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Anonymous wrote:What are the costs of competitive club sports, plus coach time and any misc fees, per kid to get them recruited into college?

Does it vary by sport?

What is the cumulative cost for soccer? volleyball? etc.

Just have super smart kids who are kind and be the best in the school band or something similarly cheap & they can be at T10/ivy with no recruiting necessary and no sports cost. Both of mine are at different ivies. Most unhooked kids at the ivies are similar. The athletes get usually get mocked for not being as smart. The ones who are smart have to prove it every day in class. Even some professors assume they arent as bright and they are not taken as seriously unless they really put in the effort in seminars. I would never want my kid to be at a top school like an ivy as an athletic recruit, now that we have seen the other side.

What people don't get about top Ivies (unlike, eg, MIT or Cal Tech) is that it is not the best and the brightest - it is a majority collection of legacy, donor, and other institutional priorities. the smartest kids tend to be the ones who qualify for full rides. as for the athletes who "get mocked"? they are the ones, other than the $$ and connected, who will get the absolute biggest payoff of their college affiliation. aside from that, previous poster does not seem to be real, because anyone who thinks a kid gets into Yale for being "best in the school band" (lol) or similar, is living in another generation. the kids who get in for music are highly trained. are there some smart but not superstar and not $$$/connected kids there? sure, but not many, and they will probably get the least ROI on college.

wouldn't this kind of kid get the most out of a TT college? Bc they don't have the family network that the legacy/donor kids do. Or the athletic network of the recruited athletes. So these are the kids actually joining clubs, getting internships (through school) and doing stuff? How is there not a great ROI for these kids?

If they are the ones known for mocking other kids — fortunately a small segment of the population — they don’t get the network benefits other kids do.

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Anonymous wrote:What are the costs of competitive club sports, plus coach time and any misc fees, per kid to get them recruited into college?

Does it vary by sport?

What is the cumulative cost for soccer? volleyball? etc.

Just have super smart kids who are kind and be the best in the school band or something similarly cheap & they can be at T10/ivy with no recruiting necessary and no sports cost. Both of mine are at different ivies. Most unhooked kids at the ivies are similar. The athletes get usually get mocked for not being as smart. The ones who are smart have to prove it every day in class. Even some professors assume they arent as bright and they are not taken as seriously unless they really put in the effort in seminars. I would never want my kid to be at a top school like an ivy as an athletic recruit, now that we have seen the other side.

That’s only by the poorly socialized kids. The ones with better social skills recognize how the athletes form lifelong relationships that carry over into very successful careers. The kids who do the mocking are generally not liked, and don’t tend to do as well after college.

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Anonymous wrote:What are the costs of competitive club sports, plus coach time and any misc fees, per kid to get them recruited into college?

Does it vary by sport?

What is the cumulative cost for soccer? volleyball? etc.

This is why travel sports must be regulated. Once the university stopped recruiting directly from high school all bets are off.

For soccer it’s been the cost of Catholic High school in DMV - average over 10 years

Why regulated and by whom? Why would you want that?

B/c none other than Michael Lewis called for it after his experience with his daughters travel softball

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Two kids playing sports and thriving academically at Yale. Impossible to add up the related costs but you are looking at it backwards--both played multiple sports from K to high school graduation and it all starts as an interest, passion and great friend group of teammates. No one knows what is going to pan out as far as athletic development, size, agility, speed etc. on top of self motivation. Once you get to the point that you realize serious college commitment opportunities are likely to pan out (and there are always risks of serious injuries resulting a major setback at any point) it has become a lifestyle that they are thrilled to be able to continue for another four years. And whoever mentioned Ivy athletes being mocked by NARPS has no idea who is really having fun on these campuses. And getting great jobs after they graduate as well. You are very very lucky if it all works out.

Anonymous wrote:I can't bear to add it up but it was TOO MUCH.

And I regret it now.

Why regret?

I ask because we did not do it for college. That was something that was off in the distance and perhaps hoped for. But it was done for the now with a possible benefit for the future. It because clear as HS started that DD would be a solid recruit. So we were then focused on that. She is now committed. We enjoyed the whole experience. Frankly it was money well spent to lock in a top 25 school. DD is a great student but any top 25 is a lottery pick these days. Sge got to consider 5 top 25s a year ahead of her peers and lock in admission to the one she wanted. What is that worth? Depends on the family.

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Anonymous wrote:What are the costs of competitive club sports, plus coach time and any misc fees, per kid to get them recruited into college?

Does it vary by sport?

What is the cumulative cost for soccer? volleyball? etc.

This is why travel sports must be regulated. Once the university stopped recruiting directly from high school all bets are off.

For soccer it’s been the cost of Catholic High school in DMV - average over 10 years

Why regulated and by whom? Why would you want that?

I'll price a weird, non-recruitable sport for you: my dd started racing outrigger canoes on a team at age 12. Joined up with a friend who had lived in Hawaii and loved it from the first day. Cost: $75/year for a junior racing membership to the club. The club had paddles and life vests, and you race barefoot and in a tank top and shorts so there's no investment in attire.

I don't even think colleges *have* outrigger teams so this was for fun, fitness and to get out on the water, plus it's an extremely friendly and supportive community. The (few) schools where interviewers had read her full application had a lot of questions about outrigger, so it ended up being good for something in the college rat race.

Now, can someone please do polo, for the other end of the spectrum? :^) And yes, I know polo is recruitable.

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Anonymous wrote:What are the costs of competitive club sports, plus coach time and any misc fees, per kid to get them recruited into college?

Does it vary by sport?

What is the cumulative cost for soccer? volleyball? etc.

Just have super smart kids who are kind and be the best in the school band or something similarly cheap & they can be at T10/ivy with no recruiting necessary and no sports cost. Both of mine are at different ivies. Most unhooked kids at the ivies are similar. The athletes get usually get mocked for not being as smart. The ones who are smart have to prove it every day in class. Even some professors assume they arent as bright and they are not taken as seriously unless they really put in the effort in seminars. I would never want my kid to be at a top school like an ivy as an athletic recruit, now that we have seen the other side.

What people don't get about top Ivies (unlike, eg, MIT or Cal Tech) is that it is not the best and the brightest - it is a majority collection of legacy, donor, and other institutional priorities. the smartest kids tend to be the ones who qualify for full rides. as for the athletes who "get mocked"? they are the ones, other than the $$ and connected, who will get the absolute biggest payoff of their college affiliation. aside from that, previous poster does not seem to be real, because anyone who thinks a kid gets into Yale for being "best in the school band" (lol) or similar, is living in another generation. the kids who get in for music are highly trained. are there some smart but not superstar and not $$$/connected kids there? sure, but not many, and they will probably get the least ROI on college.

ivies do not give full rides to the smartest kids, they give them to the poorest kids.

Right! Pp is clueless on the ivies

Anonymous wrote:What are the costs of competitive club sports, plus coach time and any misc fees, per kid to get them recruited into college?

Does it vary by sport?

What is the cumulative cost for soccer? volleyball? etc.

Get in to an ivy with intellect and save the money thats what mine and most who attend did

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:What are the costs of competitive club sports, plus coach time and any misc fees, per kid to get them recruited into college?

Does it vary by sport?

What is the cumulative cost for soccer? volleyball? etc.

Just have super smart kids who are kind and be the best in the school band or something similarly cheap & they can be at T10/ivy with no recruiting necessary and no sports cost. Both of mine are at different ivies. Most unhooked kids at the ivies are similar. The athletes get usually get mocked for not being as smart. The ones who are smart have to prove it every day in class. Even some professors assume they arent as bright and they are not taken as seriously unless they really put in the effort in seminars. I would never want my kid to be at a top school like an ivy as an athletic recruit, now that we have seen the other side.

What people don't get about top Ivies (unlike, eg, MIT or Cal Tech) is that it is not the best and the brightest - it is a majority collection of legacy, donor, and other institutional priorities. the smartest kids tend to be the ones who qualify for full rides. as for the athletes who "get mocked"? they are the ones, other than the $$ and connected, who will get the absolute biggest payoff of their college affiliation. aside from that, previous poster does not seem to be real, because anyone who thinks a kid gets into Yale for being "best in the school band" (lol) or similar, is living in another generation. the kids who get in for music are highly trained. are there some smart but not superstar and not $$$/connected kids there? sure, but not many, and they will probably get the least ROI on college.

ivies do not give full rides to the smartest kids, they give them to the poorest kids.

I came to post this too. That poster obviously has no knowledge of Ivies. There is ZERO merit aid, it is only FA. To address the question about the costs, my kid was recruited DI Ivy for both rowing and field hockey and had to chose one sport so chose rowing. We never calculated how much we spent. Kid did club rowing and club FH. Neither was that much compared to the private school they attended.