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Anonymous wrote:Can someone without a ton of bias explain why wake was t30 in the first place? I feel like all the other t30 schools are very popular, well known, and academically at the top. I have no doubt wake forest is great, but it’s under the radar across the country

Very small class sizes, all classes taught by professors, high level of alumni giving are what kept it on the T30, it was when those factors were removed and first gen/pell grant specific factors were added that it fell out of the T30.

It’s basically a slac in a medium size university package with Power 5 sports in a state with a good climate. That’s a package that’s been attracting strong students for a long time, and not dissimilar from Duke and Vanderbilt, which is why it’s often a top choice for students not admitted to those schools.

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Anonymous wrote:The switch in methodology really benefits large schools that are accessible to unhooked high-stats kids and affordable to donut-hole families. Like most smallish test-optional schools the actual number of high-scoring students at Wake is pretty small, similar to schools like Syracuse, Iowa, or KU. What Wake offers that those bigger schools don’t is the ability to exclude more students, and the sense of superiority that a low admissions rate seems to engender. Some people care about that. Others prefer a less expensive, less exclusive school with a much larger cohort of high-scoring students.

Wow, I hadn't liked the new methodology but this offers much food for thought. Thanks for sharing

They also offer a substantially larger share of low scoring students. There surely isn’t two people on this board who don’t understand percentages? This has to be sock puppeting.

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Anonymous wrote:The switch in methodology really benefits large schools that are accessible to unhooked high-stats kids and affordable to donut-hole families. Like most smallish test-optional schools the actual number of high-scoring students at Wake is pretty small, similar to schools like Syracuse, Iowa, or KU. What Wake offers that those bigger schools don’t is the ability to exclude more students, and the sense of superiority that a low admissions rate seems to engender. Some people care about that. Others prefer a less expensive, less exclusive school with a much larger cohort of high-scoring students.

Wow, I hadn't liked the new methodology but this offers much food for thought. Thanks for sharing

Anonymous wrote:Can someone without a ton of bias explain why wake was t30 in the first place? I feel like all the other t30 schools are very popular, well known, and academically at the top. I have no doubt wake forest is great, but it’s under the radar across the country

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:The switch in methodology really benefits large schools that are accessible to unhooked high-stats kids and affordable to donut-hole families. Like most smallish test-optional schools the actual number of high-scoring students at Wake is pretty small, similar to schools like Syracuse, Iowa, or KU. What Wake offers that those bigger schools don’t is the ability to exclude more students, and the sense of superiority that a low admissions rate seems to engender. Some people care about that. Others prefer a less expensive, less exclusive school with a much larger cohort of high-scoring students.

Wow, I hadn't liked the new methodology but this offers much food for thought. Thanks for sharing

Anonymous wrote:The switch in methodology really benefits large schools that are accessible to unhooked high-stats kids and affordable to donut-hole families. Like most smallish test-optional schools the actual number of high-scoring students at Wake is pretty small, similar to schools like Syracuse, Iowa, or KU. What Wake offers that those bigger schools don’t is the ability to exclude more students, and the sense of superiority that a low admissions rate seems to engender. Some people care about that. Others prefer a less expensive, less exclusive school with a much larger cohort of high-scoring students.

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Anonymous wrote:There is nothing wrong with DEI being the primary factor in guaging how good a college is. CUNY, Rutgers, UC Merced, Georgia State, Louisville, etc. are going to be recognized as the new powerhouses.

With the new rankings, law schools, medical schools, employers will shift their recruiting to these schools. They were all great to begin with, but now with the rankings they finally get their chance.

Sorry but DEI is now DOA.

Because white supremacy needs to be re-established, right?

Who's the racist now?

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Anonymous wrote:UVA: 1470, 59%
Tulane: 1450, 45%
W&M: 1470, 59%
UMD-CP: 1450, 48%
Boston College: 1480, 50%
WFU: 1450, 48%
Brandeis: 1450, 43%
Boston University: 1450, 40%

Syracuse: 1340, 33%
Penn State: 1310, 39%
Pepperdine: 1360, 21%
American: 1370, 36%
Northeastern: 1500, 35%

WFU has a perfectly reasonable % of students submitting test scores. UVA has 40%+ students TO, BC 50%, BU 60%. Wake is nowhere near schools like Pepperdine, Northeastern with submitting percentages in the mid to low 20s and 30s.

Your list doesn’t exactly make the case that Wake should be ranked much higher than UMCP, which it was before test optional and the new rankings formula.

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:There is nothing wrong with DEI being the primary factor in guaging how good a college is. CUNY, Rutgers, UC Merced, Georgia State, Louisville, etc. are going to be recognized as the new powerhouses.

With the new rankings, law schools, medical schools, employers will shift their recruiting to these schools. They were all great to begin with, but now with the rankings they finally get their chance.

Sorry but DEI is now DOA.

Because white supremacy needs to be re-established, right?

Anonymous wrote:UVA: 1470, 59%
Tulane: 1450, 45%
W&M: 1470, 59%
UMD-CP: 1450, 48%
Boston College: 1480, 50%
WFU: 1450, 48%
Brandeis: 1450, 43%
Boston University: 1450, 40%

Syracuse: 1340, 33%
Penn State: 1310, 39%
Pepperdine: 1360, 21%
American: 1370, 36%
Northeastern: 1500, 35%

WFU has a perfectly reasonable % of students submitting test scores. UVA has 40%+ students TO, BC 50%, BU 60%. Wake is nowhere near schools like Pepperdine, Northeastern with submitting percentages in the mid to low 20s and 30s.

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Anonymous wrote:I hesitate to give any credence to stupid arguments, but the median SAT score at UVA is also 1450 per the
latest cds. Exact same as Wake.

Wake has a large portfolio test optional.

Those kids are likely scoring even lower than the 1450 median.

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:There is nothing wrong with DEI being the primary factor in guaging how good a college is. CUNY, Rutgers, UC Merced, Georgia State, Louisville, etc. are going to be recognized as the new powerhouses.

With the new rankings, law schools, medical schools, employers will shift their recruiting to these schools. They were all great to begin with, but now with the rankings they finally get their chance.

Sorry but DEI is now DOA.

Because white supremacy needs to be re-established, right?

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:There is nothing wrong with DEI being the primary factor in guaging how good a college is. CUNY, Rutgers, UC Merced, Georgia State, Louisville, etc. are going to be recognized as the new powerhouses.

With the new rankings, law schools, medical schools, employers will shift their recruiting to these schools. They were all great to begin with, but now with the rankings they finally get their chance.

Sorry but DEI is now DOA.