Anonymous
10/09/2024 21:33
Subject: Re:State report says 7 Virginia universities should be monitored as enrollment cliff approaches
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Also from the same report....
https://wtop.com/education/2024/10/3-virginia-universities-with-some-viability-risks-study-finds/
"On Monday, Sen. Mamie Locke, D-Hampton, questioned if the risks against Virginia State have any connection to the institution not being funded to the same levels as Virginia Tech after the federal government estimated a year ago that VSU is owed over $277 million in state funding from 1987 to 2020.
Like Virginia Tech, the historically Black college in Petersburg is a land grant institution.
“It’s an HBCU and this state is known for not having funded HBCUs to the levels that they should be funded,” Locke said."
Virginia continues to underfund public schools.
Virginia State gets $18,991 per in-state FTE student in general fund appropriations (state revenues appropriated for the institution). Virginia Tech gets $9,480 per in-state FTE.
https://research.schev.edu/info/Reports.Guide-to-the-Finance-Policy-Reports
A few years of increased pupil funding doesn’t reflect the many decades of underfunding - by millions & millions of dollars.
Virginia State has been getting significantly more per FTE for many years.
You think that’s enough even though their facilities are in terrible shape compared to VT, VCU, etc.?
Virginia State has gotten more per FTE from the state than VT for many years. It is still struggling because it doesn't pull in as much money per FTE from other non state sources like net tuition and fees. Other non HBCUs in Virginia have the same issue.
Define “many.” The issue goes back to the nineteenth century, so even if you’re citing decades, that’s not enough.
For every year but two since 1994, Virginia State has received more general fund appropriation per in-state FTE than Virginia Tech. In the most recent budget it was 2X more per in-state FTE.
Anonymous
10/09/2024 21:23
Subject: State report says 7 Virginia universities should be monitored as enrollment cliff approaches
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Whats the wnrollment cliff
The upcoming "enrollment cliff" refers to a projected significant decline in the number of college-age US students, beginning around 2025 and continuing into the 2030s. This drop is largely attributed to the falling birth rates that occurred during the 2008 financial crisis and its aftermath, leading to fewer high school graduates.
This is awesome news for my kids born in fall 2008 and 2011.
Don't get too excited. The non-stop increasing numbers of international applicants will dwarf any so-called enrollment cliff.
The losers will be small colleges in rural areas and the surrounding areas. Those schools are collapsing and taking small islands of economic vibrancy with them. The USDA is propping up many such schools, but its a losing effort.
(And the winners are going to be no-discount, foreign born kids; hope most stay here after graduation.)
Anonymous
10/09/2024 21:10
Subject: State report says 7 Virginia universities should be monitored as enrollment cliff approaches
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:The naming convention of VA publics is dumb and counter to what other states do to create a brand. Both public and private college options are also pretty pathetic in terms of selectivity and options. The schools generally are in armpit areas of the state compared to other states that place their schools in cities or have a well established college town. The schools should basically be as cheap or cheaper than other states because of these failings. A flagship in another state will have more brand recognition even if they are (at least of) equal rigor than any of the respective state schools in VA they are ranked closely with, including UVA and Tech. The fact that, all other things being equal, almost every high performing kid in VA will choose to go to an out-of-state school if given the chance is damning.
So much opinion, so little fact.
So you haven't lived out of state. (We've live in several real states with real colleges.) And you don't know any smart kids? (We know several dozen high performers from different states.) Yours is a typical provincial, townie response from people that don't understand that these are the facts. There're no Disneyland ride lines of out-of-staters trying to get into any Virginia school, public or private, as there are for many, many schools in numerous other states. At least MD has JHU and DC has Georgetown.
DP. You seem shallow
Anonymous
10/09/2024 21:03
Subject: Re:State report says 7 Virginia universities should be monitored as enrollment cliff approaches
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Also from the same report....
https://wtop.com/education/2024/10/3-virginia-universities-with-some-viability-risks-study-finds/
"On Monday, Sen. Mamie Locke, D-Hampton, questioned if the risks against Virginia State have any connection to the institution not being funded to the same levels as Virginia Tech after the federal government estimated a year ago that VSU is owed over $277 million in state funding from 1987 to 2020.
Like Virginia Tech, the historically Black college in Petersburg is a land grant institution.
“It’s an HBCU and this state is known for not having funded HBCUs to the levels that they should be funded,” Locke said."
Virginia continues to underfund public schools.
Virginia State gets $18,991 per in-state FTE student in general fund appropriations (state revenues appropriated for the institution). Virginia Tech gets $9,480 per in-state FTE.
https://research.schev.edu/info/Reports.Guide-to-the-Finance-Policy-Reports
A few years of increased pupil funding doesn’t reflect the many decades of underfunding - by millions & millions of dollars.
Virginia State has been getting significantly more per FTE for many years.
You think that’s enough even though their facilities are in terrible shape compared to VT, VCU, etc.?
Virginia State has gotten more per FTE from the state than VT for many years. It is still struggling because it doesn't pull in as much money per FTE from other non state sources like net tuition and fees. Other non HBCUs in Virginia have the same issue.
Define “many.” The issue goes back to the nineteenth century, so even if you’re citing decades, that’s not enough.
+1
PP is trying to gaslight.
Anonymous
10/09/2024 20:58
Subject: State report says 7 Virginia universities should be monitored as enrollment cliff approaches
Anonymous wrote:Radford was part of Tech for a while
ODU was part of W&M
I think ODU is underrated, really, and Radford is a nice little campus.
Why did the state let the top 3 grow so much? It seems pretty obvious that growing those schools by a lot hurts the smaller schools.
It's stupid that public schools based in one area of the state are allowed to cannibalize public schools in other parts of the state. If there's so much demand, then either fund the existing schools to up their level or create another school which will probably be more beneficial (profitable??) than these haphazardly placed satellite campuses. It also demonstrates that the current state model of VA publics is a failure.
Anonymous
10/09/2024 20:50
Subject: State report says 7 Virginia universities should be monitored as enrollment cliff approaches
Radford was part of Tech for a while
ODU was part of W&M
I think ODU is underrated, really, and Radford is a nice little campus.
Why did the state let the top 3 grow so much? It seems pretty obvious that growing those schools by a lot hurts the smaller schools.
ODU was part of W&M
I think ODU is underrated, really, and Radford is a nice little campus.
Why did the state let the top 3 grow so much? It seems pretty obvious that growing those schools by a lot hurts the smaller schools.
Anonymous
10/09/2024 20:31
Subject: Re:State report says 7 Virginia universities should be monitored as enrollment cliff approaches
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Also from the same report....
https://wtop.com/education/2024/10/3-virginia-universities-with-some-viability-risks-study-finds/
"On Monday, Sen. Mamie Locke, D-Hampton, questioned if the risks against Virginia State have any connection to the institution not being funded to the same levels as Virginia Tech after the federal government estimated a year ago that VSU is owed over $277 million in state funding from 1987 to 2020.
Like Virginia Tech, the historically Black college in Petersburg is a land grant institution.
“It’s an HBCU and this state is known for not having funded HBCUs to the levels that they should be funded,” Locke said."
Virginia continues to underfund public schools.
Virginia State gets $18,991 per in-state FTE student in general fund appropriations (state revenues appropriated for the institution). Virginia Tech gets $9,480 per in-state FTE.
https://research.schev.edu/info/Reports.Guide-to-the-Finance-Policy-Reports
A few years of increased pupil funding doesn’t reflect the many decades of underfunding - by millions & millions of dollars.
Virginia State has been getting significantly more per FTE for many years.
You think that’s enough even though their facilities are in terrible shape compared to VT, VCU, etc.?
Virginia State has gotten more per FTE from the state than VT for many years. It is still struggling because it doesn't pull in as much money per FTE from other non state sources like net tuition and fees. Other non HBCUs in Virginia have the same issue.
Define “many.” The issue goes back to the nineteenth century, so even if you’re citing decades, that’s not enough.
Anonymous
10/09/2024 20:20
Subject: State report says 7 Virginia universities should be monitored as enrollment cliff approaches
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:The naming convention of VA publics is dumb and counter to what other states do to create a brand. Both public and private college options are also pretty pathetic in terms of selectivity and options. The schools generally are in armpit areas of the state compared to other states that place their schools in cities or have a well established college town. The schools should basically be as cheap or cheaper than other states because of these failings. A flagship in another state will have more brand recognition even if they are (at least of) equal rigor than any of the respective state schools in VA they are ranked closely with, including UVA and Tech. The fact that, all other things being equal, almost every high performing kid in VA will choose to go to an out-of-state school if given the chance is damning.
So much opinion, so little fact.
So you haven't lived out of state. (We've live in several real states with real colleges.) And you don't know any smart kids? (We know several dozen high performers from different states.) Yours is a typical provincial, townie response from people that don't understand that these are the facts. There're no Disneyland ride lines of out-of-staters trying to get into any Virginia school, public or private, as there are for many, many schools in numerous other states. At least MD has JHU and DC has Georgetown.
Anonymous
10/09/2024 20:14
Subject: State report says 7 Virginia universities should be monitored as enrollment cliff approaches
Anonymous wrote:The naming convention of VA publics is dumb and counter to what other states do to create a brand. Both public and private college options are also pretty pathetic in terms of selectivity and options. The schools generally are in armpit areas of the state compared to other states that place their schools in cities or have a well established college town. The schools should basically be as cheap or cheaper than other states because of these failings. A flagship in another state will have more brand recognition even if they are (at least of) equal rigor than any of the respective state schools in VA they are ranked closely with, including UVA and Tech. The fact that, all other things being equal, almost every high performing kid in VA will choose to go to an out-of-state school if given the chance is damning.[/quote
I think in the AI world these sentences are called hallucinations.
Anonymous
10/09/2024 20:04
Subject: State report says 7 Virginia universities should be monitored as enrollment cliff approaches
Anonymous wrote:The naming convention of VA publics is dumb and counter to what other states do to create a brand. Both public and private college options are also pretty pathetic in terms of selectivity and options. The schools generally are in armpit areas of the state compared to other states that place their schools in cities or have a well established college town. The schools should basically be as cheap or cheaper than other states because of these failings. A flagship in another state will have more brand recognition even if they are (at least of) equal rigor than any of the respective state schools in VA they are ranked closely with, including UVA and Tech. The fact that, all other things being equal, almost every high performing kid in VA will choose to go to an out-of-state school if given the chance is damning.
So much opinion, so little fact.
Anonymous
10/09/2024 19:57
Subject: State report says 7 Virginia universities should be monitored as enrollment cliff approaches
The naming convention of VA publics is dumb and counter to what other states do to create a brand. Both public and private college options are also pretty pathetic in terms of selectivity and options. The schools generally are in armpit areas of the state compared to other states that place their schools in cities or have a well established college town. The schools should basically be as cheap or cheaper than other states because of these failings. A flagship in another state will have more brand recognition even if they are (at least of) equal rigor than any of the respective state schools in VA they are ranked closely with, including UVA and Tech. The fact that, all other things being equal, almost every high performing kid in VA will choose to go to an out-of-state school if given the chance is damning.
Anonymous
10/09/2024 19:56
Subject: Re:State report says 7 Virginia universities should be monitored as enrollment cliff approaches
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Also from the same report....
https://wtop.com/education/2024/10/3-virginia-universities-with-some-viability-risks-study-finds/
"On Monday, Sen. Mamie Locke, D-Hampton, questioned if the risks against Virginia State have any connection to the institution not being funded to the same levels as Virginia Tech after the federal government estimated a year ago that VSU is owed over $277 million in state funding from 1987 to 2020.
Like Virginia Tech, the historically Black college in Petersburg is a land grant institution.
“It’s an HBCU and this state is known for not having funded HBCUs to the levels that they should be funded,” Locke said."
Virginia continues to underfund public schools.
Virginia State gets $18,991 per in-state FTE student in general fund appropriations (state revenues appropriated for the institution). Virginia Tech gets $9,480 per in-state FTE.
https://research.schev.edu/info/Reports.Guide-to-the-Finance-Policy-Reports
A few years of increased pupil funding doesn’t reflect the many decades of underfunding - by millions & millions of dollars.
Virginia State has been getting significantly more per FTE for many years.
You think that’s enough even though their facilities are in terrible shape compared to VT, VCU, etc.?
Virginia State has gotten more per FTE from the state than VT for many years. It is still struggling because it doesn't pull in as much money per FTE from other non state sources like net tuition and fees. Other non HBCUs in Virginia have the same issue.
Anonymous
10/09/2024 19:46
Subject: Re:State report says 7 Virginia universities should be monitored as enrollment cliff approaches
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Also from the same report....
https://wtop.com/education/2024/10/3-virginia-universities-with-some-viability-risks-study-finds/
"On Monday, Sen. Mamie Locke, D-Hampton, questioned if the risks against Virginia State have any connection to the institution not being funded to the same levels as Virginia Tech after the federal government estimated a year ago that VSU is owed over $277 million in state funding from 1987 to 2020.
Like Virginia Tech, the historically Black college in Petersburg is a land grant institution.
“It’s an HBCU and this state is known for not having funded HBCUs to the levels that they should be funded,” Locke said."
Virginia continues to underfund public schools.
Virginia State gets $18,991 per in-state FTE student in general fund appropriations (state revenues appropriated for the institution). Virginia Tech gets $9,480 per in-state FTE.
https://research.schev.edu/info/Reports.Guide-to-the-Finance-Policy-Reports
A few years of increased pupil funding doesn’t reflect the many decades of underfunding - by millions & millions of dollars.
Virginia State has been getting significantly more per FTE for many years.
You think that’s enough even though their facilities are in terrible shape compared to VT, VCU, etc.?
Anonymous
10/09/2024 19:44
Subject: Re:State report says 7 Virginia universities should be monitored as enrollment cliff approaches
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Also from the same report....
https://wtop.com/education/2024/10/3-virginia-universities-with-some-viability-risks-study-finds/
"On Monday, Sen. Mamie Locke, D-Hampton, questioned if the risks against Virginia State have any connection to the institution not being funded to the same levels as Virginia Tech after the federal government estimated a year ago that VSU is owed over $277 million in state funding from 1987 to 2020.
Like Virginia Tech, the historically Black college in Petersburg is a land grant institution.
“It’s an HBCU and this state is known for not having funded HBCUs to the levels that they should be funded,” Locke said."
Virginia continues to underfund public schools.
Virginia State gets $18,991 per in-state FTE student in general fund appropriations (state revenues appropriated for the institution). Virginia Tech gets $9,480 per in-state FTE.
https://research.schev.edu/info/Reports.Guide-to-the-Finance-Policy-Reports
Shhhh. Facts are not germane here. It gets in the way of the emotional binky that VA is still a bastion of racism despite years of Democrat dominance.
The fact is that VA did not fund HBCUs to the same level as white public universities for decades.
+1 Folks can’t rig the system unfairly against HBCU’s for decades and pretend that funding at a better level now makes everything fair and square. VSU was only given 1/3 of the funding used for the formation of VT. That’s a lot of money VSU missed out on over the decades.
Anonymous
10/09/2024 19:39
Subject: Re:State report says 7 Virginia universities should be monitored as enrollment cliff approaches
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Also from the same report....
https://wtop.com/education/2024/10/3-virginia-universities-with-some-viability-risks-study-finds/
"On Monday, Sen. Mamie Locke, D-Hampton, questioned if the risks against Virginia State have any connection to the institution not being funded to the same levels as Virginia Tech after the federal government estimated a year ago that VSU is owed over $277 million in state funding from 1987 to 2020.
Like Virginia Tech, the historically Black college in Petersburg is a land grant institution.
“It’s an HBCU and this state is known for not having funded HBCUs to the levels that they should be funded,” Locke said."
Virginia continues to underfund public schools.
Virginia State gets $18,991 per in-state FTE student in general fund appropriations (state revenues appropriated for the institution). Virginia Tech gets $9,480 per in-state FTE.
https://research.schev.edu/info/Reports.Guide-to-the-Finance-Policy-Reports
A few years of increased pupil funding doesn’t reflect the many decades of underfunding - by millions & millions of dollars.
Virginia State has been getting significantly more per FTE for many years.