Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Traditional roles. To me, marriages worked back in the day for a reason, there were clear roles. The man was the leader of the home and provided financially. The woman took on my of the parenting role with the children and took care of the home. I made sure to find a man that had a similar outlook on marriage.
A lot of marriages “back in the day” did not work. Women and children were abused and just could not leave because they could not provide for themselves and/or the judicial system would not allow them to leave. My marriage works because it is egalitarian and we contribute financially and inside the home equally.
I was sharing my opinion, I see it differs from yours and that is fine. No one mentioned abuse though…. That is very extreme.
You expressed an opinion about why marriages used to “work.” It’s important to provide context for the vulnerability that women and children experienced in the context of men “leading” and “providing financially.” Many women have opted out of this arrangement today because it leaves them with no options if abuse happens. It’s not an extreme situation. It’s been the reality for many women and children in America and abroad who were at the mercy of a male breadwinner and inequitable court system. Nostalgia for “traditional” roles is dangerous if we don’t remind people that this situation also potentially leads to the disempowerment of women.
Anonymous wrote:I’m curious to hear from people in happy relationships: what do you think it is about yourself/your spouse/your marriage that makes it work? What traits did you select for?
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Low expectations.
Ha!
Yes! The secret of marriage is you have to just stay married
+1. My parents have stayed married even though my mom is/was verbally abusive to my Dad and all of us kids.
Staying together allowed them to accumulate substantial wealth - my mom SAHMd and my Dad made money at BigLaw and in the sale of a company, which he would not have been able to do if he had to take on 50% of parenting. So, I guess you would say they were "successful" and "picked well.". My Mom didn't "pick well". She simply married the guy who asked her, as she acknowledged herself. She is lucky my Dad stayed with her and didn't leave her despite her abuse.
I think in retrospect us kids would have done better in a divorced non-abusive home. Staying together also meant that all the kids were raised in a highly abusive environment that basically crippled us emotionally.
Anonymous wrote:Habitually being kind and cheerful even if you don’t feel like it.
Letting go of a ton of stuff.
Comfortable with distance and time apart.
Silence is golden.
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Yes. I love all these answers because I really just think it's literally not divorcing...that's how you stay married.
Pretty much! Married 38 years, happily so now, but sometimes not so happy...but we hung in.
Anonymous wrote:Yes. I love all these answers because I really just think it's literally not divorcing...that's how you stay married.
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Traditional roles. To me, marriages worked back in the day for a reason, there were clear roles. The man was the leader of the home and provided financially. The woman took on my of the parenting role with the children and took care of the home. I made sure to find a man that had a similar outlook on marriage.
A lot of marriages “back in the day” did not work. Women and children were abused and just could not leave because they could not provide for themselves and/or the judicial system would not allow them to leave. My marriage works because it is egalitarian and we contribute financially and inside the home equally.
I was sharing my opinion, I see it differs from yours and that is fine. No one mentioned abuse though…. That is very extreme.
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Low expectations.
Ha!
Yes! The secret of marriage is you have to just stay married
+1. My parents have stayed married even though my mom is/was verbally abusive to my Dad and all of us kids.
Staying together allowed them to accumulate substantial wealth - my mom SAHMd and my Dad made money at BigLaw and in the sale of a company, which he would not have been able to do if he had to take on 50% of parenting. So, I guess you would say they were "successful" and "picked well.". My Mom didn't "pick well". She simply married the guy who asked her, as she acknowledged herself. She is lucky my Dad stayed with her and didn't leave her despite her abuse.
I think in retrospect us kids would have done better in a divorced non-abusive home. Staying together also meant that all the kids were raised in a highly abusive environment that basically crippled us emotionally. None of my siblings formed stable long term partnerships let alone marriages.
I had several long term relationships and ultimately had kids but their Dad, who I thought I had screened carefully, turned out to be a liar - deeply duplicitous in a way I only uncovered by accident (but then had the wisdom to continue to pull the thread of the first lie). Sadly, I consider myself lucky to have found out so quickly and severed ties with him when our kids were very young. They were able to grow up in a relatively healthy way, which would not have happened if we had been married.
So, long story short - I didn't have a successful marriage, but I consider myself a more successful parent as a divorcee than my married parents were.
I've also learned that those who have successful marriages are in large part simply lucky or have decided to stay in unhealthy situations that mean their marriage is intact but the impact to self or kids is terrible.