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Anonymous wrote:ELL students, if managed correctly, are an advantage to the school they are at because they have the potential to show the most growth compared to kids who are already on grade level and just pass.

But the new ratings are going to weight “mastery” more than “growth.”

+1 there will be many schools with high ELL populations that will be screwed. And this school board will redraw boundaries to cover it up.

You can’t really re-draw boundaries to cover it up. Aside from Langley, most schools will continue to see an increase in ELL and FARMS.

Vote for a presidential candidate who supports deportation

Definitely don’t vote for Trump since he killed the bipartisan immigration reform bill. He only wants to use the issue for political gain; no interest in fixing it.

Anonymous wrote:My kids are in Churchill/Cooper/Langley pyramid so this metric will do nothing for me.

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Anonymous wrote:Good luck trying to get families whose kids miss a lot of school to send theirkids to school. I have no idea what enforcement mechanism that State thinks exists to try and get parents to make their kids attend school or stay at school if they go. It sounds like a ridiculous measure since it is not one that any School or County is in a position to enforce.

Emails and phone calls have not done the trick. I doubt that we are going to see kids brought to school by Police or parents arrested for not sending kids to school. So does the VDOE have some suggestions on how to enforce attendance?

Emails and phone calls haven't worked. So I guess that's it, kids just won't go to school. /s

What a strange viewpoint you have.

What else can the schools do? they can email, call, and send letters. They cannot go to the house and make the parents send the kid to school. They cannot track down kids who are not at home or at school. What exactly do you think that the School can do to make the kid attend?

Call CPS? CPS is overwhelmed and cannot deal with the cases of that they have, to include cases of neglect and abuse, never mind adding in following families of truant kids.

Arrest the parents and charge them with a crime? Families face fines or jail time for not sending their ids to school or kids choosing to skip school? That is going to work really well for lower SES families where the kids are not going to school so they can work or are skipping school because the parent/parents are working multiple jobs and are not able to enforce attendance.

What do you do with the families that are pulling kids out of school to go on vacations during the year? I know people who get letters every year because they choose to take a cruise after Spring Break due to lower prices and pull their kids out of school for 5 days. I know people who pull their kids out to go to Disney for a week in the off season. The letters home and the emails have not stopped them from their annual trip. How are you going to enforce it with those families.

The families that are posting asking what happens when they take their kids out of school for a month to visit families overseas? People are fine with their kids being dropped from the school rolls because they know that they can re-enroll their kids when they come home. Maybe you can effect that by telling parents that if their kids are removed from the school rolls then the kid can not return to AP/IB classes and has to take Gen Ed classes. I suspect that will lead to law suits though.

The State is tying accreditation to something that they cannot enforce and School Districts cannot enforce. It is as ridiculous as expecting students with serious LDs and EDs or who are ELL to be able to score on grade level with State Wide exams. All it is going to do is point to schools that have issues that are directly tied to income, which we already know. It accomplishes nothing and offers no way to address the known issues.

The obvious answer would be to restart the policy where 5 unexcused absences per quarter means you fail the class. Three unexcused tardies used to equal one unexcused absence. Schools used to do this and it worked. The tradeoff is that a lot more kids will fail and it will predominately be kids who are already deemed "at risk". At some point schools decided it was better to have a bunch of kids chronically absent and graduating with basically a courtesy diploma and no actual knowledge than not graduating at all.

So schools lose accreditation because of a high fail rate instead of a high absentee rate. Or we end up with a large number of kids repeating grade whatever until they are old enough to drop out. Because those kids who failed still have to attend school. We don't have schools to handle kids who are failing, heck we don't have schools to handle kids who are struggling with learning issues and mental health issues. So what are we doing with all of these 7th graders, 8th graders, 9th graders who are missing so much school that they fail the grade? The lower SES kids failing a grade because they don't care or their parents don't care still be registered at the school.

This maybe addresses the issues with parents pulling kids for some vacations but I suspect that what it will elad to is parents disenrolling kids to go abroad for a month and then reenrolling when they return from their trip. Now the kid has not missed school, even though they missed school, and doesn't flunk a class. So the school is fine with the absentee rate, is that really what we are looking to do?

Schools will not lose accreditation because of their performance category. Accountability and accreditation have been separated under the new system.

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Anonymous wrote:Good luck trying to get families whose kids miss a lot of school to send theirkids to school. I have no idea what enforcement mechanism that State thinks exists to try and get parents to make their kids attend school or stay at school if they go. It sounds like a ridiculous measure since it is not one that any School or County is in a position to enforce.

Emails and phone calls have not done the trick. I doubt that we are going to see kids brought to school by Police or parents arrested for not sending kids to school. So does the VDOE have some suggestions on how to enforce attendance?

Emails and phone calls haven't worked. So I guess that's it, kids just won't go to school. /s

What a strange viewpoint you have.

What else can the schools do? they can email, call, and send letters. They cannot go to the house and make the parents send the kid to school. They cannot track down kids who are not at home or at school. What exactly do you think that the School can do to make the kid attend?

Call CPS? CPS is overwhelmed and cannot deal with the cases of that they have, to include cases of neglect and abuse, never mind adding in following families of truant kids.

Arrest the parents and charge them with a crime? Families face fines or jail time for not sending their ids to school or kids choosing to skip school? That is going to work really well for lower SES families where the kids are not going to school so they can work or are skipping school because the parent/parents are working multiple jobs and are not able to enforce attendance.

What do you do with the families that are pulling kids out of school to go on vacations during the year? I know people who get letters every year because they choose to take a cruise after Spring Break due to lower prices and pull their kids out of school for 5 days. I know people who pull their kids out to go to Disney for a week in the off season. The letters home and the emails have not stopped them from their annual trip. How are you going to enforce it with those families.

The families that are posting asking what happens when they take their kids out of school for a month to visit families overseas? People are fine with their kids being dropped from the school rolls because they know that they can re-enroll their kids when they come home. Maybe you can effect that by telling parents that if their kids are removed from the school rolls then the kid can not return to AP/IB classes and has to take Gen Ed classes. I suspect that will lead to law suits though.

The State is tying accreditation to something that they cannot enforce and School Districts cannot enforce. It is as ridiculous as expecting students with serious LDs and EDs or who are ELL to be able to score on grade level with State Wide exams. All it is going to do is point to schools that have issues that are directly tied to income, which we already know. It accomplishes nothing and offers no way to address the known issues.

The obvious answer would be to restart the policy where 5 unexcused absences per quarter means you fail the class. Three unexcused tardies used to equal one unexcused absence. Schools used to do this and it worked. The tradeoff is that a lot more kids will fail and it will predominately be kids who are already deemed "at risk". At some point schools decided it was better to have a bunch of kids chronically absent and graduating with basically a courtesy diploma and no actual knowledge than not graduating at all.

So schools lose accreditation because of a high fail rate instead of a high absentee rate. Or we end up with a large number of kids repeating grade whatever until they are old enough to drop out. Because those kids who failed still have to attend school. We don't have schools to handle kids who are failing, heck we don't have schools to handle kids who are struggling with learning issues and mental health issues. So what are we doing with all of these 7th graders, 8th graders, 9th graders who are missing so much school that they fail the grade? The lower SES kids failing a grade because they don't care or their parents don't care still be registered at the school.

This maybe addresses the issues with parents pulling kids for some vacations but I suspect that what it will elad to is parents disenrolling kids to go abroad for a month and then reenrolling when they return from their trip. Now the kid has not missed school, even though they missed school, and doesn't flunk a class. So the school is fine with the absentee rate, is that really what we are looking to do?

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Anonymous wrote:Good luck trying to get families whose kids miss a lot of school to send theirkids to school. I have no idea what enforcement mechanism that State thinks exists to try and get parents to make their kids attend school or stay at school if they go. It sounds like a ridiculous measure since it is not one that any School or County is in a position to enforce.

Emails and phone calls have not done the trick. I doubt that we are going to see kids brought to school by Police or parents arrested for not sending kids to school. So does the VDOE have some suggestions on how to enforce attendance?

Emails and phone calls haven't worked. So I guess that's it, kids just won't go to school. /s

What a strange viewpoint you have.

What else can the schools do? they can email, call, and send letters. They cannot go to the house and make the parents send the kid to school. They cannot track down kids who are not at home or at school. What exactly do you think that the School can do to make the kid attend?

Call CPS? CPS is overwhelmed and cannot deal with the cases of that they have, to include cases of neglect and abuse, never mind adding in following families of truant kids.

Arrest the parents and charge them with a crime? Families face fines or jail time for not sending their ids to school or kids choosing to skip school? That is going to work really well for lower SES families where the kids are not going to school so they can work or are skipping school because the parent/parents are working multiple jobs and are not able to enforce attendance.

What do you do with the families that are pulling kids out of school to go on vacations during the year? I know people who get letters every year because they choose to take a cruise after Spring Break due to lower prices and pull their kids out of school for 5 days. I know people who pull their kids out to go to Disney for a week in the off season. The letters home and the emails have not stopped them from their annual trip. How are you going to enforce it with those families.

The families that are posting asking what happens when they take their kids out of school for a month to visit families overseas? People are fine with their kids being dropped from the school rolls because they know that they can re-enroll their kids when they come home. Maybe you can effect that by telling parents that if their kids are removed from the school rolls then the kid can not return to AP/IB classes and has to take Gen Ed classes. I suspect that will lead to law suits though.

The State is tying accreditation to something that they cannot enforce and School Districts cannot enforce. It is as ridiculous as expecting students with serious LDs and EDs or who are ELL to be able to score on grade level with State Wide exams. All it is going to do is point to schools that have issues that are directly tied to income, which we already know. It accomplishes nothing and offers no way to address the known issues.

The obvious answer would be to restart the policy where 5 unexcused absences per quarter means you fail the class. Three unexcused tardies used to equal one unexcused absence. Schools used to do this and it worked. The tradeoff is that a lot more kids will fail and it will predominately be kids who are already deemed "at risk". At some point schools decided it was better to have a bunch of kids chronically absent and graduating with basically a courtesy diploma and no actual knowledge than not graduating at all.

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Anonymous wrote:Good luck trying to get families whose kids miss a lot of school to send theirkids to school. I have no idea what enforcement mechanism that State thinks exists to try and get parents to make their kids attend school or stay at school if they go. It sounds like a ridiculous measure since it is not one that any School or County is in a position to enforce.

Emails and phone calls have not done the trick. I doubt that we are going to see kids brought to school by Police or parents arrested for not sending kids to school. So does the VDOE have some suggestions on how to enforce attendance?

Emails and phone calls haven't worked. So I guess that's it, kids just won't go to school. /s

What a strange viewpoint you have.

What else can the schools do? they can email, call, and send letters. They cannot go to the house and make the parents send the kid to school. They cannot track down kids who are not at home or at school. What exactly do you think that the School can do to make the kid attend?

Call CPS? CPS is overwhelmed and cannot deal with the cases of that they have, to include cases of neglect and abuse, never mind adding in following families of truant kids.

Arrest the parents and charge them with a crime? Families face fines or jail time for not sending their ids to school or kids choosing to skip school? That is going to work really well for lower SES families where the kids are not going to school so they can work or are skipping school because the parent/parents are working multiple jobs and are not able to enforce attendance.

What do you do with the families that are pulling kids out of school to go on vacations during the year? I know people who get letters every year because they choose to take a cruise after Spring Break due to lower prices and pull their kids out of school for 5 days. I know people who pull their kids out to go to Disney for a week in the off season. The letters home and the emails have not stopped them from their annual trip. How are you going to enforce it with those families.

The families that are posting asking what happens when they take their kids out of school for a month to visit families overseas? People are fine with their kids being dropped from the school rolls because they know that they can re-enroll their kids when they come home. Maybe you can effect that by telling parents that if their kids are removed from the school rolls then the kid can not return to AP/IB classes and has to take Gen Ed classes. I suspect that will lead to law suits though.

The State is tying accreditation to something that they cannot enforce and School Districts cannot enforce. It is as ridiculous as expecting students with serious LDs and EDs or who are ELL to be able to score on grade level with State Wide exams. All it is going to do is point to schools that have issues that are directly tied to income, which we already know. It accomplishes nothing and offers no way to address the known issues.

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Anonymous wrote:Good luck trying to get families whose kids miss a lot of school to send theirkids to school. I have no idea what enforcement mechanism that State thinks exists to try and get parents to make their kids attend school or stay at school if they go. It sounds like a ridiculous measure since it is not one that any School or County is in a position to enforce.

Emails and phone calls have not done the trick. I doubt that we are going to see kids brought to school by Police or parents arrested for not sending kids to school. So does the VDOE have some suggestions on how to enforce attendance?

Emails and phone calls haven't worked. So I guess that's it, kids just won't go to school. /s

What a strange viewpoint you have.

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Anonymous wrote:Good luck trying to get families whose kids miss a lot of school to send theirkids to school. I have no idea what enforcement mechanism that State thinks exists to try and get parents to make their kids attend school or stay at school if they go. It sounds like a ridiculous measure since it is not one that any School or County is in a position to enforce.

Emails and phone calls have not done the trick. I doubt that we are going to see kids brought to school by Police or parents arrested for not sending kids to school. So does the VDOE have some suggestions on how to enforce attendance?

Emails and phone calls haven't worked. So I guess that's it, kids just won't go to school. /s

What a strange viewpoint you have.

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Anonymous wrote:Good luck trying to get families whose kids miss a lot of school to send theirkids to school. I have no idea what enforcement mechanism that State thinks exists to try and get parents to make their kids attend school or stay at school if they go. It sounds like a ridiculous measure since it is not one that any School or County is in a position to enforce.

Emails and phone calls have not done the trick. I doubt that we are going to see kids brought to school by Police or parents arrested for not sending kids to school. So does the VDOE have some suggestions on how to enforce attendance?

Emails and phone calls haven't worked. So I guess that's it, kids just won't go to school. /s

What a strange viewpoint you have.

Anonymous wrote:Good luck trying to get families whose kids miss a lot of school to send theirkids to school. I have no idea what enforcement mechanism that State thinks exists to try and get parents to make their kids attend school or stay at school if they go. It sounds like a ridiculous measure since it is not one that any School or County is in a position to enforce.

Emails and phone calls have not done the trick. I doubt that we are going to see kids brought to school by Police or parents arrested for not sending kids to school. So does the VDOE have some suggestions on how to enforce attendance?

Anonymous wrote:Changing the labels or metrics doesn’t change the underlying issues that lead to poor school outcomes. The issue isn’t that schools aren’t held accountable, it’s that parents and students aren’t …