Anonymous wrote:Which goes back to the question. What the hell can Democrats do at this point to fix any of it?

Vote D at the national level to block a nation wide restriction on abortion.

Vote D at the state level to preserve rights - embed in state constitution if possible.

Sadly I think over time from enough conservative moms and wives dying of denied care in Red states the R politicians there will be forced to course correct a bit.

And don’t let your daughters go to college in red states.

Anonymous wrote:Doctors are the enemy. They will eventually have no say in their decisions. Privacy will be a thing of the past.

Then you won't have any doctors. Have fun.

I reported the first comments about this because the fact that most OBgyns do not perform elective abortions is completely off-topic for this thread. OBGyns at a hospital presented with a woman in septic shock need to perform a D&C, and this woman DIED because they took 20 hours to do so. There will be a septic abortion ward like there was in 1960s at every hospital in half the states in this country if we keep going like this.

Doctors are the enemy. They will eventually have no say in their decisions. Privacy will be a thing of the past.

You also cannot keep up your skills if you are doing them infrequently. This is a very real thing in surgical procedures, and you cannot maintain your hospital credentialling to perform surgical procedures if you aren't able to do a certain number every year.

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Anonymous wrote:Most Doctors do not want to perform abortions and this has been the reality for decades.

I listened to an interview with an ob-gyn who performed abortions and he said there were three peer reviewed studies within the past 10 years that have consistently shown over 85% of ob-gyns refuse to do abortions.

My OB in NC wouldn’t perform elective abortions. I asked bout this because my second kid nearly killed me and I was told it was not safe to have another. She said she didn’t do elective abortions, it her practice always had at least one MD who did, and if I needed one she would refer me to them. She did perform D&Cs for incomplete miscarriages and abort ectopic pregnancies— so provide medically necessary abortion care. I know this because I had one of each.

IDK the percent, but some OBs do decide not to provide *elective* abortion care. But those that don’t will refer patients out to a colleague or planned parenthood or whatnot. And do perform the medically necessary ones.

Maybe there are malpractice insurance implications if there is more than one doctor who does them.

Maybe their malpractice insurance is even higher and therefore practices can only afford to have one do them.

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Anonymous wrote:Most Doctors do not want to perform abortions and this has been the reality for decades.

I listened to an interview with an ob-gyn who performed abortions and he said there were three peer reviewed studies within the past 10 years that have consistently shown over 85% of ob-gyns refuse to do abortions.

link to the studies?

There aren’t any. They pulled that directly out of their tush.

DP no. Most Ob-gyn will not do it because of the violence against and targeting of doctors who do provide abortions. LE refuses to protect them for domestic terrorists. Pregnant women should not travel or vacation in any of these red states. You could end up like that woman in Atlanta.

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Anonymous wrote:Most Doctors do not want to perform abortions and this has been the reality for decades.

I listened to an interview with an ob-gyn who performed abortions and he said there were three peer reviewed studies within the past 10 years that have consistently shown over 85% of ob-gyns refuse to do abortions.

My OB in NC wouldn’t perform elective abortions. I asked bout this because my second kid nearly killed me and I was told it was not safe to have another. She said she didn’t do elective abortions, it her practice always had at least one MD who did, and if I needed one she would refer me to them. She did perform D&Cs for incomplete miscarriages and abort ectopic pregnancies— so provide medically necessary abortion care. I know this because I had one of each.

IDK the percent, but some OBs do decide not to provide *elective* abortion care. But those that don’t will refer patients out to a colleague or planned parenthood or whatnot. And do perform the medically necessary ones.

Maybe there are malpractice insurance implications if there is more than one doctor who does them.

Anonymous wrote:Do you have a job? Do you take it seriously, and maybe sacrificed years of your life and lots of money to get this career?

And do you have a spouse, kids, and mortgage?

Now imagine tomorrow, you go to work. There is a situation where if you make an ethically defensible choice, you may be arrested, your family doxxed, your license to practice forever tainted. Where would YOUR priority lie? In a gray area, I expect the physician; to prioritize being there for his or her kids. There will be another sick woman tomorrow, and that one, maybe they’ll be allowed to save.

NP

Even moreso, what do you think happens when a doctor is investigate din these cases?

**just investigated, not found at fault**

First, your hospital privileges are suspended while the investigation unfolds. This means you cannot take care of your patients. Sometimes your license is suspended -- this means you cannot renew medications, sign insurance forms, or anything else presenting yourself as a doctor until the investigation (which may be run correctly or not) is completed and a judgment on you formally made.

OP and other who are so hell-bent on blaming doctors for this -- why don't you care about the dozens or hundreds of other women this affects? It's not if, but WHEN, other patients that doctor takes care of are exactly in the same boat with nobody taking care of them.

Fix the legal and political system. Don't hogtie doctors and then blame them for trying to take car eof the patients they still can, while they can, in this hellscape.

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Anonymous wrote:Most Doctors do not want to perform abortions and this has been the reality for decades.

I listened to an interview with an ob-gyn who performed abortions and he said there were three peer reviewed studies within the past 10 years that have consistently shown over 85% of ob-gyns refuse to do abortions.

link to the studies?

There aren’t any. They pulled that directly out of their tush.

Google does exist so go look up it up yourself if you think people are making it up. A lot of doctors will refer the patient out but a vast majority are unwilling to perform the abortion themselves and then you have to ask yourself why.

You have to ask yourself why, if these statistics are so easily findable, you as the person making the claim can’t prove it.

A survey of U.S. obstetricians and gynecologists has found that while nearly 3 out of 4 had a patient who wanted to end a pregnancy in the past year, fewer than 1 in 4 were willing and able to perform one themselves.

Among the doctors who answered questions about the procedure, 1 in 3 cited personal, religious or moral reasons for not providing abortion services.

But conscientious objections to abortion were hardly the only factor influencing OB-GYNs’ decisions. As reported in a study published this week by the journal Obstetrics & Gynecology, 19% of the specialists who did not provide abortion care despite having patients who wanted it said that practical considerations — specifically, restrictions imposed on their practice settings — made it difficult or impossible for them to do so. And another 16% cited the attitudes of office staff in discouraging them from providing abortions.

https://www.latimes.com/science/sciencenow/la-sci-sn-doctors-medical-abortion-20190208-story.html

Among practicing obstetrician–gynecologists, 97% encountered patients seeking abortions, while 14% performed them. Young female physicians were the most likely to provide abortions (18.6% vs. 10.6%, adjusted OR = 2.54, 95% CI = 1.57–4.08), as were those in the Northeast or West, those in highly urban zip codes, and those who identify as Jewish. Catholics, Evangelical Protestants, non–Evangelical Protestants, and physicians with high religious motivation were less likely to provide abortions.

https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC3170127/#:~:text=Among%20practicing%20obstetrician–gynecologists%2C%2097,provide%20abortions%20

Nationally, just over one in ten office-based OBGYNs (14%) provide in-person medication abortions, 13% provide aspiration abortions, 12% provide dilation and evacuation abortions, and only 5% provide telehealth medication abortions post-Dobbs (Figure 1).

Many OBGYNs say they will refer their patients to another clinician for abortion services but don’t provide abortions themselves. Nearly three in ten OBGYNs say they do not provide nor refer their patients to abortion services, but they do share information about resources (e.g., a link to a website such as Abortion Finder or Plan C) (25-29% across different types of abortions). For most abortion procedures and in-person medication abortions, one in eight OBGYNs (12-13%) do not provide, refer, or offer information to their patients about abortion services. One in five (21%) do not provide, refer, or offer information to their patients about telehealth medication abortions (Figure 2).

https://www.kff.org/report-section/a-national-survey-of-obgyns-experiences-after-dobbs-report/

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Anonymous wrote:Most Doctors do not want to perform abortions and this has been the reality for decades.

I listened to an interview with an ob-gyn who performed abortions and he said there were three peer reviewed studies within the past 10 years that have consistently shown over 85% of ob-gyns refuse to do abortions.

link to the studies?

There aren’t any. They pulled that directly out of their tush.

Google does exist so go look up it up yourself if you think people are making it up. A lot of doctors will refer the patient out but a vast majority are unwilling to perform the abortion themselves and then you have to ask yourself why.

You have to ask yourself why, if these statistics are so easily findable, you as the person making the claim can’t prove it.

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Anonymous wrote:Most Doctors do not want to perform abortions and this has been the reality for decades.

I listened to an interview with an ob-gyn who performed abortions and he said there were three peer reviewed studies within the past 10 years that have consistently shown over 85% of ob-gyns refuse to do abortions.

link to the studies?

There aren’t any. They pulled that directly out of their tush.

Google does exist so go look up it up yourself if you think people are making it up. A lot of doctors will refer the patient out but a vast majority are unwilling to perform the abortion themselves and then you have to ask yourself why.

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Anonymous wrote:Most Doctors do not want to perform abortions and this has been the reality for decades.

I listened to an interview with an ob-gyn who performed abortions and he said there were three peer reviewed studies within the past 10 years that have consistently shown over 85% of ob-gyns refuse to do abortions.

My OB in NC wouldn’t perform elective abortions. I asked bout this because my second kid nearly killed me and I was told it was not safe to have another. She said she didn’t do elective abortions, it her practice always had at least one MD who did, and if I needed one she would refer me to them. She did perform D&Cs for incomplete miscarriages and abort ectopic pregnancies— so provide medically necessary abortion care. I know this because I had one of each.

IDK the percent, but some OBs do decide not to provide *elective* abortion care. But those that don’t will refer patients out to a colleague or planned parenthood or whatnot. And do perform the medically necessary ones.

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Anonymous wrote:Most Doctors do not want to perform abortions and this has been the reality for decades.

I listened to an interview with an ob-gyn who performed abortions and he said there were three peer reviewed studies within the past 10 years that have consistently shown over 85% of ob-gyns refuse to do abortions.

link to the studies?

There aren’t any. They pulled that directly out of their tush.

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Anonymous wrote:Most Doctors do not want to perform abortions and this has been the reality for decades.

I listened to an interview with an ob-gyn who performed abortions and he said there were three peer reviewed studies within the past 10 years that have consistently shown over 85% of ob-gyns refuse to do abortions.

link to the studies?

Particularly studies that differentiate between OBs that morally object to abortions and those that find that the legal/political/liability landscape is too cumbersome to navigate.