Anonymous
01/17/2025 11:28
Subject: NCAP Prep swimmers to skip Metros for Altitude Camp
We are losing sight of the most important question here: which team’s crazy parents are fittest and fastest
Anonymous
01/16/2025 23:59
Subject: NCAP Prep swimmers to skip Metros for Altitude Camp
Anonymous wrote:A little 3rd party fact check:
U.S. Olympic Training Camps:
2024 Raleigh + Croatia
2021 Hawaii
2016 San Antonio + Puerto Rico
2012 Knoxville + Vichy
2008 Palo Alto
2004 Palo Alto + Mallorca (which is at 4,500 ft, mountainous but no training effect)
2000 Pasadena
It appears NCAP going 3-4 times a year to altitude is far more often than the U.S. Olympic team, which has trained at moderate altitude once in a quarter century. I’m sure Tom Ugast is 2 steps ahead of Eddie Reese, Dave Durden, Todd DeSorbo, Bob Bowman, Gregg Troy, Greg Meehan and Dave Marsh.
This would be a good roast. If only it were true. NCAP goes to OTC twice a year with a different group of swimmers who APPLY. Let the kids do what they want, and why do you care?
Not seeing any other teams doing something like this. You sound bitter. Tryouts are open in the spring. Best of luck!
Does healthy baller go with the team to for high altitude training or do they miss out on strength trainings during the weeks at elevation?
Anonymous
01/16/2025 16:53
Subject: NCAP Prep swimmers to skip Metros for Altitude Camp
A little 3rd party fact check:
U.S. Olympic Training Camps:
2024 Raleigh + Croatia
2021 Hawaii
2016 San Antonio + Puerto Rico
2012 Knoxville + Vichy
2008 Palo Alto
2004 Palo Alto + Mallorca (which is at 4,500 ft, mountainous but no training effect)
2000 Pasadena
It appears NCAP going 3-4 times a year to altitude is far more often than the U.S. Olympic team, which has trained at moderate altitude once in a quarter century. I’m sure Tom Ugast is 2 steps ahead of Eddie Reese, Dave Durden, Todd DeSorbo, Bob Bowman, Gregg Troy, Greg Meehan and Dave Marsh.
U.S. Olympic Training Camps:
2024 Raleigh + Croatia
2021 Hawaii
2016 San Antonio + Puerto Rico
2012 Knoxville + Vichy
2008 Palo Alto
2004 Palo Alto + Mallorca (which is at 4,500 ft, mountainous but no training effect)
2000 Pasadena
It appears NCAP going 3-4 times a year to altitude is far more often than the U.S. Olympic team, which has trained at moderate altitude once in a quarter century. I’m sure Tom Ugast is 2 steps ahead of Eddie Reese, Dave Durden, Todd DeSorbo, Bob Bowman, Gregg Troy, Greg Meehan and Dave Marsh.
This would be a good roast. If only it were true. NCAP goes to OTC twice a year with a different group of swimmers who APPLY. Let the kids do what they want, and why do you care?
Not seeing any other teams doing something like this. You sound bitter. Tryouts are open in the spring. Best of luck!
Anonymous
01/16/2025 16:39
Subject: NCAP Prep swimmers to skip Metros for Altitude Camp
Anonymous wrote:OP doesn’t give a shit about having any real discussion about OTC. They care about smearing NCAP. Now that they’ve exhausted discussion on (possibly) legitimate gripes, they are making things up to keep this thread active. It’s not just NCAP Prep. it’s not a conflict with Metros. Kids aren’t going 3-4 times a year to OTC. Literally never has the pitch mentioned “altitude training.”
You notice the poster never brought up the fact that an RMSC swimmer was at OTC last week for a USA Swimming camp. Or the impact on missing a high school meet.
This person started this thread with made up facts because the last NCAP Prep thread finally fell off the first page after repeatedly bumping it to the top but not seeing any conversation.
This is a person who has taken their disagreement with NCAP (possibly for legit reasons, I have no idea) and now is pathetically spending their team smearing the program on an anonymous message board.
The camp the RMSC swimmer attended was a special invite only “select” camp- not a paid one like NCAP does, and he swims for a private school so it likely didn’t interfere with his meet schedule since it’s essentially a long weekend. He also didn’t miss a HS meet for Holiday Invitationals.
Anonymous
01/16/2025 14:33
Subject: NCAP Prep swimmers to skip Metros for Altitude Camp
Anonymous wrote:lol absolutely not true. Altitude is part of the selling point. Also, there are no benefits in terms of red blood cells gained in one week there. You would have to be there several weeks for any effect
It absolutely is not. It isn’t even mentioned.
Anonymous
01/16/2025 14:31
Subject: NCAP Prep swimmers to skip Metros for Altitude Camp
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:For the parents who think the kids should be able to miss multiple high school meets for club conflicts, how many meets would you say is okay to skip? Would it be fine if the top swimmers just showed up at metros? At what point do you say, yeah my kid is basically a ringer and not part of the team?
Let’s call a spade a spade, all of the top club kids are ringers for their HS teams. They attend maybe 1 practice a week and show up for meets when they don’t conflict with club meets.
Of course they are ringers. They are paying for good quality coaching and tons of lane time. High School coaches for the most part are not great. It is a low paying part time job and they tend to be disorganized, have limited lane space (with WAY too many swimmers per lane), and finite resources.
If high school swim didn't allow the "ringers" meets would look very different. Let's be honest most of the good high school athletes are not playing the sport for the first time, they belong to club teams, travel teams, etc, the difference is that soccer, football, etc have to practice with one another because they have to be a TEAM. Swim, you get in and do your thing. Practice the relay teams a bit and you are good to go.
I see lots of kids buy into the aspect of being on a high school team. Swimming with an RMSC cap or NCAP cap means nothing to these kids. When swimming for the school you get some crazy performances the kids themselves probably didn’t think were possible. The power of TEAM is special. More so than any magic altitude camp adventure
I know club kids that float through HS season because they can win without having to summon their best stuff. You are way overestimating the importance of HS swim to the elite club swimmers. Do they enjoy HS swim, absolutely, but it is not some magical experience for them. And it’s not “altitude camp”, it’s an opportunity to train for a week at the Olympic Training Center. For the kids at that level it absolutely outranks swimming at a HS meet. Sorry to burst your bubble.
I don’t know any Olympic swimmers who prioritize altitude camp. Seems like this is just a way for NCAP to get families to pay more money and drink the coolaid before the kid burns out at 16.
Yeah, Olympic swimmers would never prioritize training at the …..wait for it….Olympic Training Center. Never change bitter NCAP troll. Stay on message.
A little 3rd party fact check:
U.S. Olympic Training Camps:
2024 Raleigh + Croatia
2021 Hawaii
2016 San Antonio + Puerto Rico
2012 Knoxville + Vichy
2008 Palo Alto
2004 Palo Alto + Mallorca (which is at 4,500 ft, mountainous but no training effect)
2000 Pasadena
It appears NCAP going 3-4 times a year to altitude is far more often than the U.S. Olympic team, which has trained at moderate altitude once in a quarter century. I’m sure Tom Ugast is 2 steps ahead of Eddie Reese, Dave Durden, Todd DeSorbo, Bob Bowman, Gregg Troy, Greg Meehan and Dave Marsh.
Why are you so hung up on the fact that the OTC is located in Colorado Springs, which happens to be at altitude? The purpose of the trip isn’t “altitude training”, if the OTC was located in Omaha the trip would still happen.
It is puzzling! Plus the trip to OTC this weekend is for 14&U swimmers. There may be a few freshmen but not many. Only 2 swimmers from our site are going and neither are in HS.
Anonymous
01/16/2025 14:14
Subject: NCAP Prep swimmers to skip Metros for Altitude Camp
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:For the parents who think the kids should be able to miss multiple high school meets for club conflicts, how many meets would you say is okay to skip? Would it be fine if the top swimmers just showed up at metros? At what point do you say, yeah my kid is basically a ringer and not part of the team?
Let’s call a spade a spade, all of the top club kids are ringers for their HS teams. They attend maybe 1 practice a week and show up for meets when they don’t conflict with club meets.
Of course they are ringers. They are paying for good quality coaching and tons of lane time. High School coaches for the most part are not great. It is a low paying part time job and they tend to be disorganized, have limited lane space (with WAY too many swimmers per lane), and finite resources.
If high school swim didn't allow the "ringers" meets would look very different. Let's be honest most of the good high school athletes are not playing the sport for the first time, they belong to club teams, travel teams, etc, the difference is that soccer, football, etc have to practice with one another because they have to be a TEAM. Swim, you get in and do your thing. Practice the relay teams a bit and you are good to go.
I see lots of kids buy into the aspect of being on a high school team. Swimming with an RMSC cap or NCAP cap means nothing to these kids. When swimming for the school you get some crazy performances the kids themselves probably didn’t think were possible. The power of TEAM is special. More so than any magic altitude camp adventure
I know club kids that float through HS season because they can win without having to summon their best stuff. You are way overestimating the importance of HS swim to the elite club swimmers. Do they enjoy HS swim, absolutely, but it is not some magical experience for them. And it’s not “altitude camp”, it’s an opportunity to train for a week at the Olympic Training Center. For the kids at that level it absolutely outranks swimming at a HS meet. Sorry to burst your bubble.
I don’t know any Olympic swimmers who prioritize altitude camp. Seems like this is just a way for NCAP to get families to pay more money and drink the coolaid before the kid burns out at 16.
Yeah, Olympic swimmers would never prioritize training at the …..wait for it….Olympic Training Center. Never change bitter NCAP troll. Stay on message.
A little 3rd party fact check:
U.S. Olympic Training Camps:
2024 Raleigh + Croatia
2021 Hawaii
2016 San Antonio + Puerto Rico
2012 Knoxville + Vichy
2008 Palo Alto
2004 Palo Alto + Mallorca (which is at 4,500 ft, mountainous but no training effect)
2000 Pasadena
It appears NCAP going 3-4 times a year to altitude is far more often than the U.S. Olympic team, which has trained at moderate altitude once in a quarter century. I’m sure Tom Ugast is 2 steps ahead of Eddie Reese, Dave Durden, Todd DeSorbo, Bob Bowman, Gregg Troy, Greg Meehan and Dave Marsh.
This may be the single stupidest comment I’ve ever come across on DCUM.
The Olympic Team exists for a MAXIMUM of 6 weeks every 4 years so comparing what they do to absolutely anything else is just straight-up moronic.
Anonymous
01/16/2025 11:49
Subject: NCAP Prep swimmers to skip Metros for Altitude Camp
Anonymous wrote:With IMX next weekend, would my kid still be able to get in a quick altitude burst this weekend if I book a flight for OTC?
Really depends how often you are going. I know ASA goes to altitude once a year. They simply can’t get enough oxygen in that time. You need to be going regularly like NCAP to be ready for something extreme like IMX.
Anonymous
01/16/2025 10:50
Subject: NCAP Prep swimmers to skip Metros for Altitude Camp
Anonymous wrote:With IMX next weekend, would my kid still be able to get in a quick altitude burst this weekend if I book a flight for OTC?
Some of the parents I know have opted to give their kids testosterone injections instead. A lot cheaper than hopping on a plane and more effective.
Anonymous
01/16/2025 10:41
Subject: NCAP Prep swimmers to skip Metros for Altitude Camp
With IMX next weekend, would my kid still be able to get in a quick altitude burst this weekend if I book a flight for OTC?
Anonymous
01/16/2025 08:35
Subject: NCAP Prep swimmers to skip Metros for Altitude Camp
Anonymous wrote:OP doesn’t give a shit about having any real discussion about OTC. They care about smearing NCAP. Now that they’ve exhausted discussion on (possibly) legitimate gripes, they are making things up to keep this thread active. It’s not just NCAP Prep. it’s not a conflict with Metros. Kids aren’t going 3-4 times a year to OTC. Literally never has the pitch mentioned “altitude training.”
You notice the poster never brought up the fact that an RMSC swimmer was at OTC last week for a USA Swimming camp. Or the impact on missing a high school meet.
This person started this thread with made up facts because the last NCAP Prep thread finally fell off the first page after repeatedly bumping it to the top but not seeing any conversation.
This is a person who has taken their disagreement with NCAP (possibly for legit reasons, I have no idea) and now is pathetically spending their team smearing the program on an anonymous message board.
I generally watch these threads and get my popcorn out. It’s seems there are many people on here who agree with the anti NCAP consensus. A few staunch supporters who try and chalk this up to 1 poster. The board really needs a standoff between the NCAP Loyalists and the RockvilleRays contingent
Anonymous
01/16/2025 08:33
Subject: NCAP Prep swimmers to skip Metros for Altitude Camp
Anonymous wrote:For the parents who think the kids should be able to miss multiple high school meets for club conflicts, how many meets would you say is okay to skip? Would it be fine if the top swimmers just showed up at metros? At what point do you say, yeah my kid is basically a ringer and not part of the team?
I know every swimmer and school has different circumstances, so it's hard to generalize but, for my swimmer I would say one meet. DD's high school team training also clashes with club training schedule and she is allowed to miss all the school team training by the head coach. She tries and does attend most of team social events though. Having said that, I would say she is a border line ringer but still more closer to be a part of the team from the way she interacts with the team and also the contribution she makes for the team.
Anonymous
01/16/2025 08:23
Subject: NCAP Prep swimmers to skip Metros for Altitude Camp
Anonymous wrote:OP doesn’t give a shit about having any real discussion about OTC. They care about smearing NCAP. Now that they’ve exhausted discussion on (possibly) legitimate gripes, they are making things up to keep this thread active. It’s not just NCAP Prep. it’s not a conflict with Metros. Kids aren’t going 3-4 times a year to OTC. Literally never has the pitch mentioned “altitude training.”
You notice the poster never brought up the fact that an RMSC swimmer was at OTC last week for a USA Swimming camp. Or the impact on missing a high school meet.
This person started this thread with made up facts because the last NCAP Prep thread finally fell off the first page after repeatedly bumping it to the top but not seeing any conversation.
This is a person who has taken their disagreement with NCAP (possibly for legit reasons, I have no idea) and now is pathetically spending their team smearing the program on an anonymous message board.
+1, well said.
Anonymous
01/16/2025 08:20
Subject: NCAP Prep swimmers to skip Metros for Altitude Camp
OP doesn’t give a shit about having any real discussion about OTC. They care about smearing NCAP. Now that they’ve exhausted discussion on (possibly) legitimate gripes, they are making things up to keep this thread active. It’s not just NCAP Prep. it’s not a conflict with Metros. Kids aren’t going 3-4 times a year to OTC. Literally never has the pitch mentioned “altitude training.”
You notice the poster never brought up the fact that an RMSC swimmer was at OTC last week for a USA Swimming camp. Or the impact on missing a high school meet.
This person started this thread with made up facts because the last NCAP Prep thread finally fell off the first page after repeatedly bumping it to the top but not seeing any conversation.
This is a person who has taken their disagreement with NCAP (possibly for legit reasons, I have no idea) and now is pathetically spending their team smearing the program on an anonymous message board.
You notice the poster never brought up the fact that an RMSC swimmer was at OTC last week for a USA Swimming camp. Or the impact on missing a high school meet.
This person started this thread with made up facts because the last NCAP Prep thread finally fell off the first page after repeatedly bumping it to the top but not seeing any conversation.
This is a person who has taken their disagreement with NCAP (possibly for legit reasons, I have no idea) and now is pathetically spending their team smearing the program on an anonymous message board.
Anonymous
01/16/2025 08:02
Subject: NCAP Prep swimmers to skip Metros for Altitude Camp
lol absolutely not true. Altitude is part of the selling point. Also, there are no benefits in terms of red blood cells gained in one week there. You would have to be there several weeks for any effect