Anonymous
01/27/2025 11:04
Subject: UNC out
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:In- OOS
Honors college
Private
Non URM
Full pay
1540
Strong rigor
Humanities major
First choice, fell in love with it but also accepted to HYP which was a surprise. Will have to revisit both.
Picking UNC over HYP was a dumb decision by a stubborn teenager that has impacted the rest of my life.
I hope your kid will make a better decision than I did.
+1 I had a T10 classmate who made the same decision, regretted it, then transferred UNC to the T10. It was a very different education comparison. The PP needs to pick HYP, or any T10, over UNC
Again this was a zillion years ago. There are employers who will not hire from the ivys anymore, particularly HYP. And there are kids who will not attend HYP for principled reasons.
There are no desirable employers that purposely do not hire from ivies. There may be some small chip on the shoulder managers who do not but i guarantee the ivy kids and the rest of the T20 are not looking at these places for jobs. When the top professional schools and top white collar firms have an overrepresentation of T20 and some even target the same 20 ish before other college grads get a look it says all that needs to be said about the desirability of the top school grads
+1. The stated fact that employers are not hiring from Ivies is a myth perpetuated by those who do not attended. I attended and I hire
Well, if we’re using anecdotal data, I have two fellow Ivy alum friends who won’t hire from Ivies.
Anonymous
01/27/2025 09:29
Subject: Re:UNC out
so?
What does this matter?
What does this matter?
Anonymous
01/27/2025 09:25
Subject: UNC out
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anyone with a kid that is currently at UNC or recent grad - would be interested in your experience. DS interested in business or communications there.
Live in NC, and with 80% from instate it is just not seen as a top place where smart kids go, other than the ones who get morehead. we know many top business school grads who struggled to get a job with a starting salary over 75k, and these were phi beta kappa level grads from unc. Unfortunately with Duke nearby the top consulting and other. business related top jobs go to those grads (econ, math, physics majors are snapped up by MBB, jane street, etc) UNC grads either have to take regional jobs or head to SC to get more pay, or go to DC NY or Boston for much less known companies and less pay than the Duke counterparts.
You got any data/ sources to back up the BS you just made up and posted? 1) that smart NC kids prefer Duke, 2) that Carolina grads only get regional or SC job offers bc of Duke being 8 miles away, 3) that Carolina grads who do go to DC/NY/Boston get jobs are lesser known companies for less pay than their Duke counterparts?
Post it. I’d love to read more about it.
That wasn’t my post and I have no clue on any of those claims. Only thing I can somewhat agree with is that top students at the most rigorous high schools in state do feel that way a bit. They pull top kids from all schools all over state as they should, so the sentiment you hear people say about oos kids sticking out is also how the very top at strong magnets and privates feel also. Not all, some, not making a giant claim. Plenty of other top kids just love the school spirit and sports and vibe and would not have same issue.
You know most of the "top kids at the most rigorous high schools in the state"? Every year?
UNC is pulling top kids within its own state just like other very good and super popular flagships in other states (like UT Austin, UVA and UGA) and a lot of it has to do with the fact that those in state kids can get a great education in a fun environment for a great price. I am not sure why people seem to think that NC is full of dumb kids and that top NC kids who pick UNC or heaven forbid NC State aren't smart or top of their class. The same in state percentage can be used for a school like Texas. I don't read the same stuck up attitudes about Texas kids that go there like I do about UNC kids here on DCUM.
Duke is a perfectly fine school and I'd be happy if any of my kids went there. BUT NC kids aren't overwhelmingly picking it or trying to go there and this is supported by their admissions data (usually less than 10% of their incoming freshmen class are in state, this is public info). Duke has started an outreach and scholarship program just for NC kids because they want to actively change that and kudos to them. Duke also is the perfect school for a certain kind of student, and its environment and culture aren't like those at UNC and other in state options. Just like W&M vs UVA (2 great schools, really different in most ways). And that's ok. Grads from neither UNC nor Duke are hurting for job prospects because of the other.
I didn’t say all, I said some, also said I wasn’t making a giant claim and wasn’t signing on to the outcome comment someone made. I agree all phenomenal schools, NCSU is terrific for what’s it’s known for. It’s a common sentiment at some area schools, I think it’s exacerbated by the fact that they are in such close proximity.
Anonymous
01/27/2025 09:18
Subject: UNC out
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anyone with a kid that is currently at UNC or recent grad - would be interested in your experience. DS interested in business or communications there.
Live in NC, and with 80% from instate it is just not seen as a top place where smart kids go, other than the ones who get morehead. we know many top business school grads who struggled to get a job with a starting salary over 75k, and these were phi beta kappa level grads from unc. Unfortunately with Duke nearby the top consulting and other. business related top jobs go to those grads (econ, math, physics majors are snapped up by MBB, jane street, etc) UNC grads either have to take regional jobs or head to SC to get more pay, or go to DC NY or Boston for much less known companies and less pay than the Duke counterparts.
You got any data/ sources to back up the BS you just made up and posted? 1) that smart NC kids prefer Duke, 2) that Carolina grads only get regional or SC job offers bc of Duke being 8 miles away, 3) that Carolina grads who do go to DC/NY/Boston get jobs are lesser known companies for less pay than their Duke counterparts?
Post it. I’d love to read more about it.
That wasn’t my post and I have no clue on any of those claims. Only thing I can somewhat agree with is that top students at the most rigorous high schools in state do feel that way a bit. They pull top kids from all schools all over state as they should, so the sentiment you hear people say about oos kids sticking out is also how the very top at strong magnets and privates feel also. Not all, some, not making a giant claim. Plenty of other top kids just love the school spirit and sports and vibe and would not have same issue.
You know most of the "top kids at the most rigorous high schools in the state"? Every year?
UNC is pulling top kids within its own state just like other very good and super popular flagships in other states (like UT Austin, UVA and UGA) and a lot of it has to do with the fact that those in state kids can get a great education in a fun environment for a great price. I am not sure why people seem to think that NC is full of dumb kids and that top NC kids who pick UNC or heaven forbid NC State aren't smart or top of their class. The same in state percentage can be used for a school like Texas. I don't read the same stuck up attitudes about Texas kids that go there like I do about UNC kids here on DCUM.
Duke is a perfectly fine school and I'd be happy if any of my kids went there. BUT NC kids aren't overwhelmingly picking it or trying to go there and this is supported by their admissions data (usually less than 10% of their incoming freshmen class are in state, this is public info). Duke has started an outreach and scholarship program just for NC kids because they want to actively change that and kudos to them. Duke also is the perfect school for a certain kind of student, and its environment and culture aren't like those at UNC and other in state options. Just like W&M vs UVA (2 great schools, really different in most ways). And that's ok. Grads from neither UNC nor Duke are hurting for job prospects because of the other.
Anonymous
01/27/2025 09:08
Subject: UNC out
I do think based on results I’ve seen over years that UNC is more focused on supplementals than most large publics.
Anonymous
01/27/2025 09:06
Subject: UNC out
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anyone with a kid that is currently at UNC or recent grad - would be interested in your experience. DS interested in business or communications there.
Live in NC, and with 80% from instate it is just not seen as a top place where smart kids go, other than the ones who get morehead. we know many top business school grads who struggled to get a job with a starting salary over 75k, and these were phi beta kappa level grads from unc. Unfortunately with Duke nearby the top consulting and other. business related top jobs go to those grads (econ, math, physics majors are snapped up by MBB, jane street, etc) UNC grads either have to take regional jobs or head to SC to get more pay, or go to DC NY or Boston for much less known companies and less pay than the Duke counterparts.
You got any data/ sources to back up the BS you just made up and posted? 1) that smart NC kids prefer Duke, 2) that Carolina grads only get regional or SC job offers bc of Duke being 8 miles away, 3) that Carolina grads who do go to DC/NY/Boston get jobs are lesser known companies for less pay than their Duke counterparts?
Post it. I’d love to read more about it.
+1. This is absurd.
Anonymous
01/27/2025 08:58
Subject: UNC out
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:I’m not saying they take all minorities. I’m saying the vast majority of those OOS accepted are minorities. Also, for the purposes of college admissions, East Asians are not minorities.
Please substantiate this claim.
Seriously? Schools hide this stuff since the SCOTUS devision. We all know it's true but can't substantiate. Didn't you get the letter from your college pledging ongoing commitment to diversity after SCOTUS? I got it from both my SLAC and law school, which. both have continued to play the URM and race game - it's just now in the essay, not in a box
Correct - nearly every top 30 school has publicly stated that they will continue to prioritize diversity. So how can anyone pretend they aren’t? It’s just silly.
No one’s saying they don’t prioritize diversity, we’re saying you can’t just claim that “only minorities” get in OOS or “the vast majority of OOS accepted are minorities.” It’s North Carolina, it’s not like they need to go outside of their state to get racial diversity.
What’s silly is how quick some people are to claim this without evidence. Though silly isn’t really the word I would probably use for this trash claim.
Yes. The student I coached this year who was admitted EA is white, unhooked and TO even. Excellent writing and ECs.
Anonymous
01/27/2025 08:42
Subject: UNC out
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anyone with a kid that is currently at UNC or recent grad - would be interested in your experience. DS interested in business or communications there.
Live in NC, and with 80% from instate it is just not seen as a top place where smart kids go, other than the ones who get morehead. we know many top business school grads who struggled to get a job with a starting salary over 75k, and these were phi beta kappa level grads from unc. Unfortunately with Duke nearby the top consulting and other. business related top jobs go to those grads (econ, math, physics majors are snapped up by MBB, jane street, etc) UNC grads either have to take regional jobs or head to SC to get more pay, or go to DC NY or Boston for much less known companies and less pay than the Duke counterparts.
You got any data/ sources to back up the BS you just made up and posted? 1) that smart NC kids prefer Duke, 2) that Carolina grads only get regional or SC job offers bc of Duke being 8 miles away, 3) that Carolina grads who do go to DC/NY/Boston get jobs are lesser known companies for less pay than their Duke counterparts?
Post it. I’d love to read more about it.
That wasn’t my post and I have no clue on any of those claims. Only thing I can somewhat agree with is that top students at the most rigorous high schools in state do feel that way a bit. They pull top kids from all schools all over state as they should, so the sentiment you hear people say about oos kids sticking out is also how the very top at strong magnets and privates feel also. Not all, some, not making a giant claim. Plenty of other top kids just love the school spirit and sports and vibe and would not have same issue.
Anonymous
01/27/2025 08:23
Subject: UNC out
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anyone with a kid that is currently at UNC or recent grad - would be interested in your experience. DS interested in business or communications there.
Live in NC, and with 80% from instate it is just not seen as a top place where smart kids go, other than the ones who get morehead. we know many top business school grads who struggled to get a job with a starting salary over 75k, and these were phi beta kappa level grads from unc. Unfortunately with Duke nearby the top consulting and other. business related top jobs go to those grads (econ, math, physics majors are snapped up by MBB, jane street, etc) UNC grads either have to take regional jobs or head to SC to get more pay, or go to DC NY or Boston for much less known companies and less pay than the Duke counterparts.
You got any data/ sources to back up the BS you just made up and posted? 1) that smart NC kids prefer Duke, 2) that Carolina grads only get regional or SC job offers bc of Duke being 8 miles away, 3) that Carolina grads who do go to DC/NY/Boston get jobs are lesser known companies for less pay than their Duke counterparts?
Post it. I’d love to read more about it.
Anonymous
01/27/2025 07:03
Subject: UNC out
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:In- OOS
Honors college
Private
Non URM
Full pay
1540
Strong rigor
Humanities major
First choice, fell in love with it but also accepted to HYP which was a surprise. Will have to revisit both.
Picking UNC over HYP was a dumb decision by a stubborn teenager that has impacted the rest of my life.
I hope your kid will make a better decision than I did.
+1 I had a T10 classmate who made the same decision, regretted it, then transferred UNC to the T10. It was a very different education comparison. The PP needs to pick HYP, or any T10, over UNC
Again this was a zillion years ago. There are employers who will not hire from the ivys anymore, particularly HYP. And there are kids who will not attend HYP for principled reasons.
I mean, you’re really just begging others to mock you with the “kids who will not attend HYP for principled reasons” nonsense.
If they are truly principled, they obviously won’t apply - so the decision is not even in their hands. But even if they did apply, statistically speaking, those kids don’t have a goddamned snowball’s chance in hell of seeing an acceptance from HYP anyway.
Anonymous
01/27/2025 06:52
Subject: UNC out
What about kids who are planning to go to law school? What is the trajectory like out of UNC vs a school like UT or UF or even UVA?
Anonymous
01/27/2025 05:23
Subject: UNC out
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:I’m not saying they take all minorities. I’m saying the vast majority of those OOS accepted are minorities. Also, for the purposes of college admissions, East Asians are not minorities.
Please substantiate this claim.
Seriously? Schools hide this stuff since the SCOTUS devision. We all know it's true but can't substantiate. Didn't you get the letter from your college pledging ongoing commitment to diversity after SCOTUS? I got it from both my SLAC and law school, which. both have continued to play the URM and race game - it's just now in the essay, not in a box
Correct - nearly every top 30 school has publicly stated that they will continue to prioritize diversity. So how can anyone pretend they aren’t? It’s just silly.
No one’s saying they don’t prioritize diversity, we’re saying you can’t just claim that “only minorities” get in OOS or “the vast majority of OOS accepted are minorities.” It’s North Carolina, it’s not like they need to go outside of their state to get racial diversity.
What’s silly is how quick some people are to claim this without evidence. Though silly isn’t really the word I would probably use for this trash claim.
Anonymous
01/27/2025 00:10
Subject: UNC out
Anonymous wrote:Anyone with a kid that is currently at UNC or recent grad - would be interested in your experience. DS interested in business or communications there.
Live in NC, and with 80% from instate it is just not seen as a top place where smart kids go, other than the ones who get morehead. we know many top business school grads who struggled to get a job with a starting salary over 75k, and these were phi beta kappa level grads from unc. Unfortunately with Duke nearby the top consulting and other. business related top jobs go to those grads (econ, math, physics majors are snapped up by MBB, jane street, etc) UNC grads either have to take regional jobs or head to SC to get more pay, or go to DC NY or Boston for much less known companies and less pay than the Duke counterparts.
Anonymous
01/27/2025 00:07
Subject: UNC out
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:In- OOS
Honors college
Private
Non URM
Full pay
1540
Strong rigor
Humanities major
First choice, fell in love with it but also accepted to HYP which was a surprise. Will have to revisit both.
Picking UNC over HYP was a dumb decision by a stubborn teenager that has impacted the rest of my life.
I hope your kid will make a better decision than I did.
+1 I had a T10 classmate who made the same decision, regretted it, then transferred UNC to the T10. It was a very different education comparison. The PP needs to pick HYP, or any T10, over UNC
Again this was a zillion years ago. There are employers who will not hire from the ivys anymore, particularly HYP. And there are kids who will not attend HYP for principled reasons.
There are no desirable employers that purposely do not hire from ivies. There may be some small chip on the shoulder managers who do not but i guarantee the ivy kids and the rest of the T20 are not looking at these places for jobs. When the top professional schools and top white collar firms have an overrepresentation of T20 and some even target the same 20 ish before other college grads get a look it says all that needs to be said about the desirability of the top school grads
+1. The stated fact that employers are not hiring from Ivies is a myth perpetuated by those who do not attended. I attended and I hire
Anonymous
01/27/2025 00:00
Subject: UNC out
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:In- OOS
Honors college
Private
Non URM
Full pay
1540
Strong rigor
Humanities major
First choice, fell in love with it but also accepted to HYP which was a surprise. Will have to revisit both.
Picking UNC over HYP was a dumb decision by a stubborn teenager that has impacted the rest of my life.
I hope your kid will make a better decision than I did.
+1 I had a T10 classmate who made the same decision, regretted it, then transferred UNC to the T10. It was a very different education comparison. The PP needs to pick HYP, or any T10, over UNC
Again this was a zillion years ago. There are employers who will not hire from the ivys anymore, particularly HYP. And there are kids who will not attend HYP for principled reasons.
There are no desirable employers that purposely do not hire from ivies. There may be some small chip on the shoulder managers who do not but i guarantee the ivy kids and the rest of the T20 are not looking at these places for jobs. When the top professional schools and top white collar firms have an overrepresentation of T20 and some even target the same 20 ish before other college grads get a look it says all that needs to be said about the desirability of the top school grads