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Anonymous wrote:It’s hard to imagine what all the fuss and secrecy is for when it should just be the top times.

Yes. Club swim, everything posted almost immediately. It’s not the 1950s anymore and everything is electronic. Lack of transparency from NVSL is concerning.

I don’t think it’s lack of transparency as much as a reluctance to change.

There is a culture that promotes a lack of transparency throughout NVSL. Our Division decided not to share meet sheets with times. Sigh. They way they guard these sheets is beyond stunning.

It's not your division- its literally in the NVSL recommended procedures not to include seed times. https://www.mynvsl.com/file/36493/2024_NVSL_Handbook_Web___clickable_TOC_pdf look at page 62 and on for recommended procedures. I disagree with it, but it is extremely engrained.

“without seed times” is in bold on page 62

they are serious

even though there are no seed times on the meet sheet, are the swimmers in certain lanes based on their times? like home team swimmer with fastest time in the heat is in lane 4, away team swimmer with fastest time in heat is in lane 3?

Yes, team 1 swimmers from fastest to slowest seed times are lanes 3, 5, 1. Team two fastest to slowest by seed time is lanes 4,2,6.

That part makes sense at least.

Why does nvsl want the seed times left off the meet sheets?

So kids don't score the meet and not try. It increases the competition.

I’m sorry but that’s absurd. They really think some kid is scoring the meet and then won’t try depending on the results?! BS, come up with something better. Most of the A meet swimmers are club kids who honestly care more about their individual performance than who wins the meet.

Agree! Plus, all A meet times end up on the website so it doesn’t stay secret.

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Anonymous wrote:It’s hard to imagine what all the fuss and secrecy is for when it should just be the top times.

Yes. Club swim, everything posted almost immediately. It’s not the 1950s anymore and everything is electronic. Lack of transparency from NVSL is concerning.

I don’t think it’s lack of transparency as much as a reluctance to change.

There is a culture that promotes a lack of transparency throughout NVSL. Our Division decided not to share meet sheets with times. Sigh. They way they guard these sheets is beyond stunning.

It's not your division- its literally in the NVSL recommended procedures not to include seed times. https://www.mynvsl.com/file/36493/2024_NVSL_Handbook_Web___clickable_TOC_pdf look at page 62 and on for recommended procedures. I disagree with it, but it is extremely engrained.

“without seed times” is in bold on page 62

they are serious

even though there are no seed times on the meet sheet, are the swimmers in certain lanes based on their times? like home team swimmer with fastest time in the heat is in lane 4, away team swimmer with fastest time in heat is in lane 3?

Yes, team 1 swimmers from fastest to slowest seed times are lanes 3, 5, 1. Team two fastest to slowest by seed time is lanes 4,2,6.

That part makes sense at least.

Why does nvsl want the seed times left off the meet sheets?

The argument I have been given by a fairly high up NVSL official now that there aren’t any rules about seed times. Eg you can use a coaches time. A time trials time etc. you can literally enter an entirely fictional time. This is different from winter swim when there is more criteria. I don’t really agree with this reasoning but I understand it.

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Anonymous wrote:Plus maybe outing the teams who enter fictional times consistently wouldn’t be a bad thing.

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Anonymous wrote:It’s hard to imagine what all the fuss and secrecy is for when it should just be the top times.

Yes. Club swim, everything posted almost immediately. It’s not the 1950s anymore and everything is electronic. Lack of transparency from NVSL is concerning.

I don’t think it’s lack of transparency as much as a reluctance to change.

There is a culture that promotes a lack of transparency throughout NVSL. Our Division decided not to share meet sheets with times. Sigh. They way they guard these sheets is beyond stunning.

It's not your division- its literally in the NVSL recommended procedures not to include seed times. https://www.mynvsl.com/file/36493/2024_NVSL_Handbook_Web___clickable_TOC_pdf look at page 62 and on for recommended procedures. I disagree with it, but it is extremely engrained.

“without seed times” is in bold on page 62

they are serious

even though there are no seed times on the meet sheet, are the swimmers in certain lanes based on their times? like home team swimmer with fastest time in the heat is in lane 4, away team swimmer with fastest time in heat is in lane 3?

Yes, team 1 swimmers from fastest to slowest seed times are lanes 3, 5, 1. Team two fastest to slowest by seed time is lanes 4,2,6.

That part makes sense at least.

Why does nvsl want the seed times left off the meet sheets?

The argument I have been given by a fairly high up NVSL official now that there aren’t any rules about seed times. Eg you can use a coaches time. A time trials time etc. you can literally enter an entirely fictional time. This is different from winter swim when there is more criteria. I don’t really agree with this reasoning but I understand it.

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Anonymous wrote:It’s hard to imagine what all the fuss and secrecy is for when it should just be the top times.

Yes. Club swim, everything posted almost immediately. It’s not the 1950s anymore and everything is electronic. Lack of transparency from NVSL is concerning.

I don’t think it’s lack of transparency as much as a reluctance to change.

There is a culture that promotes a lack of transparency throughout NVSL. Our Division decided not to share meet sheets with times. Sigh. They way they guard these sheets is beyond stunning.

It's not your division- its literally in the NVSL recommended procedures not to include seed times. https://www.mynvsl.com/file/36493/2024_NVSL_Handbook_Web___clickable_TOC_pdf look at page 62 and on for recommended procedures. I disagree with it, but it is extremely engrained.

“without seed times” is in bold on page 62

they are serious

even though there are no seed times on the meet sheet, are the swimmers in certain lanes based on their times? like home team swimmer with fastest time in the heat is in lane 4, away team swimmer with fastest time in heat is in lane 3?

Yes, team 1 swimmers from fastest to slowest seed times are lanes 3, 5, 1. Team two fastest to slowest by seed time is lanes 4,2,6.

That part makes sense at least.

Why does nvsl want the seed times left off the meet sheets?

The argument I have been given by a fairly high up NVSL official now that there aren’t any rules about seed times. Eg you can use a coaches time. A time trials time etc. you can literally enter an entirely fictional time. This is different from winter swim when there is more criteria. I don’t really agree with this reasoning but I understand it.

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Anonymous wrote:It’s hard to imagine what all the fuss and secrecy is for when it should just be the top times.

Yes. Club swim, everything posted almost immediately. It’s not the 1950s anymore and everything is electronic. Lack of transparency from NVSL is concerning.

I don’t think it’s lack of transparency as much as a reluctance to change.

There is a culture that promotes a lack of transparency throughout NVSL. Our Division decided not to share meet sheets with times. Sigh. They way they guard these sheets is beyond stunning.

It's not your division- its literally in the NVSL recommended procedures not to include seed times. https://www.mynvsl.com/file/36493/2024_NVSL_Handbook_Web___clickable_TOC_pdf look at page 62 and on for recommended procedures. I disagree with it, but it is extremely engrained.

“without seed times” is in bold on page 62

they are serious

even though there are no seed times on the meet sheet, are the swimmers in certain lanes based on their times? like home team swimmer with fastest time in the heat is in lane 4, away team swimmer with fastest time in heat is in lane 3?

Yes, team 1 swimmers from fastest to slowest seed times are lanes 3, 5, 1. Team two fastest to slowest by seed time is lanes 4,2,6.

That part makes sense at least.

Why does nvsl want the seed times left off the meet sheets?