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Anonymous wrote:Very meh.

Don’t get what the big deal about this movie is. There wasn’t much intrigue. I won’t spoil for others who haven’t seen it. I’m Catholic, so I know that clergy are no more holy or infallible than anyone else. To me it was more like a work of nonfiction. lol

It was way better than the majority of popular US movies out in the Fall and even now - so many marvel/ super hero/ horror flick/ dystopian future/ hyper violent fare on offer.

Ralph F and Isabella R were splendid. The filming was creative and personalities well honed.

I was raised Catholic and am also well aware that the pontiffs are very human. However the drama and calculating intrigue under the pious exteriors captured our attention the whole way through - with no pointless blood letting .. the preposterous ending eas hilarious and nice light relief.

But that preposterous ending was already done decades ago in a movie called Mona Lisa. Although as a Catholic feminist, it was one of the few points of the movie I actually liked, because it was a very subversive statement. The fact that so many think the movie "got off track" at the point or was "hilarious" as you stated is sexist.

I left Catholicism due to feminist beliefs. It is outrageous that old men in the Vatican get to decide on reproductive policies for women . Are they going to raise all these babies born to poor women who often can’t take care of the kids they have already? Catholicism may be on wane in the West but remains very strong in many African and Latin American countries. Wake me up when they welcome female pontiffs to the Vatican table.

If we don't remain to agitate, things won't change. If we don't remain, they win by default. Leaving it to those of us who remain isn't a solution.

Go to the anglicans if you don't want all the traditions and beliefs of Catholicism.

It is not as if you don't have choices.

The Catholic church has been the Catholic church since the Resurrection and Saint Peter as the first pope.

It is meant to remain the church created by Jesus and developed by the disciples, not the church that follows the latest social trends or modern society. That is what protestantism is for, to give a variety of church traditions to fit a variety of lifestyles and beliefs. Heck, you could even start your own church.

Catholicism has existed for some 2000 years. Its beliefs, particularly those regarding mortal sins like abortion are not going to change. If you don't believe in the core tenets and catechism of the Catholic faith, you have many wonderful options that are shaped around your beliefs. There are modern protestant churches everywhere, that didn't start 2000 years ago. Find one of them.

Anonymous wrote:Conclave starring Ralph Fiennes and a very strong cast is excellent (although the musical score was a bit jarring). This time I’m siding with critics over less enthusiastic audience reviews

Critics Consensus
Carrying off papal pulp with immaculate execution and career-highlight work from Ralph Fiennes, Conclave is a godsend for audiences who crave intelligent entertainment

https://www.rottentomatoes.com/m/conclave

So long and slow- needed a better editor

Meh. It's no Two Popes.

We watched the movie in the run up to the Oscars and relaly, really enjoyed it (while finding the ending to be ....I do'nt know what the right word is - kind of silly, fantastical, unrealistic? though we did like the message of the quiet holiness/presence). In general, the movie was well acted, covered in very broad strokes some of the international intrgue (the grasping American, the conservative Italian, the push for an African pope, the liberal wing.....), the visuals were great, there was tension and humor. It was absorbing.

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Anonymous wrote:I’m Catholic and very liberal. Loved the movie until the stupid ending. But still glad I watched it! I’m surprised to read here that people liked the ending.

Most people that don’t like the ending don’t understand the ending. The book was inspired by the 2013 conclave which elected Pope Francis, and it was published in 2015. The ending isn’t about gender identity politics, it’s about having the profound faith to choose a Pope who follows the words of Christ, and to trust that God does not make mistakes.

Pretty sure God does make mistakes. Like how he allows priests to abuse children.

You are making a false equivalency. An adult chooses to abuse a child or cover it up. You don’t choose to be born intersex.

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Anonymous wrote:I’m Catholic and very liberal. Loved the movie until the stupid ending. But still glad I watched it! I’m surprised to read here that people liked the ending.

Most people that don’t like the ending don’t understand the ending. The book was inspired by the 2013 conclave which elected Pope Francis, and it was published in 2015. The ending isn’t about gender identity politics, it’s about having the profound faith to choose a Pope who follows the words of Christ, and to trust that God does not make mistakes.

Pretty sure God does make mistakes. Like how he allows priests to abuse children.

Anonymous wrote:I hope we can watch it at home. Tried to see at a theater (Avalon) and all of us fell asleep, including my obsessively Catholic teenage son. We left midway through.

Curious which movies your family stays awake for . . .

Anonymous wrote:I’m Catholic and very liberal. Loved the movie until the stupid ending. But still glad I watched it! I’m surprised to read here that people liked the ending.

Most people that don’t like the ending don’t understand the ending. The book was inspired by the 2013 conclave which elected Pope Francis, and it was published in 2015. The ending isn’t about gender identity politics, it’s about having the profound faith to choose a Pope who follows the words of Christ, and to trust that God does not make mistakes.

I’m Catholic and very liberal. Loved the movie until the stupid ending. But still glad I watched it! I’m surprised to read here that people liked the ending.

The movie is currently available free on prime.

I finally watched it and thought it was a bad film: boring, very little plot, flat performances, etc.

I cannot believe it was nominate for so many awards.

Sure, it was cool to see the process and politics of a conclave…but that could have been covered in 15 mins.

It was a nice movie that looks quite stunning, but there was nothing thought-provoking about it.

Also, making a movie about that subject matter but avoiding any meaningful exchange about religion or theology is disappointing. And I say that as an atheist. It was like "politics of local elections, only in Vatican".

Spoilers up in this thread, for those who care.

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Anonymous wrote:Very meh.

Don’t get what the big deal about this movie is. There wasn’t much intrigue. I won’t spoil for others who haven’t seen it. I’m Catholic, so I know that clergy are no more holy or infallible than anyone else. To me it was more like a work of nonfiction. lol

It was way better than the majority of popular US movies out in the Fall and even now - so many marvel/ super hero/ horror flick/ dystopian future/ hyper violent fare on offer.

Ralph F and Isabella R were splendid. The filming was creative and personalities well honed.

I was raised Catholic and am also well aware that the pontiffs are very human. However the drama and calculating intrigue under the pious exteriors captured our attention the whole way through - with no pointless blood letting .. the preposterous ending eas hilarious and nice light relief.

But that preposterous ending was already done decades ago in a movie called Mona Lisa. Although as a Catholic feminist, it was one of the few points of the movie I actually liked, because it was a very subversive statement. The fact that so many think the movie "got off track" at the point or was "hilarious" as you stated is sexist.

I left Catholicism due to feminist beliefs. It is outrageous that old men in the Vatican get to decide on reproductive policies for women . Are they going to raise all these babies born to poor women who often can’t take care of the kids they have already? Catholicism may be on wane in the West but remains very strong in many African and Latin American countries. Wake me up when they welcome female pontiffs to the Vatican table.

If we don't remain to agitate, things won't change. If we don't remain, they win by default. Leaving it to those of us who remain isn't a solution.

Like many, I converted to a Protestant mainstream church that allows women and gays to become church ministers and doesn’t poke its nose in women’s private reproductive decisions.

It wasn’t just about that though: it was also the Catholic child abuse situation. I did not want my children raised in a church where there were not strong safeguards to protect them from predators.

However, I have a lot of respect for many aspects of the Catholic Church (such as Catholic Relief Services, Jesuit spiritual practices and intellectual rigor, running many schools and hospitals ithat serve the poor n developing countries, and remarkable scientific contributions to Western science over hundreds of years.

Exactly why I pulled my children out of public school in Loudoun County after the attacks in the girls' bathroom.

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Anonymous wrote:Very meh.

Don’t get what the big deal about this movie is. There wasn’t much intrigue. I won’t spoil for others who haven’t seen it. I’m Catholic, so I know that clergy are no more holy or infallible than anyone else. To me it was more like a work of nonfiction. lol

It was way better than the majority of popular US movies out in the Fall and even now - so many marvel/ super hero/ horror flick/ dystopian future/ hyper violent fare on offer.

Ralph F and Isabella R were splendid. The filming was creative and personalities well honed.

I was raised Catholic and am also well aware that the pontiffs are very human. However the drama and calculating intrigue under the pious exteriors captured our attention the whole way through - with no pointless blood letting .. the preposterous ending eas hilarious and nice light relief.

But that preposterous ending was already done decades ago in a movie called Mona Lisa. Although as a Catholic feminist, it was one of the few points of the movie I actually liked, because it was a very subversive statement. The fact that so many think the movie "got off track" at the point or was "hilarious" as you stated is sexist.

I left Catholicism due to feminist beliefs. It is outrageous that old men in the Vatican get to decide on reproductive policies for women . Are they going to raise all these babies born to poor women who often can’t take care of the kids they have already? Catholicism may be on wane in the West but remains very strong in many African and Latin American countries. Wake me up when they welcome female pontiffs to the Vatican table.

If we don't remain to agitate, things won't change. If we don't remain, they win by default. Leaving it to those of us who remain isn't a solution.

Like many, I converted to a Protestant mainstream church that allows women and gays to become church ministers and doesn’t poke its nose in women’s private reproductive decisions.

It wasn’t just about that though: it was also the Catholic child abuse situation. I did not want my children raised in a church where there were not strong safeguards to protect them from predators.

However, I have a lot of respect for many aspects of the Catholic Church (such as Catholic Relief Services, Jesuit spiritual practices and intellectual rigor, running many schools and hospitals ithat serve the poor n developing countries, and remarkable scientific contributions to Western science over hundreds of years.

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Anonymous wrote:Very meh.

Don’t get what the big deal about this movie is. There wasn’t much intrigue. I won’t spoil for others who haven’t seen it. I’m Catholic, so I know that clergy are no more holy or infallible than anyone else. To me it was more like a work of nonfiction. lol

It was way better than the majority of popular US movies out in the Fall and even now - so many marvel/ super hero/ horror flick/ dystopian future/ hyper violent fare on offer.

Ralph F and Isabella R were splendid. The filming was creative and personalities well honed.

I was raised Catholic and am also well aware that the pontiffs are very human. However the drama and calculating intrigue under the pious exteriors captured our attention the whole way through - with no pointless blood letting .. the preposterous ending eas hilarious and nice light relief.

But that preposterous ending was already done decades ago in a movie called Mona Lisa. Although as a Catholic feminist, it was one of the few points of the movie I actually liked, because it was a very subversive statement. The fact that so many think the movie "got off track" at the point or was "hilarious" as you stated is sexist.

I left Catholicism due to feminist beliefs. It is outrageous that old men in the Vatican get to decide on reproductive policies for women . Are they going to raise all these babies born to poor women who often can’t take care of the kids they have already? Catholicism may be on wane in the West but remains very strong in many African and Latin American countries. Wake me up when they welcome female pontiffs to the Vatican table.

If we don't remain to agitate, things won't change. If we don't remain, they win by default. Leaving it to those of us who remain isn't a solution.