Industry likes immigrants with a CS or Engineering background in order to create downward pressure on CS and engineering salaries in the USA.

The "shortage" of CS/engineering graduates that Musk and others allege is mostly a myth - caveat that there legitimately are a *small* number of narrow CS/engineering specialties which are in less supply.

There probably is an over supply of web programmers and ordinary application programmers at present. People with specific experience in embedded systems, Linux internals, Verilog/VHDL programming, or networking internals should have zero trouble finding good work - as those are examples of chronic shortage areas. In the metro DC/Baltimore area, there also is a chronic shortage of clearable US Citizens with skills in reverse engineering and applied cryptography.

Anonymous wrote:So what should kids who are academically competitive and want to major in CS but are white and American do? What other major for kids along the STEM but not biochem lines would be good?

CS grads who are US Citizens with a clean background should get a security clearance if their priority is job security.
Lots of local jobs for a CS grad who is either cleared or clearable.

As with ECE majors, a Masters degree is often desirable - to avoid a future glass ceiling at promotion time.

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And you can say I’m racist or whatever, but it’s a known fact in the industry. Everyone inside KNOWS that Indians only hire other Indians. Most software teams look like a bunch of Indians and one Chinese dude.

this is true. my hubby works in tech (NYC and Cali) and he has mentioned this many, many times over the years. The Indians are VERY tight, and absolutely only hire Indians.

Sad, but very true.

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And you can say I’m racist or whatever, but it’s a known fact in the industry. Everyone inside KNOWS that Indians only hire other Indians. Most software teams look like a bunch of Indians and one Chinese dude.

this is true. my hubby works in tech (NYC and Cali) and he has mentioned this many, many times over the years. The Indians are VERY tight, and absolutely only hire Indians.

How does no one ever get these people for hiring discrimination, even in a field as diverse as CS, the chance of a workplace being nearly entirely Indian with Indian management is so so low without there being clear discriminatory practices.

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And you can say I’m racist or whatever, but it’s a known fact in the industry. Everyone inside KNOWS that Indians only hire other Indians. Most soft⁰ware teams look like a bunch of Indians and one Chinese dude.

this is true. my hubby works in tech (NYC and Cali) and he has mentioned this many, many times over the years. The Indians are VERY tight, and absolutely only hire Indians.

Sadly there is some truth to this

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Anonymous wrote:I’m a US citizen who has been in the industry for over 15 years and I can tell you my perspective.

And you can say I’m racist or whatever, but it’s a known fact in the industry. Everyone inside KNOWS that Indians only hire other Indians. Most software teams look like a bunch of Indians and one Chinese dude.

So if you kids are not Indian, I hate to tell you, but it will be a fight to get a job.

So what should kids who are academically competitive and want to major in CS but are white and American do? What other major for kids along the STEM but not biochem lines would be good?

Try to be as smart as that one chinese dude.

Id love to see how horrifically bad American students would score on the Gaokao English version.

https://www.bloomberg.com/graphics/2015-gaokao-quiz/

Funny, that test has an English grammar section, but the English version of the test is written in broken English.

The first question nearly gave me an aneurysm

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Anonymous wrote:If your kid is thinking about CS they must understand what is happening w AI. Google or look for podcasts on Anthropic or Claude. Or ask ChatGpt, haha

What sorts of people are building Google, Anthropic and Claude?
Oh, CS majors.

Getting a job in AI is a lot harder than you think.

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And you can say I’m racist or whatever, but it’s a known fact in the industry. Everyone inside KNOWS that Indians only hire other Indians. Most software teams look like a bunch of Indians and one Chinese dude.

this is true. my hubby works in tech (NYC and Cali) and he has mentioned this many, many times over the years. The Indians are VERY tight, and absolutely only hire Indians.

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Anonymous wrote:I’m a US citizen who has been in the industry for over 15 years and I can tell you my perspective.

And you can say I’m racist or whatever, but it’s a known fact in the industry. Everyone inside KNOWS that Indians only hire other Indians. Most software teams look like a bunch of Indians and one Chinese dude.

So if you kids are not Indian, I hate to tell you, but it will be a fight to get a job.

So what should kids who are academically competitive and want to major in CS but are white and American do? What other major for kids along the STEM but not biochem lines would be good?

Engineering. Computer engineering. Much harder than a CS degree, but that makes hiring smooth sailing. Can go into a much broader range of careers and pivot back to SWE if that’s your hearts content.

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DD thinks she dislikes engineering presently.
I have thought about encouraging her to look at economics. This was a good base degree back in the day and I feel like in my job it is always hard to find firms to do good Econ analysis modeling for us.

She dislikes engineering but wants to go into computer science. Steer her away from CS; she’s going to quickly learn it isn’t a software major and drop it. Econ sounds exactly like the type of major she’s interested in or math.

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CE seeks more about building the hardware vs programming it in a CS degree i thought. If she likes the latter and not the former why is that odd?

Yes, but both require a decent enjoyment for engineering and the thought process that goes behind it. That’s why so many CS programs are under engineering schools. Most of an engineers job isn’t building things.

Anonymous wrote:If your kid is thinking about CS they must understand what is happening w AI. Google or look for podcasts on Anthropic or Claude. Or ask ChatGpt, haha

What sorts of people are building Google, Anthropic and Claude?
Oh, CS majors.

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Anonymous wrote:I’m a US citizen who has been in the industry for over 15 years and I can tell you my perspective.

And you can say I’m racist or whatever, but it’s a known fact in the industry. Everyone inside KNOWS that Indians only hire other Indians. Most software teams look like a bunch of Indians and one Chinese dude.

So if you kids are not Indian, I hate to tell you, but it will be a fight to get a job.

So what should kids who are academically competitive and want to major in CS but are white and American do? What other major for kids along the STEM but not biochem lines would be good?

Try to be as smart as that one chinese dude.

Id love to see how horrifically bad American students would score on the Gaokao English version.

https://www.bloomberg.com/graphics/2015-gaokao-quiz/

Funny, that test has an English grammar section, but the English version of the test is written in broken English.

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Anonymous wrote:I’m a US citizen who has been in the industry for over 15 years and I can tell you my perspective.

And you can say I’m racist or whatever, but it’s a known fact in the industry. Everyone inside KNOWS that Indians only hire other Indians. Most software teams look like a bunch of Indians and one Chinese dude.

So if you kids are not Indian, I hate to tell you, but it will be a fight to get a job.

So what should kids who are academically competitive and want to major in CS but are white and American do? What other major for kids along the STEM but not biochem lines would be good?

Engineering. Computer engineering. Much harder than a CS degree, but that makes hiring smooth sailing. Can go into a much broader range of careers and pivot back to SWE if that’s your hearts content.

🫤
DD thinks she dislikes engineering presently.
I have thought about encouraging her to look at economics. This was a good base degree back in the day and I feel like in my job it is always hard to find firms to do good Econ analysis modeling for us.

Thsrs because economics is pseudoscience not because economists are in short supply.

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Anonymous wrote:I’m a US citizen who has been in the industry for over 15 years and I can tell you my perspective.

The HB program has ruined the job market for Americans.

There is nothing wrong with American education in computer science. It’s the best in the world.

Look at subreddits on computer science careers and you will see tons of graduates cannot find jobs.

We had massive layoffs the last couple of years that we never recovered from.

It’s capitalism - cheaper to hire offshore, even often less competent engineers.

The massive layoffs were LESS than the massive over hiring during Covid+ZIRP.

The problem is 20 years of everyone going for CS and nothing else.

AI is not replacing entry level workm

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Anonymous wrote:I’m a US citizen who has been in the industry for over 15 years and I can tell you my perspective.

And you can say I’m racist or whatever, but it’s a known fact in the industry. Everyone inside KNOWS that Indians only hire other Indians. Most software teams look like a bunch of Indians and one Chinese dude.

So if you kids are not Indian, I hate to tell you, but it will be a fight to get a job.

So what should kids who are academically competitive and want to major in CS but are white and American do? What other major for kids along the STEM but not biochem lines would be good?

Engineering. Computer engineering. Much harder than a CS degree, but that makes hiring smooth sailing. Can go into a much broader range of careers and pivot back to SWE if that’s your hearts content.

🫤
DD thinks she dislikes engineering presently.
I have thought about encouraging her to look at economics. This was a good base degree back in the day and I feel like in my job it is always hard to find firms to do good Econ analysis modeling for us.

She dislikes engineering but wants to go into computer science. Steer her away from CS; she’s going to quickly learn it isn’t a software major and drop it. Econ sounds exactly like the type of major she’s interested in or math.

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CE seeks more about building the hardware vs programming it in a CS degree i thought. If she likes the latter and not the former why is that odd?