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The local lists are starting to come out.

https://www.mymcmedia.org/158-county-students-named-national-merit-semifinalists/

Congrats to the following MoCo non-publics whose students made the list:

Holton-Arms School (5)
Georgetown Preparatory School (3)
Our Lady of Good Counsel High School (2)
Heights School (1)
Landon School (1)
Living Grace Christian School (1)
Sandy Spring Friends School (1)
Charles E. Smith Jewish Day School (1)
Washington Waldorf School (1)
Yeshiva of Greater Washington (1)
Homeschool (1)


Congrats especially to Living Grace Christian School (tuition $5,750) and Yeshiva of Greater Washington ($19,950), which I have never seen on this board, for tying perpetual DCUM topics Landon ($52,360) and SSFS ($43,200), and defeating Bullis ($53,405 tuition, zero NMSF).

[Yes, I know the school doesn't necessarily have that much to do students' success on the SAT -- intentionally so, via test design -- but I enjoy being snarky.]

Thank you for sharing this! My DC is a Freshman but it is interesting to see the results.

For the sheer volume of bashing that MCPS and all public schools in general get by parents on this sub-forum, it was eye-opening to see the results of our MCPS HS compared to the most expensive Privates around here. I teach my kids to be gracious and I will do the same.

Congratulations to every student- homeschooled or public schooled or private schooled, who made it to the list!! I am sure your hard work paid off!

8.8% of Sidwell’s seniors are NMSFs this year. Which MoCo public has a higher percentage? I’m not trying to argue…just genuinely curious.

When my kid was at TJ, it was about 150 nmsfs out of about 420 kids.

When I was at TJ it was about 120, but yeah. It's only 81 there this year!

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Anonymous wrote:More added:

Holton-Arms School (5)
Georgetown Preparatory School (3)
Our Lady of Good Counsel High School (2)
Heights School (1)
Landon School (1)
Living Grace Christian School (1)
Sandy Spring Friends School (1)
Charles E. Smith Jewish Day School (1)
Washington Waldorf School (1)
Yeshiva of Greater Washington (1)
Homeschool (1)
SSSA (4)
Bishop Ireton (1)
Immanuel Christian (2)

And now:
Oakcrest (1)
New School of Northern Virginia (1)
Pinnacle Academy (1)
Trinity Christian (1)
Trinity School at Mountain View (1)
Dominion Christian School (1)
Basis Independent McLean (4)
Madeira (3)
Potomac School (9)
Flint Hill (2)
Ideaventions Academy of Math and Science (2)

Wow - that’s a huge number for Potomac bc their grades are not that big

Isn't Potomac class over 150 students?

Yeah, PP’s comment that Potomac isn’t that big is hilarious. It literally has the biggest senior class on that list for Virginia, except maybe Flint Hill. Potomac has several times (in some cases almost 10x) the class size that some of the other schools on that list with 1 or 2 NMSF have.

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For DC it looks like less than 50 kids?

SFS 11
GDS 7
STA 6
Walls 6
NCS 3
Basis 3
WIS 2
St John’s 2
Latin 2
Maret 1
Field 1
JR 1
Gonzaga 1

Interesting. At the top end in Texas you have private schools with 20-30% of their graduating class earning NMSF.

I’m guessing the discrepancy has to do with distribution of student bodies among public/private schools among other things.

Compare the score cut cutoff for Texas and DC. That’s your answer.

Cutoffs this year
Texas 219
Virginia 222
Maryland 222
DC 223 (as a poster notes they get stuck with MA/NJ’s cutoff)

PP as asking why so many more in TX and the answer is because TX has more students, thus is given a larger number of semifinalist spots. It's a proportional allotment.

That is not what I am asking: The allocations are proportional to students in each state/district and the cutoffs are proportional to top 1% of each jurisdiction. What I am asking is why do the top private schools in Texas get larger CLUSTERS of NMSF than their comparable schools in DC area.

In Dallas, St. Mark's School of Texas had 29 this year out of a class of about 100 (30% of class). Hockaday 13 out of 125 (10% of class).

I don't think the cutoffs explain all of it. Basically you need around a 1486 PSAT in DC/VA and 1460 in Texas to make the corresponding cutoffs, and both of those scores are still 99th percentile nationally. So that can't explain all of the different distribution nor does the allocation of spots because those are proportional.

My guess reading through the thread is that TJ is taking up 99th percentile kids that would probably otherwise cluster in the top privates whereas Dallas doesn't have anything public quite as comparable as TJ. Dallas Academy for Talented and Gifted (closest public to TJ) had 16 out of a lower hundreds class size.

No. TJ is in VA, it doesn’t take from the top private schools in the area. It has nothing to do with that.

It does actually. Every year, at each private, usually 1-2 or more turn down the private after TJ admissions are out. I can name more than a few in older DC's TJ class that we saw at the admissions events for top privates. That's not even counting the ones that decide not to go because of Moco programs which release invites before the private school deadlines.

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For DC it looks like less than 50 kids?

SFS 11
GDS 7
STA 6
Walls 6
NCS 3
Basis 3
WIS 2
St John’s 2
Latin 2
Maret 1
Field 1
JR 1
Gonzaga 1

Sidwell leads every year. What are they doing to prep these kids?

They don't. Many of them were known to be high scorers on tests coming into 9th. A lot of these top schools take "sure bets" at 9th to boost lists like these and college admissions.

That is how it goes in life. IVYs then pick up these “sure bets” based on test scores. And the test scores then get these “sure bets” to T-14 schools and to Big Law and big money …yada yada yada.

So no, schools don’t recruit high achievers to boost lists like these…

You sound pretty ignorant about how admissions work.

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:It's me, your local testaholic!

The local lists are starting to come out.

https://www.mymcmedia.org/158-county-students-named-national-merit-semifinalists/

Congrats to the following MoCo non-publics whose students made the list:

Holton-Arms School (5)
Georgetown Preparatory School (3)
Our Lady of Good Counsel High School (2)
Heights School (1)
Landon School (1)
Living Grace Christian School (1)
Sandy Spring Friends School (1)
Charles E. Smith Jewish Day School (1)
Washington Waldorf School (1)
Yeshiva of Greater Washington (1)
Homeschool (1)


Congrats especially to Living Grace Christian School (tuition $5,750) and Yeshiva of Greater Washington ($19,950), which I have never seen on this board, for tying perpetual DCUM topics Landon ($52,360) and SSFS ($43,200), and defeating Bullis ($53,405 tuition, zero NMSF).

[Yes, I know the school doesn't necessarily have that much to do students' success on the SAT -- intentionally so, via test design -- but I enjoy being snarky.]

Thank you for sharing this! My DC is a Freshman but it is interesting to see the results.

For the sheer volume of bashing that MCPS and all public schools in general get by parents on this sub-forum, it was eye-opening to see the results of our MCPS HS compared to the most expensive Privates around here. I teach my kids to be gracious and I will do the same.

Congratulations to every student- homeschooled or public schooled or private schooled, who made it to the list!! I am sure your hard work paid off!

8.8% of Sidwell’s seniors are NMSFs this year. Which MoCo public has a higher percentage? I’m not trying to argue…just genuinely curious.

The comparables would be the magnet programs, where kids have access to a stronger curriculum. 42/100 Blair magnet seniors and 24/100 Richard Montgomery magnet students earned NMSF.

Nope, that’s not how this works. That’s like Sidwell saying it only wants to count the students in the top 10-15% of the grade, based on GPA.
So, how many seniors TOTAL are in Blair and RM’s grades? This calculation requires the denominator.

Sidwell is an application based program. Kids are selected from a large pool to attend. Blair and RM magnets are application based programs. Kids are selected from an even larger pool to attend. I think the fair denominator is the size of the magnets.

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For DC it looks like less than 50 kids?

SFS 11
GDS 7
STA 6
Walls 6
NCS 3
Basis 3
WIS 2
St John’s 2
Latin 2
Maret 1
Field 1
JR 1
Gonzaga 1

Sidwell leads every year. What are they doing to prep these kids?

They don't. Many of them were known to be high scorers on tests coming into 9th. A lot of these top schools take "sure bets" at 9th to boost lists like these and college admissions.

That is how it goes in life. IVYs then pick up these “sure bets” based on test scores. And the test scores then get these “sure bets” to T-14 schools and to Big Law and big money …yada yada yada.

So no, schools don’t recruit high achievers to boost lists like these…

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:It's me, your local testaholic!

The local lists are starting to come out.

https://www.mymcmedia.org/158-county-students-named-national-merit-semifinalists/

Congrats to the following MoCo non-publics whose students made the list:

Holton-Arms School (5)
Georgetown Preparatory School (3)
Our Lady of Good Counsel High School (2)
Heights School (1)
Landon School (1)
Living Grace Christian School (1)
Sandy Spring Friends School (1)
Charles E. Smith Jewish Day School (1)
Washington Waldorf School (1)
Yeshiva of Greater Washington (1)
Homeschool (1)


Congrats especially to Living Grace Christian School (tuition $5,750) and Yeshiva of Greater Washington ($19,950), which I have never seen on this board, for tying perpetual DCUM topics Landon ($52,360) and SSFS ($43,200), and defeating Bullis ($53,405 tuition, zero NMSF).

[Yes, I know the school doesn't necessarily have that much to do students' success on the SAT -- intentionally so, via test design -- but I enjoy being snarky.]

Thank you for sharing this! My DC is a Freshman but it is interesting to see the results.

For the sheer volume of bashing that MCPS and all public schools in general get by parents on this sub-forum, it was eye-opening to see the results of our MCPS HS compared to the most expensive Privates around here. I teach my kids to be gracious and I will do the same.

Congratulations to every student- homeschooled or public schooled or private schooled, who made it to the list!! I am sure your hard work paid off!

8.8% of Sidwell’s seniors are NMSFs this year. Which MoCo public has a higher percentage? I’m not trying to argue…just genuinely curious.

When posters are comparing MCPS to privates they are usually talking about the magnets. They are comparing special programs that are 100-125 at places like Poolesville, RMIB, and Blair magnet kids v the larger competitive privates that have classes of about the same size. In MCPS magnets, 20-40% are NMSFs depending on the program.

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For DC it looks like less than 50 kids?

SFS 11
GDS 7
STA 6
Walls 6
NCS 3
Basis 3
WIS 2
St John’s 2
Latin 2
Maret 1
Field 1
JR 1
Gonzaga 1

Sidwell leads every year. What are they doing to prep these kids?

They don't. Many of them were known to be high scorers on tests coming into 9th. A lot of these top schools take "sure bets" at 9th to boost lists like these and college admissions.

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Anonymous wrote:https://www.reddit.com/r/psat/comments/1fehvjy/2025_nmsf_delaware_and_washington_dc/#lightbox

For DC it looks like less than 50 kids?

SFS 11
GDS 7
STA 6
Walls 6
NCS 3
Basis 3
WIS 2
St John’s 2
Latin 2
Maret 1
Field 1
JR 1
Gonzaga 1

Interesting. At the top end in Texas you have private schools with 20-30% of their graduating class earning NMSF.

I’m guessing the discrepancy has to do with distribution of student bodies among public/private schools among other things.

Compare the score cut cutoff for Texas and DC. That’s your answer.

Cutoffs this year
Texas 219
Virginia 222
Maryland 222
DC 223 (as a poster notes they get stuck with MA/NJ’s cutoff)

PP as asking why so many more in TX and the answer is because TX has more students, thus is given a larger number of semifinalist spots. It's a proportional allotment.

That is not what I am asking: The allocations are proportional to students in each state/district and the cutoffs are proportional to top 1% of each jurisdiction. What I am asking is why do the top private schools in Texas get larger CLUSTERS of NMSF than their comparable schools in DC area.

In Dallas, St. Mark's School of Texas had 29 this year out of a class of about 100 (30% of class). Hockaday 13 out of 125 (10% of class).

I don't think the cutoffs explain all of it. Basically you need around a 1486 PSAT in DC/VA and 1460 in Texas to make the corresponding cutoffs, and both of those scores are still 99th percentile nationally. So that can't explain all of the different distribution nor does the allocation of spots because those are proportional.

My guess reading through the thread is that TJ is taking up 99th percentile kids that would probably otherwise cluster in the top privates whereas Dallas doesn't have anything public quite as comparable as TJ. Dallas Academy for Talented and Gifted (closest public to TJ) had 16 out of a lower hundreds class size.

No. TJ is in VA, it doesn’t take from the top private schools in the area. It has nothing to do with that.

Some of it is the cut-off. I have a kid who would have made it in Texas but not in DC (PSAT score of 1470). His closest friend is the same. 1486 to 1460 is actually a pretty big gap--i means you go from getting maybe 2-3 questions wrong to twice that number. It's kind of a big gap.

Then you look at the NMSF names at St. Marks, most are Asian or South Asian. The DC schools just don't draw many of either. The numbers are really small. Why? Very, very few Asians live in DC proper and few commute in from suburbia in for high school.

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Anonymous wrote:More added:

Holton-Arms School (5)
Georgetown Preparatory School (3)
Our Lady of Good Counsel High School (2)
Heights School (1)
Landon School (1)
Living Grace Christian School (1)
Sandy Spring Friends School (1)
Charles E. Smith Jewish Day School (1)
Washington Waldorf School (1)
Yeshiva of Greater Washington (1)
Homeschool (1)
SSSA (4)
Bishop Ireton (1)
Immanuel Christian (2)

And now:
Oakcrest (1)
New School of Northern Virginia (1)
Pinnacle Academy (1)
Trinity Christian (1)
Trinity School at Mountain View (1)
Dominion Christian School (1)
Basis Independent McLean (4)
Madeira (3)
Potomac School (9)
Flint Hill (2)
Ideaventions Academy of Math and Science (2)

Wow - that’s a huge number for Potomac bc their grades are not that big

Isn't Potomac class over 150 students?

No I think 130?

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For DC it looks like less than 50 kids?

SFS 11
GDS 7
STA 6
Walls 6
NCS 3
Basis 3
WIS 2
St John’s 2
Latin 2
Maret 1
Field 1
JR 1
Gonzaga 1

Interesting. At the top end in Texas you have private schools with 20-30% of their graduating class earning NMSF.

I’m guessing the discrepancy has to do with distribution of student bodies among public/private schools among other things.

Compare the score cut cutoff for Texas and DC. That’s your answer.

Cutoffs this year
Texas 219
Virginia 222
Maryland 222
DC 223 (as a poster notes they get stuck with MA/NJ’s cutoff)

PP as asking why so many more in TX and the answer is because TX has more students, thus is given a larger number of semifinalist spots. It's a proportional allotment.

That is not what I am asking: The allocations are proportional to students in each state/district and the cutoffs are proportional to top 1% of each jurisdiction. What I am asking is why do the top private schools in Texas get larger CLUSTERS of NMSF than their comparable schools in DC area.

In Dallas, St. Mark's School of Texas had 29 this year out of a class of about 100 (30% of class). Hockaday 13 out of 125 (10% of class).

I don't think the cutoffs explain all of it. Basically you need around a 1486 PSAT in DC/VA and 1460 in Texas to make the corresponding cutoffs, and both of those scores are still 99th percentile nationally. So that can't explain all of the different distribution nor does the allocation of spots because those are proportional.

My guess reading through the thread is that TJ is taking up 99th percentile kids that would probably otherwise cluster in the top privates whereas Dallas doesn't have anything public quite as comparable as TJ. Dallas Academy for Talented and Gifted (closest public to TJ) had 16 out of a lower hundreds class size.

No. TJ is in VA, it doesn’t take from the top private schools in the area. It has nothing to do with that.

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Anonymous wrote:https://www.reddit.com/r/psat/comments/1fehvjy/2025_nmsf_delaware_and_washington_dc/#lightbox

For DC it looks like less than 50 kids?

SFS 11
GDS 7
STA 6
Walls 6
NCS 3
Basis 3
WIS 2
St John’s 2
Latin 2
Maret 1
Field 1
JR 1
Gonzaga 1

Interesting. At the top end in Texas you have private schools with 20-30% of their graduating class earning NMSF.

I’m guessing the discrepancy has to do with distribution of student bodies among public/private schools among other things.

Compare the score cut cutoff for Texas and DC. That’s your answer.

Cutoffs this year
Texas 219
Virginia 222
Maryland 222
DC 223 (as a poster notes they get stuck with MA/NJ’s cutoff)

PP as asking why so many more in TX and the answer is because TX has more students, thus is given a larger number of semifinalist spots. It's a proportional allotment.

That is not what I am asking: The allocations are proportional to students in each state/district and the cutoffs are proportional to top 1% of each jurisdiction. What I am asking is why do the top private schools in Texas get larger CLUSTERS of NMSF than their comparable schools in DC area.

In Dallas, St. Mark's School of Texas had 29 this year out of a class of about 100 (30% of class). Hockaday 13 out of 125 (10% of class).

I don't think the cutoffs explain all of it. Basically you need around a 1486 PSAT in DC/VA and 1460 in Texas to make the corresponding cutoffs, and both of those scores are still 99th percentile nationally. So that can't explain all of the different distribution nor does the allocation of spots because those are proportional.

My guess reading through the thread is that TJ is taking up 99th percentile kids that would probably otherwise cluster in the top privates whereas Dallas doesn't have anything public quite as comparable as TJ. Dallas Academy for Talented and Gifted (closest public to TJ) had 16 out of a lower hundreds class size.

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Anonymous wrote:More added:

Holton-Arms School (5)
Georgetown Preparatory School (3)
Our Lady of Good Counsel High School (2)
Heights School (1)
Landon School (1)
Living Grace Christian School (1)
Sandy Spring Friends School (1)
Charles E. Smith Jewish Day School (1)
Washington Waldorf School (1)
Yeshiva of Greater Washington (1)
Homeschool (1)
SSSA (4)
Bishop Ireton (1)
Immanuel Christian (2)

And now:
Oakcrest (1)
New School of Northern Virginia (1)
Pinnacle Academy (1)
Trinity Christian (1)
Trinity School at Mountain View (1)
Dominion Christian School (1)
Basis Independent McLean (4)
Madeira (3)
Potomac School (9)
Flint Hill (2)
Ideaventions Academy of Math and Science (2)

Wow - that’s a huge number for Potomac bc their grades are not that big

Isn't Potomac class over 150 students?

According to the most recent school profile, Potomac has 475 students in the US. So, that’s almost 120 students/grade. That means about 7.5% of the seniors are NMSFs.

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Anonymous wrote:More added:

Holton-Arms School (5)
Georgetown Preparatory School (3)
Our Lady of Good Counsel High School (2)
Heights School (1)
Landon School (1)
Living Grace Christian School (1)
Sandy Spring Friends School (1)
Charles E. Smith Jewish Day School (1)
Washington Waldorf School (1)
Yeshiva of Greater Washington (1)
Homeschool (1)
SSSA (4)
Bishop Ireton (1)
Immanuel Christian (2)

And now:
Oakcrest (1)
New School of Northern Virginia (1)
Pinnacle Academy (1)
Trinity Christian (1)
Trinity School at Mountain View (1)
Dominion Christian School (1)
Basis Independent McLean (4)
Madeira (3)
Potomac School (9)
Flint Hill (2)
Ideaventions Academy of Math and Science (2)

Wow - that’s a huge number for Potomac bc their grades are not that big

Isn't Potomac class over 150 students?

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:It's me, your local testaholic!

The local lists are starting to come out.

https://www.mymcmedia.org/158-county-students-named-national-merit-semifinalists/

Congrats to the following MoCo non-publics whose students made the list:

Holton-Arms School (5)
Georgetown Preparatory School (3)
Our Lady of Good Counsel High School (2)
Heights School (1)
Landon School (1)
Living Grace Christian School (1)
Sandy Spring Friends School (1)
Charles E. Smith Jewish Day School (1)
Washington Waldorf School (1)
Yeshiva of Greater Washington (1)
Homeschool (1)


Congrats especially to Living Grace Christian School (tuition $5,750) and Yeshiva of Greater Washington ($19,950), which I have never seen on this board, for tying perpetual DCUM topics Landon ($52,360) and SSFS ($43,200), and defeating Bullis ($53,405 tuition, zero NMSF).

[Yes, I know the school doesn't necessarily have that much to do students' success on the SAT -- intentionally so, via test design -- but I enjoy being snarky.]

Thank you for sharing this! My DC is a Freshman but it is interesting to see the results.

For the sheer volume of bashing that MCPS and all public schools in general get by parents on this sub-forum, it was eye-opening to see the results of our MCPS HS compared to the most expensive Privates around here. I teach my kids to be gracious and I will do the same.

Congratulations to every student- homeschooled or public schooled or private schooled, who made it to the list!! I am sure your hard work paid off!

8.8% of Sidwell’s seniors are NMSFs this year. Which MoCo public has a higher percentage? I’m not trying to argue…just genuinely curious.

When my kid was at TJ, it was about 150 nmsfs out of about 420 kids.

What is it now, in 2024?

I remember when Ivies admitted 15-20% of applicants. That fact isn’t relevant to this discussion either.

About half of that number, thanks to the racist TJ Reform.

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