as much as anyone. And fauci should have stopped gain of function research when he was told to stop.


This is exactly how MAGA lean toward conspiracy thinking. Her comment does not equate "IT IS ABSOLUTELY A LAB LEAK!" You understand that right? To make up your mind based on that statement is not smart. To say "sure that is interesting" would be more appropriate and frankly, more intelligent.
Anonymous
Post 01/26/2025 14:43     Subject: CIA is now publicly lending credence to COVID19 lab leak theory
I recall the lab leak theory came out long before there was much of any info available whatsoever. Which means, it was just someone's wild guess.

And just because some wild guess later on turns out to be right (and even to this day it's STILL not conclusively been proven) - that does not make the person with a wild guess some kind of genius who is right about everything.

A broken clock has its hands pointing at the correct time for two minutes out of every day, and pointing at the WRONG time for 1438 minutes of every day. Here you are, like a broken clock, trying to act all righteous because your hands occasionally might point in the right direction, despite you mostly being wrong all the rest of the time.
Anonymous
Post 01/26/2025 14:42     Subject: CIA is now publicly lending credence to COVID19 lab leak theory
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:I’m a liberal and I think the lab thing is quite likely. I don’t even know why it’s controversial.


+1


I agree but I think the controversial part is that even though circumstantially we can say it’s possible, maybe even likely, there isn’t actually any proof.


The coronaviruses used in thr Wuhan lab were not genetically similar to COVID, not sufficiently similar enough to have caused the outbreak. At least not the ones in the supposed "gain of function" research. I do not think MAGA understands that there are lots of coronaviruses.
Anonymous
Post 01/26/2025 14:40     Subject: CIA is now publicly lending credence to COVID19 lab leak theory
Scientific American (march 2020) article had an interview with China’s “batwoman” and she says that she wondered if the virus came from her lab because it was too far north for it to come from the wild.

So I knew it was from the lab since the beginning.

Scientists suffer from dogmatic thinking as much as anyone. And fauci should have stopped gain of function research when he was told to stop.
Anonymous
Post 01/26/2025 14:39     Subject: CIA is now publicly lending credence to COVID19 lab leak theory
Anonymous wrote:States confidence level in a lab leak is "low" meaning evidence is weak and even self-contradictory.

This is pretty far from definitive and seems to have been put out just to satisfy MAGA with a bogus "own the libs" moment without actual sound data behind it.


Perhaps, but remember the leading theory in the MAGAverse back in 2020 wasn't that it leaked from a lab. It was that the Chinese Communist Party did it on purpose or some such conspiracy nonsense. For some reason the left conflated the two and considered the lab leak hypothesis to be "fake news," which is unfortunate. No, it wasn't Fauci's fault either.
Anonymous
Post 01/26/2025 14:36     Subject: CIA is now publicly lending credence to COVID19 lab leak theory
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:I’m a liberal and I think the lab thing is quite likely. I don’t even know why it’s controversial.


+1


I agree but I think the controversial part is that even though circumstantially we can say it’s possible, maybe even likely, there isn’t actually any proof.
Anonymous
Post 01/26/2025 14:35     Subject: CIA is now publicly lending credence to COVID19 lab leak theory
Anonymous wrote:Why do so many DCUM posters think it’s so implausible that it came from a lab leak.

Why is that immediate grounds to label someone a conspiracy kook and then discredit everything they say.


I just don’t understand this mentality. People here believe the pee-pee tape conspiracy and the Hunter’s-laptop-is-fake conspiracy, but a lab leak for covid is just too impossible to believe?



Can someone explain this?


Nobody thinks it is implausible, or at least most do not. The early science did not show it was likely. It is also plausible that it came from a bat just as MERS and SARS did. Any MAGA want to consider the alternative possibility?
Anonymous
Post 01/26/2025 14:33     Subject: CIA is now publicly lending credence to COVID19 lab leak theory
Why do so many DCUM posters think it’s so implausible that it came from a lab leak.

Why is that immediate grounds to label someone a conspiracy kook and then discredit everything they say.


I just don’t understand this mentality. People here believe the pee-pee tape conspiracy and the Hunter’s-laptop-is-fake conspiracy, but a lab leak for covid is just too impossible to believe?



Can someone explain this?