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Anonymous wrote:Who is nice? What an idiot you are. You think self made people are nice?? LMAO. Honey there's not one person with money, power, soccer or a combo of these who is nice. I guarantee this. You may not be a horrible maniac but nice is not a term to use here. WTF is nice? I hate all nice people because they are either a fool, dumb as rocks, fake or lying. Life is not about being nice. It can be about being noble, honesty, kind and merciful but nice is for people who are nothing.

You can work your @ss off, as Martha did, and not screw anyone over or cheat on your husband. Not really all that hard. It's a choice.

I'm not pp but nice people stop important things from getting done. Nice people won't make the hard decisions that one has to make to keep a business running. Nice people will make excuses for poor workers to the point they hurt a business. Nice people are oblivious to the fact that their niceness is all about them feeling good about them selves while avoiding difficult decisions and looking the other way when hard choices need to be made. People who put niceness first aren't fully functioning adults.

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Anonymous wrote:Who is nice? What an idiot you are. You think self made people are nice?? LMAO. Honey there's not one person with money, power, soccer or a combo of these who is nice. I guarantee this. You may not be a horrible maniac but nice is not a term to use here. WTF is nice? I hate all nice people because they are either a fool, dumb as rocks, fake or lying. Life is not about being nice. It can be about being noble, honesty, kind and merciful but nice is for people who are nothing.

You can work your @ss off, as Martha did, and not screw anyone over or cheat on your husband. Not really all that hard. It's a choice.

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Anonymous wrote:So she married rich and has been grifting ever since off the idle rich New England / Hamptons housewife aesthetic. See also that food network flyover state hick / failed actress who married the oil heir and sells proles a ranch family aesthetic. Literally same blueprint.

No. Unlike Ree Drummond who hid the fact that she married a into an extremely wealthy oil family (who got their land and mineral rights the old fashioned way- stealing from the Osage), Martha has always been open about who she was. Are you suggesting that a Polish girl from Nutley can’t enjoy the WASP aesthetic? Martha was a successful model, a successful stockbroker, and a wildly successful businesswoman. And she worked her a$$ off for it.

This is a woman who wakes before dawn and does a ton of labor herself. Her catering business wasn’t launched with a giant investment from anyone. It was out of her kitchen and backyard. Yes, a lot of what she’s sold through the years has been the WASP aesthetic, but she’s had her family (especially her mother) and shared traditional Polish dishes and customs as well. She’s always been an open book.

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Anonymous wrote:Half way through and I'm loving the new Martha documentary. Most surprising so far: her childhood thru stock broker years.

Her dad was physically (belts + stick whippings) and verbally abusive, and her mother was not motherly at all. With six kids at home, the dad loses his sales job and the family had to grown their own food and barter with neighbors for other basic needs.

Martha somehow earned a scholarship to Barnard and also sent most of her modeling paychecks home to help support her younger siblings. Someone above mentioned that Martha had the "privilege" to pursue her passions. I would argue that she forged her own path that enabled her to do that. She was already a very successful woman when she was introduced to her first husband by a fellow Barnard classmate (the guy's sister). He was in law school at the time but didn't even go into law.

Until now, my opinion of Martha Stewart has oscillated between IDGAF to pure dislike. Now, I kinda dig the woman. No wonder Snoop is a big fan.

She is self made for sure. The reference to privilege was that she did marry rich (she mentions her honeymoon was 5 months!!) and could buy a multi-acre estate fairly young, start her own catering business and have enough connections to grow it. Clearly she was extremely savvy and did way more than is possible for most people. But I do think she had privilege from her marriage, her modeling and her stockbroker job.

Privilege from her stock broker job? You need to realize what a big deal it was that she got that job? You do not understand that women didn't get those jobs and were not wanted there. They didn't make it clear enough for you that there were no women in those jobs then. Can you imagine what she went through. I'm pretty old and worked in a male dominated industry and the things those of us who worked in those fields went through were truly horrible.

THEY DIDNT EVEN HAVE A LADIES BATHROOM!!! she’s an amazing ceiling breaker. That’s not priveledge that’s being a complete savage bad ass.

Anonymous wrote:Who is nice? What an idiot you are. You think self made people are nice?? LMAO. Honey there's not one person with money, power, soccer or a combo of these who is nice. I guarantee this. You may not be a horrible maniac but nice is not a term to use here. WTF is nice? I hate all nice people because they are either a fool, dumb as rocks, fake or lying. Life is not about being nice. It can be about being noble, honesty, kind and merciful but nice is for people who are nothing.

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Anonymous wrote:Martha’s story reinforces how dangerous it can be to be a woman even if you are attractive and rich. She is a true feminist and her story shows there is still no equality for women.

Agree with this. Criticism of her is filled with a remarkable amount of misogyny.

Successful men don't get the same criticism for being "mean" or "bad dads" or "cold."

You can dislike her, but you have to acknowledge the incredible double standard of male vs. female expectations of how they're supposed to carry themselves when it comes to business and success.

Anonymous wrote:Martha’s story reinforces how dangerous it can be to be a woman even if you are attractive and rich. She is a true feminist and her story shows there is still no equality for women.

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Anonymous wrote:Half way through and I'm loving the new Martha documentary. Most surprising so far: her childhood thru stock broker years.

Her dad was physically (belts + stick whippings) and verbally abusive, and her mother was not motherly at all. With six kids at home, the dad loses his sales job and the family had to grown their own food and barter with neighbors for other basic needs.

Martha somehow earned a scholarship to Barnard and also sent most of her modeling paychecks home to help support her younger siblings. Someone above mentioned that Martha had the "privilege" to pursue her passions. I would argue that she forged her own path that enabled her to do that. She was already a very successful woman when she was introduced to her first husband by a fellow Barnard classmate (the guy's sister). He was in law school at the time but didn't even go into law.

Until now, my opinion of Martha Stewart has oscillated between IDGAF to pure dislike. Now, I kinda dig the woman. No wonder Snoop is a big fan.

She is self made for sure. The reference to privilege was that she did marry rich (she mentions her honeymoon was 5 months!!) and could buy a multi-acre estate fairly young, start her own catering business and have enough connections to grow it. Clearly she was extremely savvy and did way more than is possible for most people. But I do think she had privilege from her marriage, her modeling and her stockbroker job.

Privilege from her stock broker job? You need to realize what a big deal it was that she got that job? You do not understand that women didn't get those jobs and were not wanted there. They didn't make it clear enough for you that there were no women in those jobs then. Can you imagine what she went through. I'm pretty old and worked in a male dominated industry and the things those of us who worked in those fields went through were truly horrible.

Anonymous wrote:Who is nice? What an idiot you are. You think self made people are nice?? LMAO. Honey there's not one person with money, power, soccer or a combo of these who is nice. I guarantee this. You may not be a horrible maniac but nice is not a term to use here. WTF is nice? I hate all nice people because they are either a fool, dumb as rocks, fake or lying. Life is not about being nice. It can be about being noble, honesty, kind and merciful but nice is for people who are nothing.