Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:“The Denaturalization Section will further the department’s efforts to pursue those who unlawfully obtained citizenship status and ensure that they are held accountable for their fraudulent conduct,”

if you unlawfully obtained citizenship you should be naturalized. Not sure why this is controversial

How the heck did people "unlawfully" obtain citizenship status? This is not like teens with fake IDs churned out by some mill. Takes years to obtain citizenship. There's even a test, guessing Trump would need to pay someone to sit for it.

Unlawfully obtaining U.S. citizenship happens through various forms of fraud or misrepresentation during the naturalization process, even though it takes years and involves passing a test. Some individuals may lie or hide critical information, such as their criminal history, residency, or marital status, to meet eligibility requirements (8 U.S.C. § 1451(a)). Others might enter into sham marriages to gain legal status (8 U.S.C. § 1186a(d)) or use false identities and forged documents to apply for citizenship (18 U.S.C. § 1028). This isn’t as simple as teens using fake IDs; it's serious fraud that undermines the integrity of the naturalization system. The real issue is that the Biden administration isn’t enforcing these existing laws as strictly as they should be, allowing some cases of fraud to go unchecked. The process should be fair for everyone, but it must also be protected from abuse.

Do you have some proof for this claim?

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:“The Denaturalization Section will further the department’s efforts to pursue those who unlawfully obtained citizenship status and ensure that they are held accountable for their fraudulent conduct,”

if you unlawfully obtained citizenship you should be naturalized. Not sure why this is controversial

How the heck did people "unlawfully" obtain citizenship status? This is not like teens with fake IDs churned out by some mill. Takes years to obtain citizenship. There's even a test, guessing Trump would need to pay someone to sit for it.

Unlawfully obtaining U.S. citizenship happens through various forms of fraud or misrepresentation during the naturalization process, even though it takes years and involves passing a test. Some individuals may lie or hide critical information, such as their criminal history, residency, or marital status, to meet eligibility requirements (8 U.S.C. § 1451(a)). Others might enter into sham marriages to gain legal status (8 U.S.C. § 1186a(d)) or use false identities and forged documents to apply for citizenship (18 U.S.C. § 1028). This isn’t as simple as teens using fake IDs; it's serious fraud that undermines the integrity of the naturalization system. The real issue is that the Biden administration isn’t enforcing these existing laws as strictly as they should be, allowing some cases of fraud to go unchecked. The process should be fair for everyone, but it must also be protected from abuse.

Anonymous wrote:Stephen Miller is talking about turbocharging the denaturalization process for US citizens of foreign origin in 2025 if Trump is elected.

I wonder if Sebastian Gorka will be included in this process.

Ok, let them start with Elon Musk.

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:“The Denaturalization Section will further the department’s efforts to pursue those who unlawfully obtained citizenship status and ensure that they are held accountable for their fraudulent conduct,”

if you unlawfully obtained citizenship you should be naturalized. Not sure why this is controversial

How the heck did people "unlawfully" obtain citizenship status? This is not like teens with fake IDs churned out by some mill. Takes years to obtain citizenship. There's even a test, guessing Trump would need to pay someone to sit for it.

If you didn't include something on your application that would have disqualified you from citizenship if known at the time, the citizenship is unlawfully obtained. There are certain crimes and convictions that make one ineligible for citizenship. That's the law on the books right now. Everything wasn't always as digitized as it is today.

This reeks of desperation. Who are all these folks with their illegally obtain citizenship? What have they done to you?

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:“The Denaturalization Section will further the department’s efforts to pursue those who unlawfully obtained citizenship status and ensure that they are held accountable for their fraudulent conduct,”

if you unlawfully obtained citizenship you should be naturalized. Not sure why this is controversial

How the heck did people "unlawfully" obtain citizenship status? This is not like teens with fake IDs churned out by some mill. Takes years to obtain citizenship. There's even a test, guessing Trump would need to pay someone to sit for it.

If you didn't include something on your application that would have disqualified you from citizenship if known at the time, the citizenship is unlawfully obtained. There are certain crimes and convictions that make one ineligible for citizenship. That's the law on the books right now. Everything wasn't always as digitized as it is today.

And a lot of people are here legally but their "papers" were not in a digital form. Face it, this is just an excuse to harass an deport brown people, regardless of legal status. There is no mechanism, none, that prevents people in the US legally, from being rounded up and deported.

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:“The Denaturalization Section will further the department’s efforts to pursue those who unlawfully obtained citizenship status and ensure that they are held accountable for their fraudulent conduct,”

if you unlawfully obtained citizenship you should be naturalized. Not sure why this is controversial

How the heck did people "unlawfully" obtain citizenship status? This is not like teens with fake IDs churned out by some mill. Takes years to obtain citizenship. There's even a test, guessing Trump would need to pay someone to sit for it.

If you didn't include something on your application that would have disqualified you from citizenship if known at the time, the citizenship is unlawfully obtained. There are certain crimes and convictions that make one ineligible for citizenship. That's the law on the books right now. Everything wasn't always as digitized as it is today.

Anonymous wrote:Interesting dichotomy in this thread between people who, apparently, are actually very knowledgeable on immigration law and maybe enforce it for a living, versus those who believe feel-good Hulu shows like Handmaid's Tale are reality.

I call them feel-good because they are just that for a lot of the viewers. They're what I refer to as Victimhood Porn, created for people of a neo-Marxist 'oppressor versus oppressed' fantasy worldview.

The dichotomy might be between people who believe (or want to believe) that the law as it currently exists will be applied fairly, and not used as a way to persecute brown people, and those that believe that it will just be an excuse to harass (at a minimum). The Trump administration has already demonstrated its willingness to bend and break laws. Trump is on the record as wanting to use to military against 'the enemy within'. What's to stop them from implementing the equivalent of a 'stop and frisk' policy on people they feel might be here illegally?

I'm a brown person. I have been naturalized for decades. I got my citizenship through my father, who immigrated in the 80s. He was sponsored by his sister, in the 70s. She came here on a work visa, then converted to GC and citizenship. The paperwork trail for us goes back 50 years, and we would be hard pressed to produce all the documents necessary to prove that each leg of our sponsorship was legal, and complied with the laws of the time.

Anonymous wrote:Interesting dichotomy in this thread between people who, apparently, are actually very knowledgeable on immigration law and maybe enforce it for a living, versus those who believe feel-good Hulu shows like Handmaid's Tale are reality.

I call them feel-good because they are just that for a lot of the viewers. They're what I refer to as Victimhood Porn, created for people of a neo-Marxist 'oppressor versus oppressed' fantasy worldview.

Can you tell us how Venezuela fell?

Anonymous wrote:Interesting dichotomy in this thread between people who, apparently, are actually very knowledgeable on immigration law and maybe enforce it for a living, versus those who believe feel-good Hulu shows like Handmaid's Tale are reality.

I call them feel-good because they are just that for a lot of the viewers. They're what I refer to as Victimhood Porn, created for people of a neo-Marxist 'oppressor versus oppressed' fantasy worldview.

Ironically, it is the people citing "the law" that have no idea how this would be executed or what the impact on individual civil liberties might be.

Interesting dichotomy in this thread between people who, apparently, are actually very knowledgeable on immigration law and maybe enforce it for a living, versus those who believe feel-good Hulu shows like Handmaid's Tale are reality.

I call them feel-good because they are just that for a lot of the viewers. They're what I refer to as Victimhood Porn, created for people of a neo-Marxist 'oppressor versus oppressed' fantasy worldview.

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:“The Denaturalization Section will further the department’s efforts to pursue those who unlawfully obtained citizenship status and ensure that they are held accountable for their fraudulent conduct,”

if you unlawfully obtained citizenship you should be naturalized. Not sure why this is controversial

Just be cool with your paperwork being gone over with a fine tooth comb and hoping that the rules and regulations you previously followed aren’t suddenly deemed invalidating.

U.S. citizenship laws, such as 8 U.S.C. § 1451(a), have long provided that citizenship obtained through fraud or misrepresentation can be revoked, and this isn’t a new policy. For example, sham marriages (8 U.S.C. § 1186a(d)) and false claims of citizenship (8 U.S.C. § 1324c(a)) are grounds for denaturalization.

The issue isn’t sudden invalidation of lawful citizenship but whether these existing laws are enforced. Under the Biden administration, enforcement of these laws, particularly regarding illegal entry and fraud, has been notably lax. This lack of enforcement creates the perception that rules might change when in fact, the laws are already in place—they’re just not being strictly applied. For those who followed the rules, there’s no risk unless fraud was involved.

Interesting. Can you point us to an article or an organization substantiating your claim that Biden's enforcement has been "notably lax." It takes at least five years before you can apply (three if married to a US citizen), then it can take a minimum of 18 months to process the app. What is this lax enforcement? Do you mean the same officials who handled Melania, Musk, Sacks, Thiel?

Anonymous wrote:Start with refugee fraud Ilhan Omar. Omar isn't even the correct family name.

Do you have a cite for this?

Anonymous wrote:“The Denaturalization Section will further the department’s efforts to pursue those who unlawfully obtained citizenship status and ensure that they are held accountable for their fraudulent conduct,”

if you unlawfully obtained citizenship you should be naturalized. Not sure why this is controversial

How the heck did people "unlawfully" obtain citizenship status? This is not like teens with fake IDs churned out by some mill. Takes years to obtain citizenship. There's even a test, guessing Trump would need to pay someone to sit for it.

Start with refugee fraud Ilhan Omar. Omar isn't even the correct family name.

Anyone who entered based on some sort of fraud should be removed from the US, or even have their falsely gained citizenship. Everyone that they filed for as a relative should also be fruit form a poisonous tree and also removed.

BTW this includes Melania Trump, her father and her sister, and Elon Musk.