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Anonymous wrote:Bass left on a political junket to Ghana when LA had red flag warnings for fire due to the draught and Santa Ana winds. Bass posted about the warnings on X and then left town.

What does this say about her critical thinking skills and her notions about what a leader should do at grave times. The first thing you do is show up, not leave town. She yeah, she blew it and it left her open for criticism, a distraction no one needs.

So Bass caused all the fires?

Exactly, and didn’t Bass come back to Los Angeles early?

Anonymous wrote:Having watched Bowser up close, I think its only a matter of time before something big blows up in Bowser's face similar to what is happening with Karen Bass.
For example: 911 has been awful under Bowser.
Just watching the news and seeing how Bass is taking criticism, I think Bowser is going to get her come-comeuppance soon.

I don’t think so. She didn’t make it to 3 terms by accident. You can hate her or love her, but I think people underestimate how many people in the city really support her, and would readily vote her into a 4th term.

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You are making hypotheticals. You also have no idea if Nats park was the sole driver of growth there..which it was. Union Market is a craphole, the Wharf is fantastic right on the water which was an easy win for developers (who also received tax benefits), H Street is really nothing special.

Obviously there wasn't development near LANDOVER because it's a far out no nothing town near zero public transit besides a metro over a mile away.

Look at the major cities, the areas surrounding urban stadiums are key economic drivers. I have been to every MLB stadium and the ones in the city core have fantastic amenities, night life, new development, etc. The ones in the suburbs are horrid.

The anti sports crowd is very bizarre and clearly in the minority.

DC would be a wasteland with zero sports teams in DC proper.

There's a huge difference between building a baseball stadium that will host 81 baseball games plus around 10 special events per year compared to a football stadium, even a domed one, that will host around 10 home games plus perhaps 10-15 concerts. Your inability to distinguish the difference between the two proves you to be an idiot who deserves to be ignored. That and a suburbanite who treats DC like your own personal playground so you don't have to drive to Landover for special events. Screw you.

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Ever called 9-11 lately?

Why would someone call September 11, 2001?

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Anonymous wrote:Bowser puts sports teams ahead of schools.
And 911 has been awful under her.

sports teams = funding for schools and 911

Um not when said sports teams are getting exceptions for real estate taxes, interest tax, deed/recording and transfer taxes. DC Tax payers are covering billionaires for all of these costs AND footing the half a billion dollar bill for the arena upfront.

No wonder some of you think she is a great leader. You're getting robbed blind and praising her for the privilege

Remind me how Nats Park was bad for DC? It totally built up a complete disaster of an area in the last 15+ years. Do you not think those new apartments, office parks, condos, restaurants, generate tax revenue versus the slums that it once was?

You would rather DC lose Cap One Arena and not attract the Commanders? These are massive economic wins and really help diversify DC's economy. You need to invest to create economies. Hist

Do you really know the difference between correlation and causation? Because your post reads like you don't.

I like how Navy Yard has developed. However, it's not hard to imagine that the same development - and maybe even a bit more - could have happened without Nats Park.

Plenty of parts of DC - Union Market, NoMa, The Wharf, H St and so forth - have managed to develop perfectly well without an accompanying stadium.

Likewise, next to no development accompanied the construction of FedEx Stadium in Landover, MD or many other neighborhoods across America where new stadiums have been built.

Public financing of and other giveaways for sports stadiums are a massive scam. There is a litany of evidence out there that shows this. It shouldn't take you long to find it if you are interested in the topic.

You are making hypotheticals. You also have no idea if Nats park was the sole driver of growth there..which it was. Union Market is a craphole, the Wharf is fantastic right on the water which was an easy win for developers (who also received tax benefits), H Street is really nothing special.

Obviously there wasn't development near LANDOVER because it's a far out no nothing town near zero public transit besides a metro over a mile away.

Look at the major cities, the areas surrounding urban stadiums are key economic drivers. I have been to every MLB stadium and the ones in the city core have fantastic amenities, night life, new development, etc. The ones in the suburbs are horrid.

The anti sports crowd is very bizarre and clearly in the minority.

DC would be a wasteland with zero sports teams in DC proper.

This is actually hilarious. You can stand in the neighborhoods surrounding Nats park and it looks like a developing country.

....did you visit there 20 years ago? It was a crack den

Nope, last baseball season. Parking your car on neighborhood streets and praying the windows don't get busted while you're enjoying the game. Gotta love DC!

You could take Metro, then you wouldn't have to worry. Just saying.

Oh hell no - Been on the red line towards Glenmont lately in the evening? It's a worry.

This worrying sounds like a you problem.

Naw, it's an us problem.

dedicated s/b deficate

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Anonymous wrote:Bowser puts sports teams ahead of schools.
And 911 has been awful under her.

sports teams = funding for schools and 911

Um not when said sports teams are getting exceptions for real estate taxes, interest tax, deed/recording and transfer taxes. DC Tax payers are covering billionaires for all of these costs AND footing the half a billion dollar bill for the arena upfront.

No wonder some of you think she is a great leader. You're getting robbed blind and praising her for the privilege

Remind me how Nats Park was bad for DC? It totally built up a complete disaster of an area in the last 15+ years. Do you not think those new apartments, office parks, condos, restaurants, generate tax revenue versus the slums that it once was?

You would rather DC lose Cap One Arena and not attract the Commanders? These are massive economic wins and really help diversify DC's economy. You need to invest to create economies. Hist

Do you really know the difference between correlation and causation? Because your post reads like you don't.

I like how Navy Yard has developed. However, it's not hard to imagine that the same development - and maybe even a bit more - could have happened without Nats Park.

Plenty of parts of DC - Union Market, NoMa, The Wharf, H St and so forth - have managed to develop perfectly well without an accompanying stadium.

Likewise, next to no development accompanied the construction of FedEx Stadium in Landover, MD or many other neighborhoods across America where new stadiums have been built.

Public financing of and other giveaways for sports stadiums are a massive scam. There is a litany of evidence out there that shows this. It shouldn't take you long to find it if you are interested in the topic.

You are making hypotheticals. You also have no idea if Nats park was the sole driver of growth there..which it was. Union Market is a craphole, the Wharf is fantastic right on the water which was an easy win for developers (who also received tax benefits), H Street is really nothing special.

Obviously there wasn't development near LANDOVER because it's a far out no nothing town near zero public transit besides a metro over a mile away.

Look at the major cities, the areas surrounding urban stadiums are key economic drivers. I have been to every MLB stadium and the ones in the city core have fantastic amenities, night life, new development, etc. The ones in the suburbs are horrid.

The anti sports crowd is very bizarre and clearly in the minority.

DC would be a wasteland with zero sports teams in DC proper.

This is actually hilarious. You can stand in the neighborhoods surrounding Nats park and it looks like a developing country.

....did you visit there 20 years ago? It was a crack den

Nope, last baseball season. Parking your car on neighborhood streets and praying the windows don't get busted while you're enjoying the game. Gotta love DC!

You could take Metro, then you wouldn't have to worry. Just saying.

After sharing a train recently with a grown ass adult man who dedicated (yes!) on a seat in front of me and then exited the train I will NEVER ride the metro again. I have ridden it for thirty plus years, and have lived through its' decline and just can't any longer. Good luck out there.

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Anonymous wrote:Bowser puts sports teams ahead of schools.
And 911 has been awful under her.

sports teams = funding for schools and 911

Um not when said sports teams are getting exceptions for real estate taxes, interest tax, deed/recording and transfer taxes. DC Tax payers are covering billionaires for all of these costs AND footing the half a billion dollar bill for the arena upfront.

No wonder some of you think she is a great leader. You're getting robbed blind and praising her for the privilege

Remind me how Nats Park was bad for DC? It totally built up a complete disaster of an area in the last 15+ years. Do you not think those new apartments, office parks, condos, restaurants, generate tax revenue versus the slums that it once was?

You would rather DC lose Cap One Arena and not attract the Commanders? These are massive economic wins and really help diversify DC's economy. You need to invest to create economies. Hist

Do you really know the difference between correlation and causation? Because your post reads like you don't.

I like how Navy Yard has developed. However, it's not hard to imagine that the same development - and maybe even a bit more - could have happened without Nats Park.

Plenty of parts of DC - Union Market, NoMa, The Wharf, H St and so forth - have managed to develop perfectly well without an accompanying stadium.

Likewise, next to no development accompanied the construction of FedEx Stadium in Landover, MD or many other neighborhoods across America where new stadiums have been built.

Public financing of and other giveaways for sports stadiums are a massive scam. There is a litany of evidence out there that shows this. It shouldn't take you long to find it if you are interested in the topic.

You are making hypotheticals. You also have no idea if Nats park was the sole driver of growth there..which it was. Union Market is a craphole, the Wharf is fantastic right on the water which was an easy win for developers (who also received tax benefits), H Street is really nothing special.

Obviously there wasn't development near LANDOVER because it's a far out no nothing town near zero public transit besides a metro over a mile away.

Look at the major cities, the areas surrounding urban stadiums are key economic drivers. I have been to every MLB stadium and the ones in the city core have fantastic amenities, night life, new development, etc. The ones in the suburbs are horrid.

The anti sports crowd is very bizarre and clearly in the minority.

DC would be a wasteland with zero sports teams in DC proper.

This is actually hilarious. You can stand in the neighborhoods surrounding Nats park and it looks like a developing country.

....did you visit there 20 years ago? It was a crack den

Nope, last baseball season. Parking your car on neighborhood streets and praying the windows don't get busted while you're enjoying the game. Gotta love DC!

You could take Metro, then you wouldn't have to worry. Just saying.

Oh hell no - Been on the red line towards Glenmont lately in the evening? It's a worry.

This worrying sounds like a you problem.

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Anonymous wrote:Bowser puts sports teams ahead of schools.
And 911 has been awful under her.

sports teams = funding for schools and 911

Um not when said sports teams are getting exceptions for real estate taxes, interest tax, deed/recording and transfer taxes. DC Tax payers are covering billionaires for all of these costs AND footing the half a billion dollar bill for the arena upfront.

No wonder some of you think she is a great leader. You're getting robbed blind and praising her for the privilege

Remind me how Nats Park was bad for DC? It totally built up a complete disaster of an area in the last 15+ years. Do you not think those new apartments, office parks, condos, restaurants, generate tax revenue versus the slums that it once was?

You would rather DC lose Cap One Arena and not attract the Commanders? These are massive economic wins and really help diversify DC's economy. You need to invest to create economies. Hist

Do you really know the difference between correlation and causation? Because your post reads like you don't.

I like how Navy Yard has developed. However, it's not hard to imagine that the same development - and maybe even a bit more - could have happened without Nats Park.

Plenty of parts of DC - Union Market, NoMa, The Wharf, H St and so forth - have managed to develop perfectly well without an accompanying stadium.

Likewise, next to no development accompanied the construction of FedEx Stadium in Landover, MD or many other neighborhoods across America where new stadiums have been built.

Public financing of and other giveaways for sports stadiums are a massive scam. There is a litany of evidence out there that shows this. It shouldn't take you long to find it if you are interested in the topic.

You are making hypotheticals. You also have no idea if Nats park was the sole driver of growth there..which it was. Union Market is a craphole, the Wharf is fantastic right on the water which was an easy win for developers (who also received tax benefits), H Street is really nothing special.

Obviously there wasn't development near LANDOVER because it's a far out no nothing town near zero public transit besides a metro over a mile away.

Look at the major cities, the areas surrounding urban stadiums are key economic drivers. I have been to every MLB stadium and the ones in the city core have fantastic amenities, night life, new development, etc. The ones in the suburbs are horrid.

The anti sports crowd is very bizarre and clearly in the minority.

DC would be a wasteland with zero sports teams in DC proper.

This is actually hilarious. You can stand in the neighborhoods surrounding Nats park and it looks like a developing country.

....did you visit there 20 years ago? It was a crack den

Nope, last baseball season. Parking your car on neighborhood streets and praying the windows don't get busted while you're enjoying the game. Gotta love DC!

You could take Metro, then you wouldn't have to worry. Just saying.

Oh hell no - Been on the red line towards Glenmont lately in the evening? It's a worry.

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Anonymous wrote:Bowser puts sports teams ahead of schools.
And 911 has been awful under her.

sports teams = funding for schools and 911

Um not when said sports teams are getting exceptions for real estate taxes, interest tax, deed/recording and transfer taxes. DC Tax payers are covering billionaires for all of these costs AND footing the half a billion dollar bill for the arena upfront.

No wonder some of you think she is a great leader. You're getting robbed blind and praising her for the privilege

Remind me how Nats Park was bad for DC? It totally built up a complete disaster of an area in the last 15+ years. Do you not think those new apartments, office parks, condos, restaurants, generate tax revenue versus the slums that it once was?

You would rather DC lose Cap One Arena and not attract the Commanders? These are massive economic wins and really help diversify DC's economy. You need to invest to create economies. Hist

Do you really know the difference between correlation and causation? Because your post reads like you don't.

I like how Navy Yard has developed. However, it's not hard to imagine that the same development - and maybe even a bit more - could have happened without Nats Park.

Plenty of parts of DC - Union Market, NoMa, The Wharf, H St and so forth - have managed to develop perfectly well without an accompanying stadium.

Likewise, next to no development accompanied the construction of FedEx Stadium in Landover, MD or many other neighborhoods across America where new stadiums have been built.

Public financing of and other giveaways for sports stadiums are a massive scam. There is a litany of evidence out there that shows this. It shouldn't take you long to find it if you are interested in the topic.

You are making hypotheticals. You also have no idea if Nats park was the sole driver of growth there..which it was. Union Market is a craphole, the Wharf is fantastic right on the water which was an easy win for developers (who also received tax benefits), H Street is really nothing special.

Obviously there wasn't development near LANDOVER because it's a far out no nothing town near zero public transit besides a metro over a mile away.

Look at the major cities, the areas surrounding urban stadiums are key economic drivers. I have been to every MLB stadium and the ones in the city core have fantastic amenities, night life, new development, etc. The ones in the suburbs are horrid.

The anti sports crowd is very bizarre and clearly in the minority.

DC would be a wasteland with zero sports teams in DC proper.

This is actually hilarious. You can stand in the neighborhoods surrounding Nats park and it looks like a developing country.

This is true. Somehow all the well-paying jobs and fancy development that Nats Park brought to the area managed to completely skip over the nearby neighborhoods most in need of those things.

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Anonymous wrote:Bowser puts sports teams ahead of schools.
And 911 has been awful under her.

sports teams = funding for schools and 911

Um not when said sports teams are getting exceptions for real estate taxes, interest tax, deed/recording and transfer taxes. DC Tax payers are covering billionaires for all of these costs AND footing the half a billion dollar bill for the arena upfront.

No wonder some of you think she is a great leader. You're getting robbed blind and praising her for the privilege

Remind me how Nats Park was bad for DC? It totally built up a complete disaster of an area in the last 15+ years. Do you not think those new apartments, office parks, condos, restaurants, generate tax revenue versus the slums that it once was?

You would rather DC lose Cap One Arena and not attract the Commanders? These are massive economic wins and really help diversify DC's economy. You need to invest to create economies. Hist

Do you really know the difference between correlation and causation? Because your post reads like you don't.

I like how Navy Yard has developed. However, it's not hard to imagine that the same development - and maybe even a bit more - could have happened without Nats Park.

Plenty of parts of DC - Union Market, NoMa, The Wharf, H St and so forth - have managed to develop perfectly well without an accompanying stadium.

Likewise, next to no development accompanied the construction of FedEx Stadium in Landover, MD or many other neighborhoods across America where new stadiums have been built.

Public financing of and other giveaways for sports stadiums are a massive scam. There is a litany of evidence out there that shows this. It shouldn't take you long to find it if you are interested in the topic.

You are making hypotheticals. You also have no idea if Nats park was the sole driver of growth there..which it was. Union Market is a craphole, the Wharf is fantastic right on the water which was an easy win for developers (who also received tax benefits), H Street is really nothing special.

Obviously there wasn't development near LANDOVER because it's a far out no nothing town near zero public transit besides a metro over a mile away.

Look at the major cities, the areas surrounding urban stadiums are key economic drivers. I have been to every MLB stadium and the ones in the city core have fantastic amenities, night life, new development, etc. The ones in the suburbs are horrid.

The anti sports crowd is very bizarre and clearly in the minority.

DC would be a wasteland with zero sports teams in DC proper.

I'm sorry, but it's hard to describe what you've written here as anything other than arrant nonsense.

You argue specific examples like Nats Park, FedEx Stadium, and so on until the cows come home, but research on the economic impacts of stadiums is unequivocal that they represent a colossal waste of public money.

If you want to create jobs and develop a city, we know - with almost absolute certainty - that there are infinite ways of achieving that more effectively than pouring millions or even billions of public funds into a stadium.

If the only thing you really care about is how convenient it is to get from your house to the stadium, then of course you would want a stadium. But please don't be so disrespectful as clothe your naked self-interest in a bunch of stupid claims about "urban stadiums [being] key economic drivers".

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Anonymous wrote:Bowser puts sports teams ahead of schools.
And 911 has been awful under her.

sports teams = funding for schools and 911

Um not when said sports teams are getting exceptions for real estate taxes, interest tax, deed/recording and transfer taxes. DC Tax payers are covering billionaires for all of these costs AND footing the half a billion dollar bill for the arena upfront.

No wonder some of you think she is a great leader. You're getting robbed blind and praising her for the privilege

Remind me how Nats Park was bad for DC? It totally built up a complete disaster of an area in the last 15+ years. Do you not think those new apartments, office parks, condos, restaurants, generate tax revenue versus the slums that it once was?

You would rather DC lose Cap One Arena and not attract the Commanders? These are massive economic wins and really help diversify DC's economy. You need to invest to create economies. Hist

Do you really know the difference between correlation and causation? Because your post reads like you don't.

I like how Navy Yard has developed. However, it's not hard to imagine that the same development - and maybe even a bit more - could have happened without Nats Park.

Plenty of parts of DC - Union Market, NoMa, The Wharf, H St and so forth - have managed to develop perfectly well without an accompanying stadium.

Likewise, next to no development accompanied the construction of FedEx Stadium in Landover, MD or many other neighborhoods across America where new stadiums have been built.

Public financing of and other giveaways for sports stadiums are a massive scam. There is a litany of evidence out there that shows this. It shouldn't take you long to find it if you are interested in the topic.

You are making hypotheticals. You also have no idea if Nats park was the sole driver of growth there..which it was. Union Market is a craphole, the Wharf is fantastic right on the water which was an easy win for developers (who also received tax benefits), H Street is really nothing special.

Obviously there wasn't development near LANDOVER because it's a far out no nothing town near zero public transit besides a metro over a mile away.

Look at the major cities, the areas surrounding urban stadiums are key economic drivers. I have been to every MLB stadium and the ones in the city core have fantastic amenities, night life, new development, etc. The ones in the suburbs are horrid.

The anti sports crowd is very bizarre and clearly in the minority.

DC would be a wasteland with zero sports teams in DC proper.

This is actually hilarious. You can stand in the neighborhoods surrounding Nats park and it looks like a developing country.

....did you visit there 20 years ago? It was a crack den

Nope, last baseball season. Parking your car on neighborhood streets and praying the windows don't get busted while you're enjoying the game. Gotta love DC!

You could take Metro, then you wouldn't have to worry. Just saying.

Well sure but the post I was responding to was touting how great stadiums are for the surrounding neighborhoods ("fantastic amenities, night life, new development") and I was pointing out that you can be standing yards away from the stadium and see what still lurks pretty close to the surface of the facade.

Which is what, specifically?

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Anonymous wrote:Bowser puts sports teams ahead of schools.
And 911 has been awful under her.

sports teams = funding for schools and 911

Um not when said sports teams are getting exceptions for real estate taxes, interest tax, deed/recording and transfer taxes. DC Tax payers are covering billionaires for all of these costs AND footing the half a billion dollar bill for the arena upfront.

No wonder some of you think she is a great leader. You're getting robbed blind and praising her for the privilege

Remind me how Nats Park was bad for DC? It totally built up a complete disaster of an area in the last 15+ years. Do you not think those new apartments, office parks, condos, restaurants, generate tax revenue versus the slums that it once was?

You would rather DC lose Cap One Arena and not attract the Commanders? These are massive economic wins and really help diversify DC's economy. You need to invest to create economies. Hist

Do you really know the difference between correlation and causation? Because your post reads like you don't.

I like how Navy Yard has developed. However, it's not hard to imagine that the same development - and maybe even a bit more - could have happened without Nats Park.

Plenty of parts of DC - Union Market, NoMa, The Wharf, H St and so forth - have managed to develop perfectly well without an accompanying stadium.

Likewise, next to no development accompanied the construction of FedEx Stadium in Landover, MD or many other neighborhoods across America where new stadiums have been built.

Public financing of and other giveaways for sports stadiums are a massive scam. There is a litany of evidence out there that shows this. It shouldn't take you long to find it if you are interested in the topic.

You are making hypotheticals. You also have no idea if Nats park was the sole driver of growth there..which it was. Union Market is a craphole, the Wharf is fantastic right on the water which was an easy win for developers (who also received tax benefits), H Street is really nothing special.

Obviously there wasn't development near LANDOVER because it's a far out no nothing town near zero public transit besides a metro over a mile away.

Look at the major cities, the areas surrounding urban stadiums are key economic drivers. I have been to every MLB stadium and the ones in the city core have fantastic amenities, night life, new development, etc. The ones in the suburbs are horrid.

The anti sports crowd is very bizarre and clearly in the minority.

DC would be a wasteland with zero sports teams in DC proper.

This is actually hilarious. You can stand in the neighborhoods surrounding Nats park and it looks like a developing country.

....did you visit there 20 years ago? It was a crack den

Nope, last baseball season. Parking your car on neighborhood streets and praying the windows don't get busted while you're enjoying the game. Gotta love DC!

You could take Metro, then you wouldn't have to worry. Just saying.

Well sure but the post I was responding to was touting how great stadiums are for the surrounding neighborhoods ("fantastic amenities, night life, new development") and I was pointing out that you can be standing yards away from the stadium and see what still lurks pretty close to the surface of the facade.

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Anonymous wrote:Bowser puts sports teams ahead of schools.
And 911 has been awful under her.

sports teams = funding for schools and 911

Um not when said sports teams are getting exceptions for real estate taxes, interest tax, deed/recording and transfer taxes. DC Tax payers are covering billionaires for all of these costs AND footing the half a billion dollar bill for the arena upfront.

No wonder some of you think she is a great leader. You're getting robbed blind and praising her for the privilege

Remind me how Nats Park was bad for DC? It totally built up a complete disaster of an area in the last 15+ years. Do you not think those new apartments, office parks, condos, restaurants, generate tax revenue versus the slums that it once was?

You would rather DC lose Cap One Arena and not attract the Commanders? These are massive economic wins and really help diversify DC's economy. You need to invest to create economies. Hist

Do you really know the difference between correlation and causation? Because your post reads like you don't.

I like how Navy Yard has developed. However, it's not hard to imagine that the same development - and maybe even a bit more - could have happened without Nats Park.

Plenty of parts of DC - Union Market, NoMa, The Wharf, H St and so forth - have managed to develop perfectly well without an accompanying stadium.

Likewise, next to no development accompanied the construction of FedEx Stadium in Landover, MD or many other neighborhoods across America where new stadiums have been built.

Public financing of and other giveaways for sports stadiums are a massive scam. There is a litany of evidence out there that shows this. It shouldn't take you long to find it if you are interested in the topic.

You are making hypotheticals. You also have no idea if Nats park was the sole driver of growth there..which it was. Union Market is a craphole, the Wharf is fantastic right on the water which was an easy win for developers (who also received tax benefits), H Street is really nothing special.

Obviously there wasn't development near LANDOVER because it's a far out no nothing town near zero public transit besides a metro over a mile away.

Look at the major cities, the areas surrounding urban stadiums are key economic drivers. I have been to every MLB stadium and the ones in the city core have fantastic amenities, night life, new development, etc. The ones in the suburbs are horrid.

The anti sports crowd is very bizarre and clearly in the minority.

DC would be a wasteland with zero sports teams in DC proper.

This is actually hilarious. You can stand in the neighborhoods surrounding Nats park and it looks like a developing country.

....did you visit there 20 years ago? It was a crack den

Nope, last baseball season. Parking your car on neighborhood streets and praying the windows don't get busted while you're enjoying the game. Gotta love DC!

You could take Metro, then you wouldn't have to worry. Just saying.

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Anonymous wrote:Bowser puts sports teams ahead of schools.
And 911 has been awful under her.

sports teams = funding for schools and 911

Um not when said sports teams are getting exceptions for real estate taxes, interest tax, deed/recording and transfer taxes. DC Tax payers are covering billionaires for all of these costs AND footing the half a billion dollar bill for the arena upfront.

No wonder some of you think she is a great leader. You're getting robbed blind and praising her for the privilege

Remind me how Nats Park was bad for DC? It totally built up a complete disaster of an area in the last 15+ years. Do you not think those new apartments, office parks, condos, restaurants, generate tax revenue versus the slums that it once was?

You would rather DC lose Cap One Arena and not attract the Commanders? These are massive economic wins and really help diversify DC's economy. You need to invest to create economies. Hist

Do you really know the difference between correlation and causation? Because your post reads like you don't.

I like how Navy Yard has developed. However, it's not hard to imagine that the same development - and maybe even a bit more - could have happened without Nats Park.

Plenty of parts of DC - Union Market, NoMa, The Wharf, H St and so forth - have managed to develop perfectly well without an accompanying stadium.

Likewise, next to no development accompanied the construction of FedEx Stadium in Landover, MD or many other neighborhoods across America where new stadiums have been built.

Public financing of and other giveaways for sports stadiums are a massive scam. There is a litany of evidence out there that shows this. It shouldn't take you long to find it if you are interested in the topic.

You are making hypotheticals. You also have no idea if Nats park was the sole driver of growth there..which it was. Union Market is a craphole, the Wharf is fantastic right on the water which was an easy win for developers (who also received tax benefits), H Street is really nothing special.

Obviously there wasn't development near LANDOVER because it's a far out no nothing town near zero public transit besides a metro over a mile away.

Look at the major cities, the areas surrounding urban stadiums are key economic drivers. I have been to every MLB stadium and the ones in the city core have fantastic amenities, night life, new development, etc. The ones in the suburbs are horrid.

The anti sports crowd is very bizarre and clearly in the minority.

DC would be a wasteland with zero sports teams in DC proper.

This is actually hilarious. You can stand in the neighborhoods surrounding Nats park and it looks like a developing country.

....did you visit there 20 years ago? It was a crack den

Nope, last baseball season. Parking your car on neighborhood streets and praying the windows don't get busted while you're enjoying the game. Gotta love DC!