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Anonymous wrote:If your priority is to see your child experience the best of all worlds (elite education, strategic networking and preparing for graduate school and/or professional endeavors, career outcomes, and especially the overall social experience), the large public institutions like the Berkeley, UCLA, Michigan, Florida, Texas, UNC and Virginia are far ahead of the one- or two-dimensional environments that define all of the privates in the Top 25.

If you’re treating your child’s college experience as essentially a trade school where they are there exclusively to train for a specific career in finance or software development or civil engineering, sure, feel free to take the WSJ rankings seriously. But if you have any interest in college being the transformative experience for your child that it often is for those who get the most from it, flagship public over private all day, every day.

This assertion is not in any way supported by facts.

Berkeley CS places less percentage or size wise to big tech that Brown and I'm sure most of the other elite privates. that is a fact based on actual career survey outcomes at both schools.

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Anonymous wrote:What the hell happened to UVA?

These rankings are rigged.

US only School/Country
1 Massachusetts Institute of Technology
2 Harvard University
3 Princeton University
4 Stanford University
5 California Institute of Technology
6 University of California, Berkeley
7 Yale University
8 The University of Chicago
8 University of Pennsylvania
10 Johns Hopkins University
11 Columbia University
11 University of California, Los Angeles
13 Cornell University
14 University of Michigan-Ann Arbor
15 Carnegie Mellon University
16 University of Washington
17 Duke University
18 Northwestern University
19 New York University
20 University of California, San Diego
21 Georgia Institute of Technology
22 University of Illinois at Urbana-Champaign
23 University of Texas at Austin
24 University of Wisconsin-Madison
25 Brown University
26 University of California, Davis
27 University of California, Santa Barbara
28 Washington University in St Louis
29 University of North Carolina at Chapel Hill
30 University of Southern California
31 Boston University
32 Purdue University West Lafayette
33 University of Massachusetts
34 University of Minnesota
35 University of California, Irvine
35 Vanderbilt University
37 Emory University
38 Penn State (Main campus)
39 Rice University
39 University of Maryland, College Park
41 Ohio State University (Main campus)
42 Michigan State University
43 University of Rochester
44 University of Florida
45 University of Arizona
46 University of Pittsburgh-Pittsburgh campus
47 Texas A&M University
47 University of Colorado Boulder
49 Case Western Reserve University
50 University of Virginia (Main campus)

This feels like it includes grad schools heavily.

Berkeley and Umich sure do stick out like a store thumb

as do UCLA and UDub

Show us on the doll where the admissions departments of these schools hurt you.

I have a brain. So this does not apply. The community college transfer rate into these colleges make it a joke compared to actually elite privates.

Yeah, don’t want your kids around the dirty, dumb poors.

There's also a good amount of dumb rich given the out of state students there

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Anonymous wrote:It's ridiculous that Berkeley and Michigan are ranked so high yet much more renowned universities like Dartmouth aren't even ranked

This is a world ranking of the most prestigious universities on the planet. Half of the top 25 at USNWR wouldn’t register much attention across the globe.

How do the foreign schools register on the attention scale here in the U.S.?

By way of example, I’d bet the house that less than 1/10th of 1% of Americans have ever even heard of Nanyang Technological University.

This is a world ranking of the most prestigious universities on the planet. Half of the top 25 at USNWR wouldn’t register much attention across the globe.

Tbh I'm surprised that Princeton made the top five on the world ranking haha. Usually they don't do well on international rankings for whatever reason even though they dominate USNWR.

Anonymous wrote:It's ridiculous that Berkeley and Michigan are ranked so high yet much more renowned universities like Dartmouth aren't even ranked

This is a world ranking of the most prestigious universities on the planet. Half of the top 25 at USNWR wouldn’t register much attention across the globe.

Anonymous wrote:It's ridiculous that Berkeley and Michigan are ranked so high yet much more renowned universities like Dartmouth aren't even ranked

The only people who think Dartmouth is more renowned than Berkeley or Michigan are Dartmouth grads.

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Anonymous wrote:If your priority is to see your child experience the best of all worlds (elite education, strategic networking and preparing for graduate school and/or professional endeavors, career outcomes, and especially the overall social experience), the large public institutions like the Berkeley, UCLA, Michigan, Florida, Texas, UNC and Virginia are far ahead of the one- or two-dimensional environments that define all of the privates in the Top 25.

If you’re treating your child’s college experience as essentially a trade school where they are there exclusively to train for a specific career in finance or software development or civil engineering, sure, feel free to take the WSJ rankings seriously. But if you have any interest in college being the transformative experience for your child that it often is for those who get the most from it, flagship public over private all day, every day.

This assertion is not in any way supported by facts.

Look at any survey of college students for your facts.

It's ridiculous that Berkeley and Michigan are ranked so high yet much more renowned universities like Dartmouth aren't even ranked

Anonymous wrote:If your priority is to see your child experience the best of all worlds (elite education, strategic networking and preparing for graduate school and/or professional endeavors, career outcomes, and especially the overall social experience), the large public institutions like the Berkeley, UCLA, Michigan, Florida, Texas, UNC and Virginia are far ahead of the one- or two-dimensional environments that define all of the privates in the Top 25.

If you’re treating your child’s college experience as essentially a trade school where they are there exclusively to train for a specific career in finance or software development or civil engineering, sure, feel free to take the WSJ rankings seriously. But if you have any interest in college being the transformative experience for your child that it often is for those who get the most from it, flagship public over private all day, every day.

This assertion is not in any way supported by facts.

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Anonymous wrote:What the hell happened to UVA?

These rankings are rigged.

US only School/Country
1 Massachusetts Institute of Technology
2 Harvard University
3 Princeton University
4 Stanford University
5 California Institute of Technology
6 University of California, Berkeley
7 Yale University
8 The University of Chicago
8 University of Pennsylvania
10 Johns Hopkins University
11 Columbia University
11 University of California, Los Angeles
13 Cornell University
14 University of Michigan-Ann Arbor
15 Carnegie Mellon University
16 University of Washington
17 Duke University
18 Northwestern University
19 New York University
20 University of California, San Diego
21 Georgia Institute of Technology
22 University of Illinois at Urbana-Champaign
23 University of Texas at Austin
24 University of Wisconsin-Madison
25 Brown University
26 University of California, Davis
27 University of California, Santa Barbara
28 Washington University in St Louis
29 University of North Carolina at Chapel Hill
30 University of Southern California
31 Boston University
32 Purdue University West Lafayette
33 University of Massachusetts
34 University of Minnesota
35 University of California, Irvine
35 Vanderbilt University
37 Emory University
38 Penn State (Main campus)
39 Rice University
39 University of Maryland, College Park
41 Ohio State University (Main campus)
42 Michigan State University
43 University of Rochester
44 University of Florida
45 University of Arizona
46 University of Pittsburgh-Pittsburgh campus
47 Texas A&M University
47 University of Colorado Boulder
49 Case Western Reserve University
50 University of Virginia (Main campus)

This feels like it includes grad schools heavily.

Berkeley and Umich sure do stick out like a store thumb

as do UCLA and UDub

Show us on the doll where the admissions departments of these schools hurt you.

I have a brain. So this does not apply. The community college transfer rate into these colleges make it a joke compared to actually elite privates.

Oh, OK, good to know. I couldn’t tell from your previous posts.

Well, large public institutions tend not to cater well to entitled maroons, so I think that works out. Hopefully a third-rate “elite private” like Cornell will do the trick, whatever that might be.

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Anonymous wrote:What the hell happened to UVA?

These rankings are rigged.

US only School/Country
1 Massachusetts Institute of Technology
2 Harvard University
3 Princeton University
4 Stanford University
5 California Institute of Technology
6 University of California, Berkeley
7 Yale University
8 The University of Chicago
8 University of Pennsylvania
10 Johns Hopkins University
11 Columbia University
11 University of California, Los Angeles
13 Cornell University
14 University of Michigan-Ann Arbor
15 Carnegie Mellon University
16 University of Washington
17 Duke University
18 Northwestern University
19 New York University
20 University of California, San Diego
21 Georgia Institute of Technology
22 University of Illinois at Urbana-Champaign
23 University of Texas at Austin
24 University of Wisconsin-Madison
25 Brown University
26 University of California, Davis
27 University of California, Santa Barbara
28 Washington University in St Louis
29 University of North Carolina at Chapel Hill
30 University of Southern California
31 Boston University
32 Purdue University West Lafayette
33 University of Massachusetts
34 University of Minnesota
35 University of California, Irvine
35 Vanderbilt University
37 Emory University
38 Penn State (Main campus)
39 Rice University
39 University of Maryland, College Park
41 Ohio State University (Main campus)
42 Michigan State University
43 University of Rochester
44 University of Florida
45 University of Arizona
46 University of Pittsburgh-Pittsburgh campus
47 Texas A&M University
47 University of Colorado Boulder
49 Case Western Reserve University
50 University of Virginia (Main campus)

This feels like it includes grad schools heavily.

Berkeley and Umich sure do stick out like a store thumb

as do UCLA and UDub

Show us on the doll where the admissions departments of these schools hurt you.

I have a brain. So this does not apply. The community college transfer rate into these colleges make it a joke compared to actually elite privates.

Yeah, don’t want your kids around the dirty, dumb poors.

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Anonymous wrote:Keep in mind these are not necessarily undergraduate rankings. They weigh graduate programs and research very highly. Hence schools like Berkeley and U Washington compete very well compared to their comparative undergraduate prestige in the US.

Berkeley is top 10 in Forbes, WSJ, QS and Top 20 in USNews. It consistently has programs in top 5 in almost every subject. It is a large state school and still manages to do remarkably well in almost all rankings.

PP, I agree, I’m not trying to slander Cal. As an institution it’s T10 in the country, I just think the undergrad program is a tick below its graduate programs.

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If your priority is to see your child experience the best of all worlds (elite education, strategic networking and preparing for graduate school and/or professional endeavors, career outcomes, and especially the overall social experience), the large public institutions like the Berkeley, UCLA, Michigan, Florida, Texas, UNC and Virginia are far ahead of the one- or two-dimensional environments that define all of the privates in the Top 25.

If you’re treating your child’s college experience as essentially a trade school where they are there exclusively to train for a specific career in finance or software development or civil engineering, sure, feel free to take the WSJ rankings seriously. But if you have any interest in college being the transformative experience for your child that it often is for those who get the most from it, flagship public over private all day, every day.

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:What the hell happened to UVA?

These rankings are rigged.

US only School/Country
1 Massachusetts Institute of Technology
2 Harvard University
3 Princeton University
4 Stanford University
5 California Institute of Technology
6 University of California, Berkeley
7 Yale University
8 The University of Chicago
8 University of Pennsylvania
10 Johns Hopkins University
11 Columbia University
11 University of California, Los Angeles
13 Cornell University
14 University of Michigan-Ann Arbor
15 Carnegie Mellon University
16 University of Washington
17 Duke University
18 Northwestern University
19 New York University
20 University of California, San Diego
21 Georgia Institute of Technology
22 University of Illinois at Urbana-Champaign
23 University of Texas at Austin
24 University of Wisconsin-Madison
25 Brown University
26 University of California, Davis
27 University of California, Santa Barbara
28 Washington University in St Louis
29 University of North Carolina at Chapel Hill
30 University of Southern California
31 Boston University
32 Purdue University West Lafayette
33 University of Massachusetts
34 University of Minnesota
35 University of California, Irvine
35 Vanderbilt University
37 Emory University
38 Penn State (Main campus)
39 Rice University
39 University of Maryland, College Park
41 Ohio State University (Main campus)
42 Michigan State University
43 University of Rochester
44 University of Florida
45 University of Arizona
46 University of Pittsburgh-Pittsburgh campus
47 Texas A&M University
47 University of Colorado Boulder
49 Case Western Reserve University
50 University of Virginia (Main campus)

This feels like it includes grad schools heavily.

Research

The ranking includes the whole school, undergrad and grad and professional. Yes that means the academic research component in multiple areas will raise the world rankings. To me and to many that is better than rankings based on pell grant % and other non academic factors. Lots of faculty doing research and lots of research $ coming in means undergraduates of these top schools can get research experience early and often. Our eldest, econ major, ivy : tons of research with faculty (data science applications for environment). The ivy pays undergraduates for research. Almost any who pursue it more than a couple semesters gets published. Kid got their junior internship due to this experience. They got a 6figure job in environmental consulting because of that internship. No competitive clubs needed , just engage with faculty and do research. 55% of undergraduates in econ and other fields do research at this ivy and the other similar schools toured. The engineering kids it’s probably 80%. The ivy has small classes for all but intro econ and most of the calc sections. This type of school, in the 5-10k range undergrads plus the research aspect that comes from being a well known entity in many sectors, provides a world class education. The global ranking combined with investigating class sizes and teaching, as well as endowment, is a better way to find top undergraduate education, in my opinion. Second is applying now, ED to a different ivy that also ranks in the top half of ivies globally.
SLACs are great for many, and a big school like UCB with a high global ranking are right for others. But for many the ivies (less so for Brown and not Dartmouth) or Stanford or MIT or JHU provide that perfect blend of research and small class sizes with top faculty

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:What the hell happened to UVA?

These rankings are rigged.

US only School/Country
1 Massachusetts Institute of Technology
2 Harvard University
3 Princeton University
4 Stanford University
5 California Institute of Technology
6 University of California, Berkeley
7 Yale University
8 The University of Chicago
8 University of Pennsylvania
10 Johns Hopkins University
11 Columbia University
11 University of California, Los Angeles
13 Cornell University
14 University of Michigan-Ann Arbor
15 Carnegie Mellon University
16 University of Washington
17 Duke University
18 Northwestern University
19 New York University
20 University of California, San Diego
21 Georgia Institute of Technology
22 University of Illinois at Urbana-Champaign
23 University of Texas at Austin
24 University of Wisconsin-Madison
25 Brown University
26 University of California, Davis
27 University of California, Santa Barbara
28 Washington University in St Louis
29 University of North Carolina at Chapel Hill
30 University of Southern California
31 Boston University
32 Purdue University West Lafayette
33 University of Massachusetts
34 University of Minnesota
35 University of California, Irvine
35 Vanderbilt University
37 Emory University
38 Penn State (Main campus)
39 Rice University
39 University of Maryland, College Park
41 Ohio State University (Main campus)
42 Michigan State University
43 University of Rochester
44 University of Florida
45 University of Arizona
46 University of Pittsburgh-Pittsburgh campus
47 Texas A&M University
47 University of Colorado Boulder
49 Case Western Reserve University
50 University of Virginia (Main campus)

This feels like it includes grad schools heavily.

Berkeley and Umich sure do stick out like a store thumb

as do UCLA and UDub

Show us on the doll where the admissions departments of these schools hurt you.

I have a brain. So this does not apply. The community college transfer rate into these colleges make it a joke compared to actually elite privates.