Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

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Anonymous wrote:And, he's being prosecuted. Rightly so. One vote is not going to make an election. What if he voted for Trump? The Chinese want Trump to win? Would you still care?

THIS IS NOT A WIDESPREAD PROBLEM NO MATTER WHAT YOUR MAGA MASTER SAYS.

Correct.

At most, it probably only happens a half million or so times each national election. Tops. No more than that.

That is fake news from your dear leader. If you can find reputable sources saying that 500K noncitizens are voting for the president then I’ll share your outrage.

I’ll wait….

Every illegal vote cancels a citizen’s vote. It’s a shame you aren’t at all upset by someone being disenfranchised unnecessarily.

Virginia is removing from the voting rolls 1600 people suspecting that they may not be citizens, just days before the election even though state law said this type of actions should not be done in the last 90 days before the election (who knows why Youngkin sat on his a$$ until right before the election to do something). news outlets have already identified a number of people who were canceled who are US citizens, two of them actually born in the US, one of them had no clue she had been cancelled. many more or even all of the 1600 may be citizens, but I bet you could not care less that they are disenfranchised right?

Anonymous wrote:This is horrifying.

So all Michigan requires for proof of US citizenship is basically the same kind of level of security as porno sites in the Internet that say you must be 18+ to view which every 8th grader knows how to bypass by clicking yes.

All that is required is to check a box on the form to say you're a citizen!??? Are you kidding me? This is exactly why Democrats refuse to agree ro very common sense proposals to require proof of citizenship to vote. They want to flood the country with illegal immigrants who could, in theory, go out and vote en masse in a swing state like Michigan by simply checking a box. Truly absurd.

In every single other sane, first world democracy they require proof of citizenship to vote. It is mind melting logic that Democrats argue we shouldn't require this basic step for maintaining election integrity.

Yes, this is indeed shocking that they just “check a box” indicating they are a citizen.

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:“Every vote counts.”

Presumably, the student has now canceled out someone else’s vote. This is justice denied.

The real problem is that is unreasonable to expect Americans to have confidence in an electoral system that makes it difficult to virtually impossible to detect fraud.

Perhaps voter fraud is not a widespread problem. Perhaps it is. There really is no way to know because election security is not taken seriously.

Yes, we should cancel all American votes and allow our political elites and lobbyists to choose the PRESIDENT.

Right?

Nah just require photo ID and actually require proof of citizenship, not just self attesting.

+1. These days too many people are used to self-identifying...

Anonymous wrote:I’m still waiting for evidence of widespread fraud. It’s *crickets*

The standard should not be “no evidence of fraud.”

The standard should be: “verifiably safe and secure elections.”

As long as it is the former, then the losing side will have an ability to lack confidence in the electoral process.

Recall, there were some circles of passionate Dems that believed something below board happened in Cuyahoga County, OH that swung Ohio to GWB in 2004.

I’m still waiting for evidence of widespread fraud. It’s *crickets*

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:“Every vote counts.”

Presumably, the student has now canceled out someone else’s vote. This is justice denied.

The real problem is that is unreasonable to expect Americans to have confidence in an electoral system that makes it difficult to virtually impossible to detect fraud.

Perhaps voter fraud is not a widespread problem. Perhaps it is. There really is no way to know because election security is not taken seriously.

Yes, we should cancel all American votes and allow our political elites and lobbyists to choose the PRESIDENT.

Right?

Nah just require photo ID and actually require proof of citizenship, not just self attesting.

What is your proof of citizenship?

I don't understand how it happens. Don't you have to be registered to vote to even physically get a ballot when you show up?

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Anonymous wrote:And he's caught and being prosecuted.

Did you miss that the state didn’t catch this and his illegal vote still counts?

If the vote actually counts, I agree it is a problem. I don't know that it is a widespread problem, and voter ID laws would not have caught this.

BUT, it is not at all clear that the vote will count:

"The student's ballot is expected to count in the upcoming election — although it was illegally cast — because there is no way for election officials to retrieve it once it's been put through a tabulator, according to two sources familiar with Michigan election laws."

I'm willing to wait and see for something more definitive than "expected to" and unnamed sources.

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:“Every vote counts.”

Presumably, the student has now canceled out someone else’s vote. This is justice denied.

The real problem is that is unreasonable to expect Americans to have confidence in an electoral system that makes it difficult to virtually impossible to detect fraud.

Perhaps voter fraud is not a widespread problem. Perhaps it is. There really is no way to know because election security is not taken seriously.

Yes, we should cancel all American votes and allow our political elites and lobbyists to choose the PRESIDENT.

Right?

Nah just require photo ID and actually require proof of citizenship, not just self attesting.

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:“Every vote counts.”

Presumably, the student has now canceled out someone else’s vote. This is justice denied.

The real problem is that is unreasonable to expect Americans to have confidence in an electoral system that makes it difficult to virtually impossible to detect fraud.

Perhaps voter fraud is not a widespread problem. Perhaps it is. There really is no way to know because election security is not taken seriously.

Okay. So sounds like you're already calling for the the election to be halted.

This must be the GOP playbook. They know Trump is going to lose so they are coming up with all sorts of disaster scenarios why it has to be tossed out.

Meanwhile, there has never once been an election in this country without some fraudulent votes or miscounted votes. Never. Not one. Yet we've survived -- because in the scheme of things a handful of wrongly counted or bad ballots is not going to change the outcome in an election with millions of votes.

I called for no such halting of the election.

All I know is that every time a “handful” of either party’s key constituency is denied a chance to vote (say, long lines at polling stations necessitating longer operating hours) I hear all about how “every single vote must count.” When we have verifiable instances of voter fraud then “it’s just a handful of votes that don’t matter.”

What I also understand is that in many states election integrity is an afterthought and it is very difficult to virtually impossible to know if voter fraud (disenfranchisement) is or is not happening. How do you verify election integrity when chain of custody and voter records are very difficult to track?

If a foreign student can register and vote (possibly as a misguided prank) then a more nefarious actor could do so much worse.

Yes, you’ll be able to respond that there is no proof of widespread fraud. But it is equally true that you cannot prove our elections are secure and safe because in many states election integrity is simply not addressed.

Plz note: I’m staying away from partisan implications, here.

Anonymous wrote:“Every vote counts.”

Presumably, the student has now canceled out someone else’s vote. This is justice denied.

The real problem is that is unreasonable to expect Americans to have confidence in an electoral system that makes it difficult to virtually impossible to detect fraud.

Perhaps voter fraud is not a widespread problem. Perhaps it is. There really is no way to know because election security is not taken seriously.

Yes, we should cancel all American votes and allow our political elites and lobbyists to choose the PRESIDENT.

Right?

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:“Every vote counts.”

Presumably, the student has now canceled out someone else’s vote. This is justice denied.

The real problem is that is unreasonable to expect Americans to have confidence in an electoral system that makes it difficult to virtually impossible to detect fraud.

Perhaps voter fraud is not a widespread problem. Perhaps it is. There really is no way to know because election security is not taken seriously.

Okay. So sounds like you're already calling for the the election to be halted.

This must be the GOP playbook. They know Trump is going to lose so they are coming up with all sorts of disaster scenarios why it has to be tossed out.

Meanwhile, there has never once been an election in this country without some fraudulent votes or miscounted votes. Never. Not one. Yet we've survived -- because in the scheme of things a handful of wrongly counted or bad ballots is not going to change the outcome in an election with millions of votes.

Where did she suggest the election should be halted? Strawman.

Dont democrats constantly espouse the Nordic countries like Norway? Great, so why isn't the USA like Norway when it comes to basic civic duty of voting?

Norway mandates that voters present a photo ID, including a “passport, driving license, or bank card that includes a photo,” to vote.

Voters in Northern Ireland must present an “acceptable photo identification” to cast an in-person ballot.

Germany requires that voters bring a state-issued voter identification card, but they can substitute another form of ID for that card if they fail to deliver it at the polls.

Ballots in Switzerland are issued by mail, and voters who return their ballots in person are required to show an ID and a state-issued polling card to do so.

France requires a voter ID.

Israel requires a voter ID.

Mexico requires a voter ID.

Iceland requires a voter ID.

https://www.nccivitas.org/civitas-review/fact-check-international-voter-id-laws/


Proof of citizenship to vote is basic damn sense. So why are Dems opposed?

Anonymous wrote:

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Ok here is the Detroit News.

Used a student ID - exactly why Republicans do not support them as voter ID.

And the vote counts.

https://www.detroitnews.com/story/news/politics/elections/2024/10/30/chinese-university-of-michigan-college-student-voted-presidential-election-michigan-china-benson/75936701007/

I went to UofM and voted absentee in Maryland in my years there . It’s shocking they would take student id since tons of nonresidents attend Michigan

If they are attending Michigan they are residents of Michigan.

Nope.

College students should not be able to register to vote in at their university location unless they pay in state tuition rates or have an in state driver license. It makes no sense that people can vote in a state if the are not even considered a state resident for college tuition purposes.

This is horrifying.

So all Michigan requires for proof of US citizenship is basically the same kind of level of security as porno sites in the Internet that say you must be 18+ to view which every 8th grader knows how to bypass by clicking yes.

All that is required is to check a box on the form to say you're a citizen!??? Are you kidding me? This is exactly why Democrats refuse to agree ro very common sense proposals to require proof of citizenship to vote. They want to flood the country with illegal immigrants who could, in theory, go out and vote en masse in a swing state like Michigan by simply checking a box. Truly absurd.

In every single other sane, first world democracy they require proof of citizenship to vote. It is mind melting logic that Democrats argue we shouldn't require this basic step for maintaining election integrity.