Anonymous
08/15/2024 02:38
Subject: Why does college prestige matter to you? Rank these reasons.
Acceptance rate is enough to indicate how prestigious, elite and desirable a college is..
Any acceptance more than 10% is not prestigious tbh
Any acceptance more than 10% is not prestigious tbh
Anonymous
08/15/2024 01:40
Subject: Re:Why does college prestige matter to you? Rank these reasons.
Anonymous wrote:The evidence is that in VA, a state with many strong universities, only UVA (the highest ranking school) has a comparable freshman math course.Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:What do you mean? I just gave a task to compare the courses yourself; you can't disagree with that. If you want to refute me, find a comparable course at a VA school outside UVA (or MD school outside MD, etc), ignoring other elite schools of course.Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:https://math.cornell.edu/lower-level-courses (scroll to bottom)Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:I’m just happy that people aren’t putting 3 at the top. There’s too many PhDs coming out of the Ivy league, let alone the rest of the T50, to even begin suggesting that there’s some extreme difference in education. Unless your kid is on the bounds and is highly highly intelligent (like top 0.001%) where they need specialized/accelerated instruction to the level of grad school near freshman year, you’re probably receiving a very similar education to others.
Even a standard freshman course like math 2230 at Cornell will exceed the level of rigor of any freshman math course at most lower ranked universities
Cite?
https://pi.math.cornell.edu/~allenk/courses/14/2230/
Compre this to the freshman math options at most other lower ranked schools (e.g. any VA school besides UVA)
I don't think this is true.
In the thread it was asserted that "even a standard freshman course like math 2230 at Cornell will exceed the level of rigor of any freshman math course at most lower ranked universities. This was asserted without evidence so it can also be dismissed without evidence. The burden is not on me.
Show us the courses that you say are and aren't comparable.
Anonymous
08/15/2024 01:36
Subject: Re:Why does college prestige matter to you? Rank these reasons.
Anonymous wrote:The evidence is that in VA, a state with many strong universities, only UVA (the highest ranking school) has a comparable freshman math course.Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:What do you mean? I just gave a task to compare the courses yourself; you can't disagree with that. If you want to refute me, find a comparable course at a VA school outside UVA (or MD school outside MD, etc), ignoring other elite schools of course.Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:https://math.cornell.edu/lower-level-courses (scroll to bottom)Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:I’m just happy that people aren’t putting 3 at the top. There’s too many PhDs coming out of the Ivy league, let alone the rest of the T50, to even begin suggesting that there’s some extreme difference in education. Unless your kid is on the bounds and is highly highly intelligent (like top 0.001%) where they need specialized/accelerated instruction to the level of grad school near freshman year, you’re probably receiving a very similar education to others.
Even a standard freshman course like math 2230 at Cornell will exceed the level of rigor of any freshman math course at most lower ranked universities
Cite?
https://pi.math.cornell.edu/~allenk/courses/14/2230/
Compre this to the freshman math options at most other lower ranked schools (e.g. any VA school besides UVA)
I don't think this is true.
In the thread it was asserted that "even a standard freshman course like math 2230 at Cornell will exceed the level of rigor of any freshman math course at most lower ranked universities. This was asserted without evidence so it can also be dismissed without evidence. The burden is not on me.
What is the UVA course you are saying is comparable?
Anonymous
08/14/2024 23:58
Subject: Why does college prestige matter to you? Rank these reasons.
3 quality of teaching/academics
2 networking
4 recruited opps
2 networking
4 recruited opps
Anonymous
08/14/2024 23:56
Subject: Re:Why does college prestige matter to you? Rank these reasons.
Anonymous wrote:The evidence is that in VA, a state with many strong universities, only UVA (the highest ranking school) has a comparable freshman math course.Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:What do you mean? I just gave a task to compare the courses yourself; you can't disagree with that. If you want to refute me, find a comparable course at a VA school outside UVA (or MD school outside MD, etc), ignoring other elite schools of course.Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:https://math.cornell.edu/lower-level-courses (scroll to bottom)Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:I’m just happy that people aren’t putting 3 at the top. There’s too many PhDs coming out of the Ivy league, let alone the rest of the T50, to even begin suggesting that there’s some extreme difference in education. Unless your kid is on the bounds and is highly highly intelligent (like top 0.001%) where they need specialized/accelerated instruction to the level of grad school near freshman year, you’re probably receiving a very similar education to others.
Even a standard freshman course like math 2230 at Cornell will exceed the level of rigor of any freshman math course at most lower ranked universities
Cite?
https://pi.math.cornell.edu/~allenk/courses/14/2230/
Compre this to the freshman math options at most other lower ranked schools (e.g. any VA school besides UVA)
I don't think this is true.
In the thread it was asserted that "even a standard freshman course like math 2230 at Cornell will exceed the level of rigor of any freshman math course at most lower ranked universities. This was asserted without evidence so it can also be dismissed without evidence. The burden is not on me.
So it's not that unique, seeing as UVA is a typical state university.
Anonymous
08/14/2024 23:50
Subject: Re:Why does college prestige matter to you? Rank these reasons.
The evidence is that in VA, a state with many strong universities, only UVA (the highest ranking school) has a comparable freshman math course.Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:What do you mean? I just gave a task to compare the courses yourself; you can't disagree with that. If you want to refute me, find a comparable course at a VA school outside UVA (or MD school outside MD, etc), ignoring other elite schools of course.Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:https://math.cornell.edu/lower-level-courses (scroll to bottom)Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:I’m just happy that people aren’t putting 3 at the top. There’s too many PhDs coming out of the Ivy league, let alone the rest of the T50, to even begin suggesting that there’s some extreme difference in education. Unless your kid is on the bounds and is highly highly intelligent (like top 0.001%) where they need specialized/accelerated instruction to the level of grad school near freshman year, you’re probably receiving a very similar education to others.
Even a standard freshman course like math 2230 at Cornell will exceed the level of rigor of any freshman math course at most lower ranked universities
Cite?
https://pi.math.cornell.edu/~allenk/courses/14/2230/
Compre this to the freshman math options at most other lower ranked schools (e.g. any VA school besides UVA)
I don't think this is true.
In the thread it was asserted that "even a standard freshman course like math 2230 at Cornell will exceed the level of rigor of any freshman math course at most lower ranked universities. This was asserted without evidence so it can also be dismissed without evidence. The burden is not on me.
Anonymous
08/13/2024 12:54
Subject: Why does college prestige matter to you? Rank these reasons.
1 would be the only reason, and it's an emotional reason that doesn't actually make any financial sense. So none.
Anonymous
08/13/2024 12:45
Subject: Re:Why does college prestige matter to you? Rank these reasons.
Anonymous wrote:What do you mean? I just gave a task to compare the courses yourself; you can't disagree with that. If you want to refute me, find a comparable course at a VA school outside UVA (or MD school outside MD, etc), ignoring other elite schools of course.Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:https://math.cornell.edu/lower-level-courses (scroll to bottom)Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:I’m just happy that people aren’t putting 3 at the top. There’s too many PhDs coming out of the Ivy league, let alone the rest of the T50, to even begin suggesting that there’s some extreme difference in education. Unless your kid is on the bounds and is highly highly intelligent (like top 0.001%) where they need specialized/accelerated instruction to the level of grad school near freshman year, you’re probably receiving a very similar education to others.
Even a standard freshman course like math 2230 at Cornell will exceed the level of rigor of any freshman math course at most lower ranked universities
Cite?
https://pi.math.cornell.edu/~allenk/courses/14/2230/
Compre this to the freshman math options at most other lower ranked schools (e.g. any VA school besides UVA)
I don't think this is true.
In the thread it was asserted that "even a standard freshman course like math 2230 at Cornell will exceed the level of rigor of any freshman math course at most lower ranked universities. This was asserted without evidence so it can also be dismissed without evidence. The burden is not on me.
Anonymous
08/13/2024 02:43
Subject: Re:Why does college prestige matter to you? Rank these reasons.
The commonness of extremely rigorous proof-based math courses intended for first semester students at top universities, compared to their rarity elsewhere. Just about every T20 has one.Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:https://math.cornell.edu/lower-level-courses (scroll to bottom)Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:I’m just happy that people aren’t putting 3 at the top. There’s too many PhDs coming out of the Ivy league, let alone the rest of the T50, to even begin suggesting that there’s some extreme difference in education. Unless your kid is on the bounds and is highly highly intelligent (like top 0.001%) where they need specialized/accelerated instruction to the level of grad school near freshman year, you’re probably receiving a very similar education to others.
Even a standard freshman course like math 2230 at Cornell will exceed the level of rigor of any freshman math course at most lower ranked universities
Cite?
https://pi.math.cornell.edu/~allenk/courses/14/2230/
Compre this to the freshman math options at most other lower ranked schools (e.g. any VA school besides UVA)
I don't think this is true.
DP. Why do you doubt it? The most elite schools are known for having more challenging coursework, stem and humanities. Any professor will tell you that. Professors have written about it. Not cornell, but one student of ours takes second semester calculus at a different ivy versus one taking the equivalent at a non-flagship in VA: they are night and day. They both are equivalent to BC calc, are the “regular “ versions (the ivy has an even more difficult proof based version) and they cover almost the same topics, yet the ivy has several topics not in the state school curriculum, and the psets /quizzes/exams are much different, with the ivy much more difficult . For people who study math or are in mathematics-heavy fields, it is not subtle how much harder the ivy is. I do not have one at UVA to know where uva falls on the spectrum of difficulty.
Where is the actual evidence?
You can also look at the finals for the lowest level, easiest math courses (which are often several levels below the most rigorous freshman classes):
Precalc final at Princeton: https://exams.math.princeton.edu/syllabus/mat103/precalculus
One-semester combined calc 1 and 2 final at MIT: https://ocw.mit.edu/courses/18-01sc-single-variable-calculus-fall-2010/pages/final-exam/
Calc 2 final at Princeton: https://web.math.princeton.edu/~nelson/104/F02ans.pdf
Anonymous
08/13/2024 02:32
Subject: Re:Why does college prestige matter to you? Rank these reasons.
The poster asking "Have you taken vector calc?" did not say very few VA schools teach a course like that, I did. And yes, I did review course catalogs and syllabi.Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:https://math.cornell.edu/lower-level-courses (scroll to bottom)Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:I’m just happy that people aren’t putting 3 at the top. There’s too many PhDs coming out of the Ivy league, let alone the rest of the T50, to even begin suggesting that there’s some extreme difference in education. Unless your kid is on the bounds and is highly highly intelligent (like top 0.001%) where they need specialized/accelerated instruction to the level of grad school near freshman year, you’re probably receiving a very similar education to others.
Even a standard freshman course like math 2230 at Cornell will exceed the level of rigor of any freshman math course at most lower ranked universities
Cite?
https://pi.math.cornell.edu/~allenk/courses/14/2230/
Compre this to the freshman math options at most other lower ranked schools (e.g. any VA school besides UVA)
Post the syllabus from a VA school to backup your claim.
DP. Very few schools are teaching a course like that.
Prove it
Have you taken vector calc? How did the material compare to the posted course?
You said very few VA schools teach a course like that. Did you review course catalogs and syllabi before making your claim?
Anonymous
08/13/2024 00:42
Subject: Re:Why does college prestige matter to you? Rank these reasons.
As per usual, a bunch of parents yapping about half-truths with no context.
Anonymous
08/13/2024 00:35
Subject: Re:Why does college prestige matter to you? Rank these reasons.
What do you mean? I just gave a task to compare the courses yourself; you can't disagree with that. If you want to refute me, find a comparable course at a VA school outside UVA (or MD school outside MD, etc), ignoring other elite schools of course.Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:https://math.cornell.edu/lower-level-courses (scroll to bottom)Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:I’m just happy that people aren’t putting 3 at the top. There’s too many PhDs coming out of the Ivy league, let alone the rest of the T50, to even begin suggesting that there’s some extreme difference in education. Unless your kid is on the bounds and is highly highly intelligent (like top 0.001%) where they need specialized/accelerated instruction to the level of grad school near freshman year, you’re probably receiving a very similar education to others.
Even a standard freshman course like math 2230 at Cornell will exceed the level of rigor of any freshman math course at most lower ranked universities
Cite?
https://pi.math.cornell.edu/~allenk/courses/14/2230/
Compre this to the freshman math options at most other lower ranked schools (e.g. any VA school besides UVA)
I don't think this is true.
Anonymous
08/12/2024 17:30
Subject: Why does college prestige matter to you? Rank these reasons.
Like everything else in life it's all ranked in a statistical distribution -- prestige income bracket, companies, sports teams, zip code, housing ... college is 4 prime years of your short life. Of course the prestige matters.
Anonymous
08/12/2024 17:03
Subject: Re:Why does college prestige matter to you? Rank these reasons.
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:https://math.cornell.edu/lower-level-courses (scroll to bottom)Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:I’m just happy that people aren’t putting 3 at the top. There’s too many PhDs coming out of the Ivy league, let alone the rest of the T50, to even begin suggesting that there’s some extreme difference in education. Unless your kid is on the bounds and is highly highly intelligent (like top 0.001%) where they need specialized/accelerated instruction to the level of grad school near freshman year, you’re probably receiving a very similar education to others.
Even a standard freshman course like math 2230 at Cornell will exceed the level of rigor of any freshman math course at most lower ranked universities
Cite?
https://pi.math.cornell.edu/~allenk/courses/14/2230/
Compre this to the freshman math options at most other lower ranked schools (e.g. any VA school besides UVA)
I don't think this is true.
DP. Why do you doubt it? The most elite schools are known for having more challenging coursework, stem and humanities. Any professor will tell you that. Professors have written about it. Not cornell, but one student of ours takes second semester calculus at a different ivy versus one taking the equivalent at a non-flagship in VA: they are night and day. They both are equivalent to BC calc, are the “regular “ versions (the ivy has an even more difficult proof based version) and they cover almost the same topics, yet the ivy has several topics not in the state school curriculum, and the psets /quizzes/exams are much different, with the ivy much more difficult . For people who study math or are in mathematics-heavy fields, it is not subtle how much harder the ivy is. I do not have one at UVA to know where uva falls on the spectrum of difficulty.
Where is the actual evidence?
Anonymous
08/12/2024 13:09
Subject: Re:Why does college prestige matter to you? Rank these reasons.
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:https://math.cornell.edu/lower-level-courses (scroll to bottom)Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:I’m just happy that people aren’t putting 3 at the top. There’s too many PhDs coming out of the Ivy league, let alone the rest of the T50, to even begin suggesting that there’s some extreme difference in education. Unless your kid is on the bounds and is highly highly intelligent (like top 0.001%) where they need specialized/accelerated instruction to the level of grad school near freshman year, you’re probably receiving a very similar education to others.
Even a standard freshman course like math 2230 at Cornell will exceed the level of rigor of any freshman math course at most lower ranked universities
Cite?
https://pi.math.cornell.edu/~allenk/courses/14/2230/
Compre this to the freshman math options at most other lower ranked schools (e.g. any VA school besides UVA)
I don't think this is true.
DP. Why do you doubt it? The most elite schools are known for having more challenging coursework, stem and humanities. Any professor will tell you that. Professors have written about it. Not cornell, but one student of ours takes second semester calculus at a different ivy versus one taking the equivalent at a non-flagship in VA: they are night and day. They both are equivalent to BC calc, are the “regular “ versions (the ivy has an even more difficult proof based version) and they cover almost the same topics, yet the ivy has several topics not in the state school curriculum, and the psets /quizzes/exams are much different, with the ivy much more difficult . For people who study math or are in mathematics-heavy fields, it is not subtle how much harder the ivy is. I do not have one at UVA to know where uva falls on the spectrum of difficulty.