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Anonymous wrote:My post is above. Think of us people on cancer drugs that lower our immunity! If the fever is over 100.5 we’re supposed to call the doctor and it can mean ending up in the hospital in an isolation room. I had 103 fever with Covid and my lungs hurt so bad with the coughing. I didn’t call because at that point I didn’t think they could do anything. It would be more preventative than anything.

Then you by all means should be getting every booster. My kids not getting one has absolutely no impact on you. Sure it might lessen their symptoms (which were a minor cold btw) if they get it.

How is it 2024 and people still don't know this?

Actually, herd immunity is a vital part of public health. It's very sad that we've had such a breakdown in our cultural sense of responsibility to one another. Polio is actually a very mild illness for most people (and, like covid, actually worse for adults than children), but we decided that the risk of potentially deadly and debilitating illness for a few is worth vaccinating everyone. What has happened to our sense of obligation to the public good?

I completely agree with herd immunity. We get all of our vaccines and stay up to date. This particular vaccine, however, is marginally effective for such a short period of time that I don’t feel like we’re contributing anything to the health of the herd by getting it. Besides, we haven’t gotten covid since May 2021 and we do test on occasion.

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How does someone in 2024 still not know that the Covid vaccine is not a sterilizing vaccine and has never been shown to prevent transmission? It may lower your risk of infection for a few weeks or maybe months, which is not enough of a third party benefit to moralize about when almost everyone has some degree of natural immunity. We don't even have good evidence that repeated boosters lower the severity of your inevitable infection, and that benefits outweigh risks (every medical intervention has risks). The risks almost certainly outweigh the benefits for adolescent males.

Our whole family had three Covid shots and my kids are up to date on all traditional vaccines, but we don't get Covid boosters.

Because our public health officials made it seem like this was the case. They were pretty much dishonest about what the Covid shots would do.

The adults in our family got the Covid shot and one booster, but my teens have had zero Covid shots. No thanks, will definitely pass for my teen boys. Not worth the risk at all.

Good for you. My kids had three shots, the first two because I still believed that the vaccine would make infection less likely (yes, I too initially fell for that messaging, and I've always been very pro-vaccine) , and the third one due to a camp mandate. I regret the third one for sure. But fortunately, they were in the 5-11 group and not at elevated risk for myocarditis.

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Anonymous wrote:I promise I'm not a paranoid still wearing masks, but can the folks saying no say why? At this point, why isn't it any different from getting the flu shot?

My teens don't get a flu shot either.

Honestly, we have no idea what the long term effects of yearly shots (like flu shots and Covid shots) will have. So, we pass.

My teens are fully vaccinated otherwise, so I'm not an anti-vaxxer. Just don't see enough benefit to warrant yearly flu/Covid shots.

I wouldn't put flu and Covid shots in the same bucket, although the evidence for annual boosters of both is poor. But the flu vaccine is a totally different vaccine with a much longer track record, so we need to be less concerned about unknown long-term effects. Also, as Paul Offit has explained repeatedly, the flu mutates differently and is much more strain-dependent as far as the severe-disease protection goes, so annual boosters make more sense. For Covid, Offit says, boosters are not needed for younger, immunocompetent people, because immunity against severe disease is long-lasting and not variant-dependent.

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Anonymous wrote:My post is above. Think of us people on cancer drugs that lower our immunity! If the fever is over 100.5 we’re supposed to call the doctor and it can mean ending up in the hospital in an isolation room. I had 103 fever with Covid and my lungs hurt so bad with the coughing. I didn’t call because at that point I didn’t think they could do anything. It would be more preventative than anything.

Then you by all means should be getting every booster. My kids not getting one has absolutely no impact on you. Sure it might lessen their symptoms (which were a minor cold btw) if they get it.

How is it 2024 and people still don't know this?

Actually, herd immunity is a vital part of public health. It's very sad that we've had such a breakdown in our cultural sense of responsibility to one another. Polio is actually a very mild illness for most people (and, like covid, actually worse for adults than children), but we decided that the risk of potentially deadly and debilitating illness for a few is worth vaccinating everyone. What has happened to our sense of obligation to the public good?

I completely agree with herd immunity. We get all of our vaccines and stay up to date. This particular vaccine, however, is marginally effective for such a short period of time that I don’t feel like we’re contributing anything to the health of the herd by getting it. Besides, we haven’t gotten covid since May 2021 and we do test on occasion.

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How does someone in 2024 still not know that the Covid vaccine is not a sterilizing vaccine and has never been shown to prevent transmission? It may lower your risk of infection for a few weeks or maybe months, which is not enough of a third party benefit to moralize about when almost everyone has some degree of natural immunity. We don't even have good evidence that repeated boosters lower the severity of your inevitable infection, and that benefits outweigh risks (every medical intervention has risks). The risks almost certainly outweigh the benefits for adolescent males.

Our whole family had three Covid shots and my kids are up to date on all traditional vaccines, but we don't get Covid boosters.

Because our public health officials made it seem like this was the case. They were pretty much dishonest about what the Covid shots would do.

The adults in our family got the Covid shot and one booster, but my teens have had zero Covid shots. No thanks, will definitely pass for my teen boys. Not worth the risk at all.

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Anonymous wrote:People that have very strong views about this one way or the other are by definition not following the science, which shows that the benefits are balanced by the costs.

What, what, what??

There is NO science that shows that at all. Please provide a link. There is no benefit of the Covid vaccines for teens and young adults. It is wholly unnecessary for healthy children.

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I can't believe someone still uses the phrase "follow the science" in 2024! Haven't we learned from 2020?

Anonymous wrote:I promise I'm not a paranoid still wearing masks, but can the folks saying no say why? At this point, why isn't it any different from getting the flu shot?

My teens don't get a flu shot either.

Honestly, we have no idea what the long term effects of yearly shots (like flu shots and Covid shots) will have. So, we pass.

My teens are fully vaccinated otherwise, so I'm not an anti-vaxxer. Just don't see enough benefit to warrant yearly flu/Covid shots.

Anonymous wrote:People that have very strong views about this one way or the other are by definition not following the science, which shows that the benefits are balanced by the costs.

What, what, what??

There is NO science that shows that at all. Please provide a link. There is no benefit of the Covid vaccines for teens and young adults. It is wholly unnecessary for healthy children.

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Anonymous wrote:No European country recommends Covid boosters for kids, so no. The US is an outlier with their indiscriminate recommendation, which is clearly driven by Pfizer lobbying.

What are your thoughts on the US auto lobby?

How is this relevant here? I'm sure it's strong, lol.

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Anonymous wrote:No. We are not getting them anymore.

We only got the flu shot.

Why bother with the flu shot if you don’t think you should get a COVID vax. Seems stupid.

COVID is still more deadly than the flu - https://www.medpagetoday.com/infectiousdisease/generalinfectiousdisease/110126

The linked article is about men over 70. We’re talking about teens here.

This new variant is gonna knock you and your teens on your butts.

Maybe, maybe not. None of the previous variants have so maybe we’re due.

Spouse and I had never had it before, teen had. All three of us got the new variant and we all felt like death for 7-10 days. I have never been so sick in my life. Went through every possible type of symptom, like having a brand new virus every day.

Teen had the same experience as we did, even though he had very few symptoms for only a day last time he had covid.

Just a warning, this new variant is no joke.

I will report back in five months our experience without the booster. I just picked five months arbitrarily. I don’t know how long the variants last.

Good luck! Seriously, I wouldn’t wish this on anyone!

Anonymous wrote:No European country recommends Covid boosters for kids, so no. The US is an outlier with their indiscriminate recommendation, which is clearly driven by Pfizer lobbying.

What are your thoughts on the US auto lobby?

No, because the two times we've had covid my teen had barely a sniffle. The two times he got the shot he was sick for 2 days.

I personally get it because when ive had covid its been awful. This year we got infected in September so won't bother with the shots.

Anonymous wrote:Heard immunity doesn't work as this vaccine doesn't stop the virus, if anything it only lessens the symptoms. It's not comparable to the polio vaccine. The best thing people can do is stay home when sick and not spread it.

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No European country recommends Covid boosters for kids, so no. The US is an outlier with their indiscriminate recommendation, which is clearly driven by Pfizer lobbying.

Heard immunity doesn't work as this vaccine doesn't stop the virus, if anything it only lessens the symptoms. Its not comparable to the polio vaccine. The best thing people can do is stay home when sick and not spread it.

Anonymous wrote:People that have very strong views about this one way or the other are by definition not following the science, which shows that the benefits are balanced by the costs.

Care to cite "the science" you are following that shows the benefits outweigh the risks for kids?

People that have very strong views about this one way or the other are by definition not following the science, which shows that the benefits are balanced by the costs.