Anonymous
10/12/2024 20:10
Subject: What typically happens to a violent kid in the classroom?
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:"There doesn't seem to be any action"
How in the world would you know what action has or hasn't been taken?
My kid was that kid. BEGGED AND PLEADED for him to be removed to a special school. It never happened. By all means, bug the administration, I'm sure his parents don't want him to hurt other kids either.
what is his diagnosis?
I know there’s been no action because the student is in the classroom and my child continues to be hit.
Why would I tell you my kid's DX? You aren't a SN parent clearly.
Also - that doesn't mean there's been no action. Don't get me wrong, your kid being hit is completely unacceptable, but that doesn't mean the parents aren't doing anything.
Parents that have crazy kids that send them to school knowing they will cause irreparable damage to many other kids are complicit. Don't dare lash out at victimized parents and kids. You are choosing to send your kid to school with full knowledge of what's happening every day. You can't play the victim. You have no idea nor do you care what these kids do to the teacher and the kids. We had 3 established teachers quit for 3 consecutive grades because of several kids like this. One kid thought it was funny to pull on my kid's broken limb that was healing. This is not special needs for education these are sociopaths and these kids need to be gone.
Aaaaand you are why PP won’t share any more info about her child. SMH.
Anonymous
10/12/2024 19:50
Subject: What typically happens to a violent kid in the classroom?
Anonymous wrote:As a parent who has had kids like this in her classes in all cases we've seen
1) the parents are desperately trying to get help from specialists and from the school
2) the school either claims nothing is wrong and blames the teacher (that's probably the only thing accurate that the "teacher" above wrote) or tries to counsel out the student
3) except in very rare cases, at no point does the school actually want to help the student. they just want to get rid of the problem
4) after many weeks or months of the school dragging their feet on the iep or 504 process as a way of trying to force the parents to leave the school system they finally agree to an iep or 504.
5) behavior plan is finally made
6) child gets special ed help - could be lessons, an aide, accommodations
7) in all but one case we know child improves with those small supports. in the one case where the child did not they transferred to a more specialized program at a different school and did well there
8) it is really rare that once a child gets help from the school they continue to have this level of acting out
9) child is traumatized from all the months it took to get help.
10) teacher quits anyway because of all the months it took to get up
everyone loses
Hi,
I'm the teacher from above. I've seen tons of BIPS implemented, behavioral therapists involved, social work lessons, etc. In one case, I saw minor improvements until winter break occurred. Kid returned, threatened to kill us all, wrote lists of which kids he was going to kill. Still my admin begged me to "be more understanding" and "try to build relationship with him". Finally, when he purposely injured me in front of another parent who was volunteering and I needed medical attention, at that point, it only took 5 more months until he left. But it was that incident that started the process and they stopped blaming me. I've personally had 4 very, very disturbed children in 30 years (3 in the last 5 years). Two parents or guardians pushed for services. Two fought tooth and nail against. The child I describe above? His mother claimed he was just "being imaginative" when he described closing is in a building and setting it on fire to watch us all die and acted like it was no biggie for her 6 year old to say this.
Anonymous
10/12/2024 17:05
Subject: What typically happens to a violent kid in the classroom?
As a parent who has had kids like this in her classes in all cases we've seen
1) the parents are desperately trying to get help from specialists and from the school
2) the school either claims nothing is wrong and blames the teacher (that's probably the only thing accurate that the "teacher" above wrote) or tries to counsel out the student
3) except in very rare cases, at no point does the school actually want to help the student. they just want to get rid of the problem
4) after many weeks or months of the school dragging their feet on the iep or 504 process as a way of trying to force the parents to leave the school system they finally agree to an iep or 504.
5) behavior plan is finally made
6) child gets special ed help - could be lessons, an aide, accommodations
7) in all but one case we know child improves with those small supports. in the one case where the child did not they transferred to a more specialized program at a different school and did well there
8) it is really rare that once a child gets help from the school they continue to have this level of acting out
9) child is traumatized from all the months it took to get help.
10) teacher quits anyway because of all the months it took to get up
everyone loses
1) the parents are desperately trying to get help from specialists and from the school
2) the school either claims nothing is wrong and blames the teacher (that's probably the only thing accurate that the "teacher" above wrote) or tries to counsel out the student
3) except in very rare cases, at no point does the school actually want to help the student. they just want to get rid of the problem
4) after many weeks or months of the school dragging their feet on the iep or 504 process as a way of trying to force the parents to leave the school system they finally agree to an iep or 504.
5) behavior plan is finally made
6) child gets special ed help - could be lessons, an aide, accommodations
7) in all but one case we know child improves with those small supports. in the one case where the child did not they transferred to a more specialized program at a different school and did well there
8) it is really rare that once a child gets help from the school they continue to have this level of acting out
9) child is traumatized from all the months it took to get help.
10) teacher quits anyway because of all the months it took to get up
everyone loses
Anonymous
10/12/2024 15:09
Subject: Re:What typically happens to a violent kid in the classroom?
My experience as a teacher who has had a few violent students over the years is this:
1) blame the teacher
2) require the teacher to complete copious amounts of data and notes over the course of the year and the district does absolutely nothing meaningful to help (or very, very little)
3) hope the kid transfers out
4) if the teacher is incredibly savvy, smart, LOUD and has a supportive admin, they might require the student to only attend half day for a while. Or, they might provide a TA, but often the TA doesn't help the situation despite their best efforts
5) drag the process out for 2-3 years and then finally place the child in an alternative school. Then, at data meetings wonder why students aren't learning enough. (Look you stupid people who have roles that don't actually help kids, when a teacher sends 90% of her energy on one kid, are you really surprised when learning is impacted?)
6) mostly, do nothing and blame the teacher til she quits, and repeat the cycle all over again
-signed, a teacher
1) blame the teacher
2) require the teacher to complete copious amounts of data and notes over the course of the year and the district does absolutely nothing meaningful to help (or very, very little)
3) hope the kid transfers out
4) if the teacher is incredibly savvy, smart, LOUD and has a supportive admin, they might require the student to only attend half day for a while. Or, they might provide a TA, but often the TA doesn't help the situation despite their best efforts
5) drag the process out for 2-3 years and then finally place the child in an alternative school. Then, at data meetings wonder why students aren't learning enough. (Look you stupid people who have roles that don't actually help kids, when a teacher sends 90% of her energy on one kid, are you really surprised when learning is impacted?)
6) mostly, do nothing and blame the teacher til she quits, and repeat the cycle all over again
-signed, a teacher
Anonymous
10/12/2024 14:52
Subject: What typically happens to a violent kid in the classroom?
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:"There doesn't seem to be any action"
How in the world would you know what action has or hasn't been taken?
My kid was that kid. BEGGED AND PLEADED for him to be removed to a special school. It never happened. By all means, bug the administration, I'm sure his parents don't want him to hurt other kids either.
It is a long, difficult process, but still much easier and faster if the child's parents are on board for getting help, but believe me, many parents are not, and then it is nearly impossible. You cannot force people to help their children, especially when they don't see a problem.
And, on the flip side, as frustrating as the red tape is, it is there to prevent knee jerk reactions that are harmful to children.
Please stop spreading this false narrative that there are huge numbers of parents in denial and doing nothing. This perpetuates the insidious idea that it's all our fault and therefore the school system doesn't really have to do anything. I interact pretty regularly in lots of special needs spaces and I have never met a parent who does nothing. Maybe they don't take the actions you think are best, but they know their children and their needs. As a special needs parent I've been offered lots of 'help' that is completely inappropriate for their needs and diagnosis. No thank you![b]
Of course you won’t find the do nothing parents in the special needs spaces you hang around in. They don’t think their kids have special needs.
Anonymous
10/12/2024 08:33
Subject: What typically happens to a violent kid in the classroom?
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Are you posting here because you have a child with SNs and you want to know how to protect them?
Or are you assuming that the "violent child" has SNs and that's why you posting in this forum?
I’m assuming a 9 year old who is violent has some special needs. I think that’s a fair assumption, no?
I don’t think that’s a fair assessment at all. Everything is a diagnosis these days. The sad reality is some kids are treated badly at home and act out. That’s not “special needs.”
I don’t think people on this website understand how terrible some parents are to their kids. They aren’t abusing them that fits the definition for a call to CPS but they are ignoring them or belittling them or both. One of my students will ignore everything you say and then blow up and start throwing things. You don’t want anyone near him when that happens. He’s gone through the IEP process and nothing has been found. No diagnosis but he and his siblings live their lives in a home where they see this type of behavior. It’s awful.
I'm a teacher and this is correct.
Anonymous
10/12/2024 07:42
Subject: What typically happens to a violent kid in the classroom?
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Are you posting here because you have a child with SNs and you want to know how to protect them?
Or are you assuming that the "violent child" has SNs and that's why you posting in this forum?
I’m assuming a 9 year old who is violent has some special needs. I think that’s a fair assumption, no?
I don’t think that’s a fair assessment at all. Everything is a diagnosis these days. The sad reality is some kids are treated badly at home and act out. That’s not “special needs.”
I don’t think people on this website understand how terrible some parents are to their kids. They aren’t abusing them that fits the definition for a call to CPS but they are ignoring them or belittling them or both. One of my students will ignore everything you say and then blow up and start throwing things. You don’t want anyone near him when that happens. He’s gone through the IEP process and nothing has been found. No diagnosis but he and his siblings live their lives in a home where they see this type of behavior. It’s awful.
Anonymous
10/11/2024 23:16
Subject: What typically happens to a violent kid in the classroom?
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Are you posting here because you have a child with SNs and you want to know how to protect them?
Or are you assuming that the "violent child" has SNs and that's why you posting in this forum?
I’m assuming a 9 year old who is violent has some special needs. I think that’s a fair assumption, no?
I don’t think that’s a fair assessment at all. Everything is a diagnosis these days. The sad reality is some kids are treated badly at home and act out. That’s not “special needs.”
Anonymous
10/11/2024 14:17
Subject: What typically happens to a violent kid in the classroom?
If the kid is really struggling with violence that is not controlled by ann aide, how is that not a special need? The poor kid needs more help.
Anonymous
10/11/2024 13:24
Subject: What typically happens to a violent kid in the classroom?
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:"There doesn't seem to be any action"
How in the world would you know what action has or hasn't been taken?
My kid was that kid. BEGGED AND PLEADED for him to be removed to a special school. It never happened. By all means, bug the administration, I'm sure his parents don't want him to hurt other kids either.
what is his diagnosis?
I know there’s been no action because the student is in the classroom and my child continues to be hit.
Why would I tell you my kid's DX? You aren't a SN parent clearly.
Also - that doesn't mean there's been no action. Don't get me wrong, your kid being hit is completely unacceptable, but that doesn't mean the parents aren't doing anything.
Parents that have crazy kids that send them to school knowing they will cause irreparable damage to many other kids are complicit. Don't dare lash out at victimized parents and kids. You are choosing to send your kid to school with full knowledge of what's happening every day. You can't play the victim. You have no idea nor do you care what these kids do to the teacher and the kids. We had 3 established teachers quit for 3 consecutive grades because of several kids like this. One kid thought it was funny to pull on my kid's broken limb that was healing. This is not special needs for education these are sociopaths and these kids need to be gone.
Anonymous
10/11/2024 12:25
Subject: What typically happens to a violent kid in the classroom?
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:"There doesn't seem to be any action"
How in the world would you know what action has or hasn't been taken?
My kid was that kid. BEGGED AND PLEADED for him to be removed to a special school. It never happened. By all means, bug the administration, I'm sure his parents don't want him to hurt other kids either.
what is his diagnosis?
I know there’s been no action because the student is in the classroom and my child continues to be hit.
Why would I tell you my kid's DX? You aren't a SN parent clearly.
Also - that doesn't mean there's been no action. Don't get me wrong, your kid being hit is completely unacceptable, but that doesn't mean the parents aren't doing anything.
It’s an anonymous forum and I’m trying to understand what kind of diagnosis would make a child violent or hit others.
google is free. and newsflash, not all kids who hit have special needs.
Any person who is violent daily in an environment in which that is not the standard has special needs.
They might not be neurodivergent, but if on a daily basis they harm others they have special needs and need special support.
That is not true.
Normal, healthy people are not chronically violent.
Anonymous
10/11/2024 12:23
Subject: What typically happens to a violent kid in the classroom?
Anonymous wrote:I'm not sure non-SN parents know that there's been a trend in the last few years of school systems completely bucking special education law when it comes to severe children. Violent children are supposed to be put in a self-contained setting or with 1-to-1 adult supervision in the mainstream classroom. A behavior specialist is supposed to then collect detailed data on the triggers for the behaviors and then convene a meeting to create a plan to extinguish the behaviors. If none of this works, the school system is required to take the tax money distributed to it for that pupil and use it to send the child to an intensive private or residential placement designed for children with these needs.
School systems have figured out that it's a lot cheaper and easier to ignore all of the above, and wait for a parent to sue them for services. This hurts all children. There's this weird warped mindset on this board that parents somehow condone this occuring in classrooms, when the exact opposite has literally been written into law.
Can you name the provision or link to the law you're referring to? Thanks!
Anonymous
10/11/2024 12:13
Subject: Re:What typically happens to a violent kid in the classroom?
Nothing. My DC had such a kid in his classroom. Nothing happened. It continued. We now pay for private school for our DC. As far as I know, that child is still in the public school system making school miserable for all who he encounters.
Anonymous
10/11/2024 11:52
Subject: What typically happens to a violent kid in the classroom?
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:"There doesn't seem to be any action"
How in the world would you know what action has or hasn't been taken?
My kid was that kid. BEGGED AND PLEADED for him to be removed to a special school. It never happened. By all means, bug the administration, I'm sure his parents don't want him to hurt other kids either.
It is a long, difficult process, but still much easier and faster if the child's parents are on board for getting help, but believe me, many parents are not, and then it is nearly impossible. You cannot force people to help their children, especially when they don't see a problem.
And, on the flip side, as frustrating as the red tape is, it is there to prevent knee jerk reactions that are harmful to children.
Please stop spreading this false narrative that there are huge numbers of parents in denial and doing nothing. This perpetuates the insidious idea that it's all our fault and therefore the school system doesn't really have to do anything. I interact pretty regularly in lots of special needs spaces and I have never met a parent who does nothing. Maybe they don't take the actions you think are best, but they know their children and their needs. As a special needs parent I've been offered lots of 'help' that is completely inappropriate for their needs and diagnosis. No thank you![b]
Anonymous
10/11/2024 11:46
Subject: What typically happens to a violent kid in the classroom?
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:"There doesn't seem to be any action"
How in the world would you know what action has or hasn't been taken?
My kid was that kid. BEGGED AND PLEADED for him to be removed to a special school. It never happened. By all means, bug the administration, I'm sure his parents don't want him to hurt other kids either.
what is his diagnosis?
I know there’s been no action because the student is in the classroom and my child continues to be hit.
Why would I tell you my kid's DX? You aren't a SN parent clearly.
Also - that doesn't mean there's been no action. Don't get me wrong, your kid being hit is completely unacceptable, but that doesn't mean the parents aren't doing anything.
It’s an anonymous forum and I’m trying to understand what kind of diagnosis would make a child violent or hit others.
google is free. and newsflash, not all kids who hit have special needs.
I see you’re defensive of children who hit because that’s your kid but it’s not easy being on the other side either.
Yes, and this is what I would expect in the Special Needs forum. If you are looking for support from typically developing children’s parents, there are other forums where you will find that.
I’m sorry that your child is in this situation and I agree that it’s 100% not ok.