Anonymous wrote:Let's not be too quick to villify. My family and I used to be very close to the Millers. Mike and Barbara were wonderful generous people, and Mike had some very loyal investors - meaning he came through for them. Mike actually invested in my deals, shared his investors, offered up office space to my young company on favorable terms, and even offered to host my wedding. My basis for what I am writing includes sharing office space with Mike for almost a decade. Mike could be a difficult businessman in a way that appears to be representative of the the NYC real estate world, where few pay their bills or fail to negotatiate. In that uber competitive niche, not every deal works out and not every bill gets paid, but from what I saw with Michael Miller many did, which is probably why he flourished for decades. Mike and Barbara were incredible parents to Brandon and his sister. Brandon was a sweet and personable boy, shy and respectful. At Collegiate and then Brown, he survived academically challenging environments, so he must be smart. The Brandon we knew was not a shark. The last time we saw Brandon was at his wedding, and the last time I saw Mike and Barbara was at our son's bar mitzvah, fifteen years ago.

Real estate investing relies heavily on debt and timing. If the market is floating all boats, leverage through borrowing is wonderful and everyone wins. When the cycle isn't good, then leverage is a death knell. Mike survived a harsh period in his real estate investing and re-established himself, I can see how Brandon might have followed his father's legacy, investing and borrowing into the headwinds of a challenging COVID impacted real estate market where it becomes impossible to refinance properties or sell them for what you paid/invested. From my personal perspective - and that of my family - the Miller's were wonderful people. We are sincerely heartbroken.

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Anonymous wrote:This story is sickening. Apparently their homes have been foreclosed upon. Their prior apartment was foreclosed upon and they’ve been living in one under her husbands company’s name and all the furniture was rented. Word is that on her recent trip to Europe her cards were declined and she couldn’t pay for her hotel in Spain yet went on to France. There is no way. No way. She didn’t know how bad it was. She will have to declare bankruptcy and there will be absolutely nothing left.

this is INSANE. How do you let it get this bad but still have these 10k-20k parties? When you have young kids you can't turn the other to issues this large. She will be in the end. She has family to lean on and will most likely marry rich to keep afloat years from now. But her name has been absoutely tarnished forever.

There was a ponzi scheme in my town and the wife claimed she didn't know. The truth doesn't matter. Everyone talks about her and her kids behind their backs. Every financial move she makes is judged under a microscope and the people who lost money never forget about it.

Anonymous wrote:This story is sickening. Apparently their homes have been foreclosed upon. Their prior apartment was foreclosed upon and they’ve been living in one under her husbands company’s name and all the furniture was rented. Word is that on her recent trip to Europe her cards were declined and she couldn’t pay for her hotel in Spain yet went on to France. There is no way. No way. She didn’t know how bad it was. She will have to declare bankruptcy and there will be absolutely nothing left.

Anonymous wrote:This story is sickening. Apparently their homes have been foreclosed upon. Their prior apartment was foreclosed upon and they’ve been living in one under her husbands company’s name and all the furniture was rented. Word is that on her recent trip to Europe her cards were declined and she couldn’t pay for her hotel in Spain yet went on to France. There is no way. No way. She didn’t know how bad it was. She will have to declare bankruptcy and there will be absolutely nothing left.

Anonymous wrote:This story is sickening. Apparently their homes have been foreclosed upon. Their prior apartment was foreclosed upon and they’ve been living in one under her husbands company’s name and all the furniture was rented. Word is that on her recent trip to Europe her cards were declined and she couldn’t pay for her hotel in Spain yet went on to France. There is no way. No way. She didn’t know how bad it was. She will have to declare bankruptcy and there will be absolutely nothing left.

Anonymous wrote:Thanks, but I haven't been in touch with the family since Mike died, and that was the only contact in 15 years. I'm not concerned for me, but am still disgusted. Brandon took his own life and people seem to be enjoying sensationalizing this and the grieving family's plight.

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Anonymous wrote:Never followed but I just saw she's a Charnas cousin. They also spend like crazy. So many influencers do.

Oh, interesting. I think Arielle had to declare bankruptcy and dissolve her business and the husband is involved in some financial crime/fraud lawsuit. So many of these influencers are living it up just barely avoiding the law and day of reckoning.

Oh I didn't know about this! I always liked her but and I thought her content was just getting buried in my feed.

There's something weird about the haters of influencers thats different than old fashioned celebrity. They are wishing for the downfall of these influencers and are practically gleeful to know its all fake or it all fell apart.

I think it's partially bc celebrities actually do something/ have some talent so they earned their wealth. Influencers...just influence? So it's a performative display of wealth, consumerism and waste, almost an MLM

Anonymous wrote:We didn't hold our wedding at the Miller home, and there were no 'gifts.' As both an attorney and now someone involved in NYC RE, and having observed things first hand, I'm seeing things differently and think it's easy to sensationalize and read legal allegations as more than just that.

It's too easy (and ugly) to literally dance on someone's grave.

Anonymous wrote:Let's not be too quick to villify. My family and I used to be very close to the Millers. Mike and Barbara were wonderful generous people, and Mike had some very loyal investors - meaning he came through for them. Mike actually invested in my deals, shared his investors, offered up office space to my young company on favorable terms, and even offered to host my wedding. My basis for what I am writing includes sharing office space with Mike for almost a decade. Mike could be a difficult businessman in a way that appears to be representative of the the NYC real estate world, where few pay their bills or fail to negotatiate. In that uber competitive niche, not every deal works out and not every bill gets paid, but from what I saw with Michael Miller many did, which is probably why he flourished for decades. Mike and Barbara were incredible parents to Brandon and his sister. Brandon was a sweet and personable boy, shy and respectful. At Collegiate and then Brown, he survived academically challenging environments, so he must be smart. The Brandon we knew was not a shark. The last time we saw Brandon was at his wedding, and the last time I saw Mike and Barbara was at our son's bar mitzvah, fifteen years ago.

Real estate investing relies heavily on debt and timing. If the market is floating all boats, leverage through borrowing is wonderful and everyone wins. When the cycle isn't good, then leverage is a death knell. Mike survived a harsh period in his real estate investing and re-established himself, I can see how Brandon might have followed his father's legacy, investing and borrowing into the headwinds of a challenging COVID impacted real estate market where it becomes impossible to refinance properties or sell them for what you paid/invested. From my personal perspective - and that of my family - the Miller's were wonderful people. We are sincerely heartbroken.

Anonymous wrote:Let's not be too quick to villify. My family and I used to be very close to the Millers. Mike and Barbara were wonderful generous people, and Mike had some very loyal investors - meaning he came through for them. Mike actually invested in my deals, shared his investors, offered up office space to my young company on favorable terms, and even offered to host my wedding. My basis for what I am writing includes sharing office space with Mike for almost a decade. Mike could be a difficult businessman in a way that appears to be representative of the the NYC real estate world, where few pay their bills or fail to negotatiate. In that uber competitive niche, not every deal works out and not every bill gets paid, but from what I saw with Michael Miller many did, which is probably why he flourished for decades. Mike and Barbara were incredible parents to Brandon and his sister. Brandon was a sweet and personable boy, shy and respectful. At Collegiate and then Brown, he survived academically challenging environments, so he must be smart. The Brandon we knew was not a shark. The last time we saw Brandon was at his wedding, and the last time I saw Mike and Barbara was at our son's bar mitzvah, fifteen years ago.

Real estate investing relies heavily on debt and timing. If the market is floating all boats, leverage through borrowing is wonderful and everyone wins. When the cycle isn't good, then leverage is a death knell. Mike survived a harsh period in his real estate investing and re-established himself, I can see how Brandon might have followed his father's legacy, investing and borrowing into the headwinds of a challenging COVID impacted real estate market where it becomes impossible to refinance properties or sell them for what you paid/invested. From my personal perspective - and that of my family - the Miller's were wonderful people. We are sincerely heartbroken.

Anonymous wrote:Let's not be too quick to villify. My family and I used to be very close to the Millers. Mike and Barbara were wonderful generous people, and Mike had some very loyal investors - meaning he came through for them. Mike actually invested in my deals, shared his investors, offered up office space to my young company on favorable terms, and even offered to host my wedding. My basis for what I am writing includes sharing office space with Mike for almost a decade. Mike could be a difficult businessman in a way that appears to be representative of the the NYC real estate world, where few pay their bills or fail to negotatiate. In that uber competitive niche, not every deal works out and not every bill gets paid, but from what I saw with Michael Miller many did, which is probably why he flourished for decades. Mike and Barbara were incredible parents to Brandon and his sister. Brandon was a sweet and personable boy, shy and respectful. At Collegiate and then Brown, he survived academically challenging environments, so he must be smart. The Brandon we knew was not a shark. The last time we saw Brandon was at his wedding, and the last time I saw Mike and Barbara was at our son's bar mitzvah, fifteen years ago.

Real estate investing relies heavily on debt and timing. If the market is floating all boats, leverage through borrowing is wonderful and everyone wins. When the cycle isn't good, then leverage is a death knell. Mike survived a harsh period in his real estate investing and re-established himself, I can see how Brandon might have followed his father's legacy, investing and borrowing into the headwinds of a challenging COVID impacted real estate market where it becomes impossible to refinance properties or sell them for what you paid/invested. From my personal perspective - and that of my family - the Miller's were wonderful people. We are sincerely heartbroken.