Anonymous
09/27/2024 10:04
Subject: Northwestern's class of 2028 URM data
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:They handled the protests horribly.
Also accepted $1B from Qatar
Their antisemitism training of incoming freshmen (class of 2028) has been very strong.
Wow. That’s great to hear!!
I was definitely pleased by that. Let's hope it pays off.
Anonymous
09/27/2024 10:02
Subject: Northwestern's class of 2028 URM data
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Wow, really impressive Native American numbers there!
Northwestern appears to have exceptional native American support and programs based on their admitted student day and freshman orientation.
Their land acknowledgement statements are very interesting and the best I have heard having toured many universities. Most schools have this weird, prayer like, groveling apology confession given by some white person in a suit. They are performative, insincere, cult like and just plain strange.
Northwestern's statement is given by a staff member who is an actual native first nation descendant, given as an historical presentation with joy and reverence. It is both forward thinking and respectful of the past, and not something focused on atonement by of blame of young adults who had zero part in what happened in this country centuries ago. It is really inspiring and I applaud NU for taking this approach.
If the Northwestern's land acknowledgement statement is any indication of how they approach support for native students, it is not surprising that their native American numbers are quite higher than average.
One thing to consider, being located in the midwest, MANY families that appear to be white have native American heritage, just 2 or 3 generations back. Commercial DNA tests make it easier to find this connection. I suspect that a portion of that percentage is midwest students who appear to be white from physical appearance, but have a grandparent or great grandparent who is half or quarter native American.
On the note of the racial breakdowns, the class of 2028 appeared to be very mixed race, as most kids are now in the US. Watching the class of 2028 parade through campus at orientation, I would estimate the class is only around 45% white with the next biggest group being mixed race.
You can’t just take a DNA test and then claim you are Native American. Most colleges require that a student be an enrolled member in a federally recognized Native American, American Indian and/or Alaska Native tribe.
Having a grandparent who is quarter Native American that you find out about through a DNA test does not mean you can mark Native American. Just like taking a DNA test and finding out you are 5% black doesn’t mean you can mark Black in a college application when you had absolutely no knowledge or ties to the Black community.
Hmm.
I suspect there are numbers of students who marked AA (or hispanic, or native) on their applications based on DNA tests. The applications simoly ask students to select all that apply, not to confirm they are involved in the community.
And in the midwest, there are definitely many people who acknowledge their native heritage without actually being involved in a tribe. I am glad though that the colleges require tribsl registration to check the box for Native American.
In this country, so many people are of mixed racial heritage. We are fortunate to be in a country where this happens so frequently.
Anonymous
09/27/2024 09:53
Subject: Northwestern's class of 2028 URM data
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:^^^My DC is there now (just started) and saying most of the kids aren’t super sociable-mainly hanging in their rooms. DC quieter also but I think would like to meet people. Looking into clubs and such-is there any party scene on campus? DC not a big boozer but would like something to do and socialize. Thanks in advance!!
Which dorm is your kid in? Mine is also a freshman and has done a bunch of social things thru the residence college. Mine also joined a club sport so is meeting some people there. Definitely encourage looking into clubs. Did your kid meet any of the other freshman at the alumni picnic? If so maybe text them and see if they want to get together? (My kid met at least two other kids that she’s been texting with, so if your kid is one of those, I’m sure my kid would be happy to meet up for something social!)
Mine too.
There is a decent sized group of DC area kids at NU.
Does your kid sing for fun? The acapella groups are forming now. They are open to anyone and apparently do a lot of social stuff. That might be an option if your kid is not a sports type.
Anonymous
09/27/2024 09:53
Subject: Northwestern's class of 2028 URM data
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Wow, really impressive Native American numbers there!
Northwestern appears to have exceptional native American support and programs based on their admitted student day and freshman orientation.
Their land acknowledgement statements are very interesting and the best I have heard having toured many universities. Most schools have this weird, prayer like, groveling apology confession given by some white person in a suit. They are performative, insincere, cult like and just plain strange.
Northwestern's statement is given by a staff member who is an actual native first nation descendant, given as an historical presentation with joy and reverence. It is both forward thinking and respectful of the past, and not something focused on atonement by of blame of young adults who had zero part in what happened in this country centuries ago. It is really inspiring and I applaud NU for taking this approach.
If the Northwestern's land acknowledgement statement is any indication of how they approach support for native students, it is not surprising that their native American numbers are quite higher than average.
One thing to consider, being located in the midwest, MANY families that appear to be white have native American heritage, just 2 or 3 generations back. Commercial DNA tests make it easier to find this connection. I suspect that a portion of that percentage is midwest students who appear to be white from physical appearance, but have a grandparent or great grandparent who is half or quarter native American.
On the note of the racial breakdowns, the class of 2028 appeared to be very mixed race, as most kids are now in the US. Watching the class of 2028 parade through campus at orientation, I would estimate the class is only around 45% white with the next biggest group being mixed race.
You can’t just take a DNA test and then claim you are Native American. Most colleges require that a student be an enrolled member in a federally recognized Native American, American Indian and/or Alaska Native tribe.
Having a grandparent who is quarter Native American that you find out about through a DNA test does not mean you can mark Native American. Just like taking a DNA test and finding out you are 5% black doesn’t mean you can mark Black in a college application when you had absolutely no knowledge or ties to the Black community.
Anonymous
09/27/2024 09:51
Subject: Northwestern's class of 2028 URM data
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:URMs with good SAT score and high GPA are being noticed by Northwestern.
I don't know if this changed at all this year, but I've noticed that it tends to be a school that attracts UMC AAs from our area.
UMC AAs are URMs too. 🙂
UMC African-descend immigrants from Africa and Caribbean. These are not really Americanized AA. They are children of very rich black people, with different home culture and intact families
Rich "black people " or not, they are still underrepresented in elite college admissions. People like you can apply whatever socio-economic or "cultural" purity test you want for URMs, but that's irrelevant.
Anonymous
09/27/2024 09:50
Subject: Northwestern's class of 2028 URM data
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:^^^My DC is there now (just started) and saying most of the kids aren’t super sociable-mainly hanging in their rooms. DC quieter also but I think would like to meet people. Looking into clubs and such-is there any party scene on campus? DC not a big boozer but would like something to do and socialize. Thanks in advance!!
It’s pretty early on. They just started on Tuesday right? Did they have any orientation stuff going on all week? We visited on Monday and the campus seemed buzzing.
Mine has been busy enough and meeting people.
From what I understand, the dorms down near the music buildings and school of communication are quieter and more studious, where the doorms up near the greek houses and engineering school are more fun and social.
Does your kid have faith? The religious houses have activities and food. For example, the Catholic center has food on the lawn and a bonfire, while the Jewish Hillel center has a bbq and other events. All are welcome to these socials.
https://sheilcatholiccenter.org/connect/new-students/
https://www.northwesternhillel.org/
Clubs are forming now. Tell your kid to jump in and try some things.
Anonymous
09/27/2024 09:45
Subject: Northwestern's class of 2028 URM data
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:URMs with good SAT score and high GPA are being noticed by Northwestern.
I don't know if this changed at all this year, but I've noticed that it tends to be a school that attracts UMC AAs from our area.
UMC AAs are URMs too. 🙂
What is your point exactly?
Hmm...that despite some ignorant peoples' notion that URMs have to be destitute to be worthy of admission to top schools, URMs of all economic strata are desirable for elite college admissions. Yes, that includes UMC African immigrant children of doctors and lawyers too.
Got it?
Hmm. As a Black-American myself who knows this, not sure what this had to do with MY post. I pointed out that I've noticed, based on my own observations within UMC Black circles in the DMV, that NU has been a destination for families in our area. I said that I didn't know if that changed this year solely because there seems to be a collective effort amongst top schools to increase socioeconomic diversity at these schools. I didn't know if that adversely impacted UMC AAs in this cycle.
Anonymous
09/27/2024 09:42
Subject: Northwestern's class of 2028 URM data
Anonymous wrote:^^^My DC is there now (just started) and saying most of the kids aren’t super sociable-mainly hanging in their rooms. DC quieter also but I think would like to meet people. Looking into clubs and such-is there any party scene on campus? DC not a big boozer but would like something to do and socialize. Thanks in advance!!
A lot of this is normal new freshman stuff at schools that don't have a bunch of dive bars taking fake IDs.
Tell them to open their door and join some clubs.
Anonymous
09/27/2024 09:38
Subject: Northwestern's class of 2028 URM data
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Wow, really impressive Native American numbers there!
Northwestern appears to have exceptional native American support and programs based on their admitted student day and freshman orientation.
Their land acknowledgement statements are very interesting and the best I have heard having toured many universities. Most schools have this weird, prayer like, groveling apology confession given by some white person in a suit. They are performative, insincere, cult like and just plain strange.
Northwestern's statement is given by a staff member who is an actual native first nation descendant, given as an historical presentation with joy and reverence. It is both forward thinking and respectful of the past, and not something focused on atonement by of blame of young adults who had zero part in what happened in this country centuries ago. It is really inspiring and I applaud NU for taking this approach.
If the Northwestern's land acknowledgement statement is any indication of how they approach support for native students, it is not surprising that their native American numbers are quite higher than average.
One thing to consider, being located in the midwest, MANY families that appear to be white have native American heritage, just 2 or 3 generations back. Commercial DNA tests make it easier to find this connection. I suspect that a portion of that percentage is midwest students who appear to be white from physical appearance, but have a grandparent or great grandparent who is half or quarter native American.
On the note of the racial breakdowns, the class of 2028 appeared to be very mixed race, as most kids are now in the US. Watching the class of 2028 parade through campus at orientation, I would estimate the class is only around 45% white with the next biggest group being mixed race.
The bolded should say white or asian
Anonymous
09/27/2024 09:37
Subject: Northwestern's class of 2028 URM data
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:They handled the protests horribly.
Also accepted $1B from Qatar
Their antisemitism training of incoming freshmen (class of 2028) has been very strong.
Wow. That’s great to hear!!
Anonymous
09/27/2024 09:37
Subject: Re:Northwestern's class of 2028 URM data
Anonymous wrote:No mention of Asian American students. Weird
Based on freshman orientation, asians and white are around 45-50% of the school population, with mixed race being the next group.
I posted earlier about the 2028 student orientation appearing 45% white. It should have said white or asian.
Anonymous
09/27/2024 09:30
Subject: Northwestern's class of 2028 URM data
Anonymous wrote:They handled the protests horribly.
Also accepted $1B from Qatar
Their antisemitism training of incoming freshmen (class of 2028) has been very strong.
Anonymous
09/27/2024 09:29
Subject: Northwestern's class of 2028 URM data
Anonymous wrote:Wow, really impressive Native American numbers there!
Northwestern appears to have exceptional native American support and programs based on their admitted student day and freshman orientation.
Their land acknowledgement statements are very interesting and the best I have heard having toured many universities. Most schools have this weird, prayer like, groveling apology confession given by some white person in a suit. They are performative, insincere, cult like and just plain strange.
Northwestern's statement is given by a staff member who is an actual native first nation descendant, given as an historical presentation with joy and reverence. It is both forward thinking and respectful of the past, and not something focused on atonement by of blame of young adults who had zero part in what happened in this country centuries ago. It is really inspiring and I applaud NU for taking this approach.
If the Northwestern's land acknowledgement statement is any indication of how they approach support for native students, it is not surprising that their native American numbers are quite higher than average.
One thing to consider, being located in the midwest, MANY families that appear to be white have native American heritage, just 2 or 3 generations back. Commercial DNA tests make it easier to find this connection. I suspect that a portion of that percentage is midwest students who appear to be white from physical appearance, but have a grandparent or great grandparent who is half or quarter native American.
On the note of the racial breakdowns, the class of 2028 appeared to be very mixed race, as most kids are now in the US. Watching the class of 2028 parade through campus at orientation, I would estimate the class is only around 45% white with the next biggest group being mixed race.
Anonymous
09/27/2024 09:27
Subject: Northwestern's class of 2028 URM data
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:until it is test required and names plus race removed during application evaluation, it isn't truly meritocratic.
Of course it is. You just can't accept that others define merit differently.
There is a pretty well accepted definition of merit.
It doesn't include skin color or family wealth.
It usually includes objective criteria.
Wrong. Wholistic is the opposite of objective and most schools prefer wholistic. They want the actor with dyslexia, and the artist who isn't great at math, and the writer with ADHD, and the high SAT future physics professor, and, and, and, etc, etc. etc.
Anonymous
09/27/2024 09:23
Subject: Northwestern's class of 2028 URM data
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:URMs with good SAT score and high GPA are being noticed by Northwestern.
I don't know if this changed at all this year, but I've noticed that it tends to be a school that attracts UMC AAs from our area.
UMC AAs are URMs too. 🙂
UMC African-descend immigrants from Africa and Caribbean. These are not really Americanized AA. They are children of very rich black people, with different home culture and intact families