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Anonymous wrote:I think the current crop of young people are going to be more conservative than a lot of people predicted. For a while it seemed like Gen Z was going to be very social justice oriented and progressive. And I do think there’s a little microgeneration of of that. But I think the youngest Gen Z’ers will be more to the right due to certain online messaging being targeted at them and just generally wanting the perceived stability that comes with a more so-called traditional lifestyle. It will be more pronounced among young men, but I think we will see it in women too.

The majority of my college seniors academic and social circle which is pretty big voted Trump, and not quietly. They are at a University that would surprise you, not dullards either, hardcore STEM majors.

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Anonymous wrote:White workingclass males are going to be disgusted with how trump and the billionares duped them, and they will realize the party that supports unions, healthcare, min wage and safer working conditions is the party actually looking out for their interests.

And that's the messaging Democrats should be promoting instead of far left agendas.

The Democratic party is not pushing a far left agenda. It's just college students and kids who are pushing this, like they always have but the right wing propaganda machine is magnifying its impact and duping people into voting against their own interests because of some silly college kids and their stupid words.

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Anonymous wrote:The parties have shifted. Dems are now the party of GWB foreign policy mixed with far left stances on social issues. The problem is that the actual D politicians cannot speak out against any of the "progressive" policies no matter how unpopular they are.
Rep Seth Moulton has been attacked mercilessly for coming out against trans athletes in womens sports despite his opinion being that of the majority. There are now calls for his resignation or to primary him. Progressives seem to hate free speech these days which can turnoff the general public. I also dont think the left will help themselves running to echo chambers like bluesky.
Trump is a moderate in most respects with similar policies to those Bill Clinton held with a touch of Ross
Perot populism thrown in and a dash of isolation in.

Moulton’s campaign manager resigned immediately, which goes to a structural problem in the party. If you think your career is at risk because your candidate espoused a position that 75% of Americans agree with, that is a serious problem structurally.

Trans men in women sports is the bill I died on. After a life long Dem I did not vote for the presidency this year. I could not vote for a party that wants me to think a man should be on an woman’s team. They can do co ed sports if they want to compete against men and women.

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Anonymous wrote:Dems will sweep the 2026 mid- terms.

The 2026 midterms are a "must win" for Democrats.

If they don't sweep the midterms, they are in deep shit.

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Anonymous wrote:Many Latino voters are catholic and held conservative views on social issues. as such, they have never been "reliably" democrats by any stretch. Only with some DACAs and the anti-immigration rhetoric did it sway more to the left.

I have been talking to the Hispanic men who own small I use all the time. The older men voted for Harris. the younger men, including the son of one of the older men, voted for Trump. Why? All about the economy and how smart these kids are. One told me about his friend who started to work in a hotel during the pandemic when no one else wanted to work there. He sanitized the rooms that were used. The manager saw how well he did and continued to promote him. He is now the front end manager of the hotel and back in a local college finishing his undergrad degree. Another started a type of cleaning company when he finished high school in 2016 and it became very popular during the pandemic. He had too much business and could hire people to work for him. He sold it to a larger company, took the money, finished a degree and then bought back his company. All voted for Trump because they thought he would be best for the economy.

These are some of the "demographic" that voted for Trump. Not a fan of Trump and did not vote for him, but you asked who did.

Anyone who voted for Trump based on the economy is not really "smart". That shows a complete lack of understanding of all the forces that impact the economy and the negative impacts of Trumps proposed policies (tariffs anyone?) Probably admires Trumps "business acumen", too, meaning he is okay with cheating and doesn't care who gets hurt as long as he gets his.

Not someone to admire. That's who Trump voters are...not people to admire. Ignorance, selfishness, and unfeeling./uncaring/cold-hearted. But hey they make lots of money. FFS.

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Anonymous wrote:Dems will sweep the 2026 mid- terms.

The 2026 midterms are a "must win" for Democrats.

If they don't sweep the midterms, they are in deep shit.

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Anonymous wrote:Latino voters, once a Democratic stronghold, have been increasingly shifting to the right especially among men (Trump won the Latino male vote, for example). This is in contrast to the longstanding prediction that the GOP is basically screwed as "the demographics of the US change" or that somewhere like Texas is on the path to becoming a blue state because "THE LATINO VOTE." Anyone who is actually familiar with the values of this demographic (generally religious and socially conservative) probably isn't too surprised by this, but I distinctly remember the death of the GOP being predicted in 2012 after the Romney loss and especially in 2016 before Trump's win given his rhetoric towards immigrants, etc.

But, alas, that did not happen and has shifted in the opposite direction of predictions.

Even Black voters, esp. Black men, moved increasingly towards the GOP this election, although it remains to be seen if that will constitute a pattern in the way that Latinos have moved right in consecutive elections.

Dems lost the white working class vote years ago. Conversely, the "white college educated" voters, have become a critical part of the Democrats base, and affluent suburban areas have shifted left a LOT in the past decade.

I'm just glad nobody is blaming asians for trump.

Anonymous wrote:Latino voters, once a Democratic stronghold, have been increasingly shifting to the right especially among men (Trump won the Latino male vote, for example). This is in contrast to the longstanding prediction that the GOP is basically screwed as "the demographics of the US change" or that somewhere like Texas is on the path to becoming a blue state because "THE LATINO VOTE." Anyone who is actually familiar with the values of this demographic (generally religious and socially conservative) probably isn't too surprised by this, but I distinctly remember the death of the GOP being predicted in 2012 after the Romney loss and especially in 2016 before Trump's win given his rhetoric towards immigrants, etc.

But, alas, that did not happen and has shifted in the opposite direction of predictions.

Even Black voters, esp. Black men, moved increasingly towards the GOP this election, although it remains to be seen if that will constitute a pattern in the way that Latinos have moved right in consecutive elections.

Dems lost the white working class vote years ago. Conversely, the "white college educated" voters, have become a critical part of the Democrats base, and affluent suburban areas have shifted left a LOT in the past decade.

Anonymous wrote:Dems will sweep the 2026 mid- terms.

Anonymous wrote:Baby boomers dying off.

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Anonymous wrote:White workingclass males are going to be disgusted with how trump and the billionares duped them, and they will realize the party that supports unions, healthcare, min wage and safer working conditions is the party actually looking out for their interests.

And that's the messaging Democrats should be promoting instead of far left agendas.

The Democratic party is not pushing a far left agenda. It's just college students and kids who are pushing this, like they always have but the right wing propaganda machine is magnifying its impact and duping people into voting against their own interests because of some silly college kids and their stupid words.

Riiight

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Anonymous wrote:Many Latino voters are catholic and held conservative views on social issues. as such, they have never been "reliably" democrats by any stretch. Only with some DACAs and the anti-immigration rhetoric did it sway more to the left.

I have been talking to the Hispanic men who own small I use all the time. The older men voted for Harris. the younger men, including the son of one of the older men, voted for Trump. Why? All about the economy and how smart these kids are. One told me about his friend who started to work in a hotel during the pandemic when no one else wanted to work there. He sanitized the rooms that were used. The manager saw how well he did and continued to promote him. He is now the front end manager of the hotel and back in a local college finishing his undergrad degree. Another started a type of cleaning company when he finished high school in 2016 and it became very popular during the pandemic. He had too much business and could hire people to work for him. He sold it to a larger company, took the money, finished a degree and then bought back his company. All voted for Trump because they thought he would be best for the economy.

These are some of the "demographic" that voted for Trump. Not a fan of Trump and did not vote for him, but you asked who did.

Anyone who voted for Trump based on the economy is not really "smart". That shows a complete lack of understanding of all the forces that impact the economy and the negative impacts of Trumps proposed policies (tariffs anyone?) Probably admires Trumps "business acumen", too, meaning he is okay with cheating and doesn't care who gets hurt as long as he gets his.

Not someone to admire. That's who Trump voters are...not people to admire. Ignorance, selfishness, and unfeeling./uncaring/cold-hearted. But hey they make lots of money. FFS.

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Anonymous wrote:I think college educated voters will be next. There were a lot of moral superiority arguments being made before that just don’t hold water anymore.

I think so too. I think the Democratic Party used to be the culture of coolness for the educated but that’s not true anymore. Edginess has gone elsewhere.

Yes. Increasingly, Democrats are seen as the party of wealthy gatekeepers with clipboards. Do you share preferred pronouns in your emails? Do you use the term LatinX? Do you agree trans women are real women? Do you advocate for restorative justice? If you do not answer correctly, you are the enemy.

Younger people don't have a natural party affiliation. For them, Obama is something from the history books. They look at progressives today and see ideologically rigid bullies that will happily cancel and destroy anyone that dares question prevailing leftish social positions. And these days, progressives offer nothing at all when it comes to real issues like health care, the cost of living, or the environment.

I see it with my own college-aged kids. The Democratic brand is not strong. It's whiny, self-indulgent, and often very wrong on the issues young people experience every day - from chaotic schools to violent crime. But they've learned to keep their head down and not question Democrats publicly, because they can see online what the left does to anyone that disagrees with them. But generally, GenZ is not liking what they see among Democrats. I think as a group, GenZ is far more pragmatic and rooted in common sense than people give them credit for. And consequently, they are not identifying with Democrats anymore.

NP. As a parent of Gen Z kids, I completely agree with this. I think this generation has a large quietly conservative group. They keep their heads down because they know how crazy the cancel kids get, but they do not like what the Democrats are selling.

I’m in a blue state, but these kids saw how they were locked down and kept out of school, and they’re still angry about it. Also, these are the kids who have endured classroom clearings repeatedly because of disruptive kids, and who don’t drink water during the day because the bathrooms are so unsafe. Trying to convince them that the Democrats are actually the party of education is a very tall order.

I get that perception, but what exactly do they think Republicans offer for education? Vouchers so they can all go to religious schools? Mandatory bible text in schools?

These are blue state kids. They have no experience with Republicans at a local, educational level. So, they aren’t voting for the Republicans, but rather against the Democrats.

I’ve heard Gen Z kids say that they will never vote Democrat because of what Democrats did to their schools. It’s the issue they live and see most.

This is total nonsense. They do not want school shootings. They do not want education vilified.

They do want to read all the banned books. So go ahead and ban as many as possible because it just makes the kids want to read them.

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Anonymous wrote:I think college educated voters will be next. There were a lot of moral superiority arguments being made before that just don’t hold water anymore.

I think so too. I think the Democratic Party used to be the culture of coolness for the educated but that’s not true anymore. Edginess has gone elsewhere.

Yes. Increasingly, Democrats are seen as the party of wealthy gatekeepers with clipboards. Do you share preferred pronouns in your emails? Do you use the term LatinX? Do you agree trans women are real women? Do you advocate for restorative justice? If you do not answer correctly, you are the enemy.

Younger people don't have a natural party affiliation. For them, Obama is something from the history books. They look at progressives today and see ideologically rigid bullies that will happily cancel and destroy anyone that dares question prevailing leftish social positions. And these days, progressives offer nothing at all when it comes to real issues like health care, the cost of living, or the environment.

I see it with my own college-aged kids. The Democratic brand is not strong. It's whiny, self-indulgent, and often very wrong on the issues young people experience every day - from chaotic schools to violent crime. But they've learned to keep their head down and not question Democrats publicly, because they can see online what the left does to anyone that disagrees with them. But generally, GenZ is not liking what they see among Democrats. I think as a group, GenZ is far more pragmatic and rooted in common sense than people give them credit for. And consequently, they are not identifying with Democrats anymore.

NP. As a parent of Gen Z kids, I completely agree with this. I think this generation has a large quietly conservative group. They keep their heads down because they know how crazy the cancel kids get, but they do not like what the Democrats are selling.

I’m in a blue state, but these kids saw how they were locked down and kept out of school, and they’re still angry about it. Also, these are the kids who have endured classroom clearings repeatedly because of disruptive kids, and who don’t drink water during the day because the bathrooms are so unsafe. Trying to convince them that the Democrats are actually the party of education is a very tall order.

I get that perception, but what exactly do they think Republicans offer for education? Vouchers so they can all go to religious schools? Mandatory bible text in schools?

These are blue state kids. They have no experience with Republicans at a local, educational level. So, they aren’t voting for the Republicans, but rather against the Democrats.

I’ve heard Gen Z kids say that they will never vote Democrat because of what Democrats did to their schools. It’s the issue they live and see most.

Anonymous wrote:The thing is, Latino men voted for Trump in part because a woman was running. To act like this is a permanent shift is to misunderstand the dynamic.