Anonymous wrote:Forget rankings and prestige, which college do you think is best overall that a normal super smart kid could have a shot at? Assume full pay.

Any of the TLKRD or the PJFNC

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Anonymous wrote:What is the M in HYPMS?

That was my question.

Because if it is Michigan, that school is not in that tier.

Michigan is in the Notre Dame - Northwestern - U of Chicago -Brown - etc grouping, definitely not HYPS.

If is MIT, that is a whole different story

This discussion is about academic quality AND difficulty of admission. How to get max academic quality without the insanely difficult admissions standards. So while Brown might offer academics similar to Notre Dame & Mich, it’s much harder to get into. So Brown would seem to be the opposite of what the OP wants.

DP. I would say Brown's academics are commensurate with its admissions selectivity. Same with other Ivies (except maybe sime aspects of Cornell, since it is so big). Quality of education there is outstanding. I don't know why anyone would lump Brown in with larger schools like Mich or Notre Dame that have more variable academic standards. That is wishful thinking by boosters from those schools.

Brown is a better school than ND (I say this as an ND grad) but if you mean "larger" as in student population, ND isn't much bigger with 13,174 (8968 undergrads) to Brown's 10,594 (7639 undergrads).

University of Pennsylvania

Not as selective as HYPMS but career outcomes are as good

Anonymous wrote:Forget rankings and prestige, which college do you think is best overall that a normal super smart kid could have a shot at? Assume full pay.

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Anonymous wrote:Forget rankings and prestige, which college do you think is best overall that a normal super smart kid could have a shot at? Assume full pay.

UVA, UCB, UMich, UNC are the top academic “attainable” schools that are not difficult to get into if you are a state resident AND are super smart(ie 1500+ and top 5-10% of your high school while taking the hard classes)

UVA doesn't belong in that group. It belongs in the next tier.

DP. Actually it does since UVA is T24. UCB is way below at T39. UNC, too, is below at T27. Only Michigan is higher at T21. See USNWR

What are you even talking about?

UCLA is tied at #15 with Dartmouth (and has been the #1 ranked public university for nearly a decade)

UC Berkeley is #17

University of Michigan is tied at #21 with CMU and Washington University / SL

UVA is tied at #24 with Georgetown and Emory

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If you cannot distinguish between Berkeley and UC Santa Barbara, your opinion is probably already disqualified.

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Anonymous wrote:Forget rankings and prestige, which college do you think is best overall that a normal super smart kid could have a shot at? Assume full pay.

UVA, UCB, UMich, UNC are the top academic “attainable” schools that are not difficult to get into if you are a state resident AND are super smart(ie 1500+ and top 5-10% of your high school while taking the hard classes)

UVA doesn't belong in that group. It belongs in the next tier.

DP. Actually it does since UVA is T24. UCB is way below at T39. UNC, too, is below at T27. Only Michigan is higher at T21. See USNWR

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Anonymous wrote:Forget rankings and prestige, which college do you think is best overall that a normal super smart kid could have a shot at? Assume full pay.

UVA, UCB, UMich, UNC are the top academic “attainable” schools that are not difficult to get into if you are a state resident AND are super smart(ie 1500+ and top 5-10% of your high school while taking the hard classes)

Well, to be fair for UVA, you also need a 4.5 gpa, 35 ACT, be in top 6% of class, have taken the most rigorous courses offered by the high school, and have extraordinary ECs. That's what SCHEV reports for the 75th percentile on incoming students last year (unless URM or first generation or otherwise hooked)

Has UVA been known to taken any with about 4.1 GPA?

of course. URM, first generation, legacies when they did legacies, pell grant, low income, native american, athlete, rare instrument the orchestra needs, national prize winners, ... just like every other school that searches for hooked applicants

Anonymous wrote:UVA is a diploma factory.

pfft. You are the ignorant "trade school" idiot?

Anonymous wrote:Cal, Michigan, UCLA, Texas

Not in that order …

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Anonymous wrote:What is the M in HYPMS?

That was my question.

Because if it is Michigan, that school is not in that tier.

Michigan is in the Notre Dame - Northwestern - U of Chicago -Brown - etc grouping, definitely not HYPS.

If is MIT, that is a whole different story

You are new here. M is MIT.
Mich and ND are not in the same tier as NU and Brown.

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Anonymous wrote:What is the M in HYPMS?

That was my question.

Because if it is Michigan, that school is not in that tier.

Michigan is in the Notre Dame - Northwestern - U of Chicago -Brown - etc grouping, definitely not HYPS.

If is MIT, that is a whole different story

This discussion is about academic quality AND difficulty of admission. How to get max academic quality without the insanely difficult admissions standards. So while Brown might offer academics similar to Notre Dame & Mich, it’s much harder to get into. So Brown would seem to be the opposite of what the OP wants.

DP. I would say Brown's academics are commensurate with its admissions selectivity. Same with other Ivies (except maybe sime aspects of Cornell, since it is so big). Quality of education there is outstanding. I don't know why anyone would lump Brown in with larger schools like Mich or Notre Dame that have more variable academic standards. That is wishful thinking by boosters from those schools.

This is a dumb thread.

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Anonymous wrote:What is the M in HYPMS?

That was my question.

Because if it is Michigan, that school is not in that tier.

Michigan is in the Notre Dame - Northwestern - U of Chicago -Brown - etc grouping, definitely not HYPS.

If is MIT, that is a whole different story

This discussion is about academic quality AND difficulty of admission. How to get max academic quality without the insanely difficult admissions standards. So while Brown might offer academics similar to Notre Dame & Mich, it’s much harder to get into. So Brown would seem to be the opposite of what the OP wants.

M is for MIT

What is your M?

Not Michigan??

Anonymous wrote:What is the M in HYPMS?

That was my question.

Because if it is Michigan, that school is not in that tier.

Michigan is in the Notre Dame - Northwestern - U of Chicago -Brown - etc grouping, definitely not HYPS.

If is MIT, that is a whole different story