Anonymous
Post 07/21/2024 09:00     Subject: Re:Divisionals really shows why the unfair birthday rule matters
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:I have a question in the opposite direction, about HS seniors and college freshmen super seniors. If a kid will turn 19 during the last days of HS senior year, I assume that means their last season of summer swim has to be the season after their junior year of HS, not the year of their HS graduation?


Nope. 19 after June 1 = 18 for summer swim. That’s also why you see some college swimmers come back to NVSL after their freshman year in college. One was a league record breaker this summer.


What about 19 just before June 1? That means no swimming even if you're a HS senior at the time, correct?


Isn't that called a red shirted kid?
Anonymous
Post 07/21/2024 08:48     Subject: Divisionals really shows why the unfair birthday rule matters
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:I wonder what this supposed backroom meeting of parents of kids with summer birthdays who also happen to do summer swim looked like. How was it arranged. Did someone start a Facebook group called "Parents of July and August Kiddos!" and then quietly blue pill its members until a coalition could be formed. Does everyone in the diabolical cabal also redshirt their kids and if so is that why every year someone on this website starts a thread titled "There's a 9 year old in my child's kindergarten class -- why."

So many questions and so little time. Someone should write a DaVinci Code style book on the conspiracy.


😂😂😂 Well, I’m from another state and June 1st was the summer league cut-off for every single summer league, even when I was little. And I’m old. Think: swimming summer league in 1970s and 1980s. So it must have been SOMETHING to write those letters and use long-distance charges to conspire with all the summer leagues around the U.S. to orchestrate this rule.


Yep, I’m from another part of the country and it was June 1 in the 80s. I have a June 2 bday. I was so happy because it was that bday that propelled me into to the Olympics for swimming.

Oh wait - it meant nothing, I still sucked and was super slow.

This comes up every year, I love the folks who propose aging up in the middle of the season. I had a kid age up the day bf all star relays, I guess my kid should have dropped out and DQ’d the relay team they qualified on?
Anonymous
Post 07/21/2024 07:06     Subject: Re:Divisionals really shows why the unfair birthday rule matters
The only thing I would change is moving the date to July 1 instead of June 1 or maybe June 15…. Just to try and capture the age kids are for the bulk of the season.

I think age has next to no effect for the 12 and under kids. It can be brutal for those 13 and over boys! Big difference to be 13 racing a 15 year old!! But it is what it is.
Anonymous
Post 07/21/2024 06:29     Subject: Divisionals really shows why the unfair birthday rule matters
^ lol autocorrect sure had fun with the word division
Anonymous
Post 07/21/2024 06:28     Subject: Divisionals really shows why the unfair birthday rule matters
Anonymous wrote:My kid might win if she didn't have to swim against the older kids or the taller kids or the exceptionally talented kids or the kids who had more training or the kids who hit puberty early or the stronger kids.


Exactly. It's unfair to have done visions that span multiple ages at all, actually. Let's have separate dinner visions for each age and then maybe even subdivisions within those so that my 8.5 year old only has to swim against kids who are 8-8.5, if she still loses we might have adjusted again. But it will be more "fair" than forcing her to compete against a child who is 9 years and a day. That one day contains so much unfair advantage.
Anonymous
Post 07/21/2024 06:12     Subject: Divisionals really shows why the unfair birthday rule matters
My kid might win if she didn't have to swim against the older kids or the taller kids or the exceptionally talented kids or the kids who had more training or the kids who hit puberty early or the stronger kids.
Anonymous
Post 07/21/2024 05:07     Subject: Re:Divisionals really shows why the unfair birthday rule matters
^ a 14 yr old olympic trials swimmer swam at all A meets this summer. Shoukd she be banned, too?
Anonymous
Post 07/20/2024 22:20     Subject: Divisionals really shows why the unfair birthday rule matters
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:College swimmers coming back to swim rec league swimming is weird and kind of pathetic.


Rays hinted that a certain Olympic trial swimmer can/may return next year to swim. I hope she’s kidding.


This seems like a really weird take. Why wouldn’t a team want an Olympic trial swimmer back? Why wouldn’t they want to come back? Summer swim is amazing. The younger kids looking up too the older kids. Why would it be bad to have that awesome role model around another summer?
Anonymous
Post 07/20/2024 22:19     Subject: Divisionals really shows why the unfair birthday rule matters
Anonymous wrote:A cut off of August 1, may have kids swimming under the age for part of the season. There is no perfect solution.


But why? It makes no sense to change it now after decades of it being this way. A cutoff of August 1 would make some kids swim up for most of the season. Either way some group of kids will always have kids almost 2 years older than them swimming against them. It is inevitable no matter the date they use.

They may as well keep it the same date.
Anonymous
Post 07/20/2024 22:14     Subject: Divisionals really shows why the unfair birthday rule matters
Anonymous wrote:OP what's your address. I'll send you atrophy 🏆.


Atrophy? Brutal!!
Anonymous
Post 07/20/2024 22:12     Subject: Divisionals really shows why the unfair birthday rule matters
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:College swimmers coming back to swim rec league swimming is weird and kind of pathetic.


Rays hinted that a certain Olympic trial swimmer can/may return next year to swim. I hope she’s kidding.


Why not?
Anonymous
Post 07/20/2024 22:11     Subject: Divisionals really shows why the unfair birthday rule matters
The annual late July complaint post, right on cue.
Anonymous
Post 07/20/2024 22:03     Subject: Divisionals really shows why the unfair birthday rule matters
Anonymous wrote:College swimmers coming back to swim rec league swimming is weird and kind of pathetic.


Our team revels in it and celebrates our assistant coaches who swim with the rest of the team. It's nostalgic and fun, like an older sibling who still has a good time being with you. These kids are successful in college, and swimming with them is exciting and even inspiring for the younger kids.
Anonymous
Post 07/20/2024 21:59     Subject: Divisionals really shows why the unfair birthday rule matters
Anonymous wrote:College swimmers coming back to swim rec league swimming is weird and kind of pathetic.


Rays hinted that a certain Olympic trial swimmer can/may return next year to swim. I hope she’s kidding.
Anonymous
Post 07/20/2024 21:28     Subject: Divisionals really shows why the unfair birthday rule matters
Anonymous wrote:I have a June 2nd birthday kid and I still agree with OP. Winter swimming (which all my kids do) you age up the day of your birthday. I had this happen to a friend where they literally aged up the second day of a meet. They swam day 1 of the two day meet as a 10 year old and day 2 as an 11 year old. It should absolutely be the same for summer swim.


This is untrue. Meet age is age as of first day.

Please spare a thought for your pool automation team and coaches who have to make lineups and seed your meets.