So surprised people are so skeptical. It really is happening. Son’s friend played travel soccer for years as goalie and field player, rec basketball (has been asked to try out by many club basketball teams), summer swim team, and other rec sports. He had always been very tall, built, and is fast. Always excelled in sports.

He started playing in football for the first time in hs. He was over 6 foot as a freshman and has great foot skills from soccer. Started playing varsity football as a freshman. This was right after COVID so not sure how that affected how many varsity spots. He is being recruited now by top schools. He is smart and taking the mainly the most rigorous path but not perfect straight A’s. He is 6’4”. He is absolutely being recruited by Ivy League football teams and other top universities as a junior.

Not just TBIs, isn't there a former football player from Harvard who is paralyzed?

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Anonymous wrote:Much better odds for ice hockey and lacrosse players: https://www.ncaa.org/sports/2015/3/2/estimated-probability-of-competing-in-college-athletics.aspx

But you're not going to learn lacrosse overnight. The thing with these football players is that they barely even play football. They started in 9th grade (if that). The Ivy lacrosse recruits have put in a decade of travel lacrosse. That is a LOT of tournaments and a lot of money.

The one Ivy lacrosse recruit I knew personally started playing in 9th grade (maybe 8th). Good athlete but not spectacular. Very, very smart.

Must have been a long time ago, now that most of the men’s Ivy lacrosse teams are ranked in the T25, that doesn’t happen.

Agreed. The Ivy lacrosse recruits I know (from a prep school so I know about a half dozen over 2 years) all played for at least a decade and on top clubs. They did not pick up lacrosse in 9th grade.

You're confusing correlation with causation. Lacrosse is a high-athletic, low-to-medium-skill sport. It's much easier to pick up in 9th and be a star by 11th than something like baseball, tennis, or soccer (although somewhat harder than football).

The top d1 colleges, including Ivies, get commits from kids in lacrosse the September of junior year. In your scenario, kids would be getting recruited after playing the sport for two seasons or about 15 months. It is exceedingly rare.

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Anonymous wrote:Much better odds for ice hockey and lacrosse players: https://www.ncaa.org/sports/2015/3/2/estimated-probability-of-competing-in-college-athletics.aspx

But you're not going to learn lacrosse overnight. The thing with these football players is that they barely even play football. They started in 9th grade (if that). The Ivy lacrosse recruits have put in a decade of travel lacrosse. That is a LOT of tournaments and a lot of money.

Most Ivy League football recruits have also played the sport for years. It’s only the freakishly large kids who are taken with little to no experience. Not many of us have 6’5 kids weighing over 250 lbs.

Not true. Most kids start football in 9th grade.

Not the ones who go on to play D1 football.

we'll have to agree to disagree. I know quite a few who picked it up in 9th grade. They are super athletic, big/tall kids.

Again, maybe the kids who play on the line, the skill position players in power 5 conferences, which includes the ACC, are not picking up football for the first time as high school freshman.

QBs aren't typically picking up the game in HS, but every other position--most definitely including receivers and backs--absolutely. Except for QB, football is a high-athletic, low-skill sport.

This just isn’t right, do you know how early in high school the top football recruits commit?

This did not happen. Ivy league requires the AI AND their athletes are among the best of the best.

U r a storyteller.

Al Bundy never got a college Scholorship

Anonymous wrote:I have one word for you: CTE

https://www.mayoclinic.org/diseases-conditions/chronic-traumatic-encephalopathy/symptoms-causes/syc-20370921

Not a word, but anyway. It's also broken legs and arms that can cause lifelong repercussions.

OP, the odds of a high school football player making a D1 roster are 33:1 against. Very few unqualified athletes are taking spots at these universities. I don’t care much about college sports, but I have no problem with someone who otherwise might have little chance of attending these universities getting that chance. It has NEVER been the case the elite universities admitted solely on prior academic performance.

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Anonymous wrote:No concussion for my kids, thanks, OP. I'd rather pay full price for a less reputable university than have my kids play football.

Kids get concussions from all sorts of activities. I know a kid who got a really bad one sitting at a desk.

One of my kids played football...never had a concussion, never even had a post game headache (and no, he wasn't a bench warmer or kicker)

Did they not have any courses on probability and statistics at your high school or college?

This is BS. You have to be a phenomenal athlete for recruitment to these schools. That said, football is a big team. Schools like Duke need smart kids to average out the GPAs. Think it needs to be higher.

Anonymous wrote:End athletic recruitment in US Colleges.

Agree!

Anonymous wrote:It’s not as easy as you’re making it out to be for a kid to get recruited to an ivy fb team(or most any sport for that matter) much less the p5 schools you mentioned, Duke, Uva, BC. I think you are underestimating &/or not appreciating & understanding the dedication & athletic ability & potential it takes to be recruited at that level.

Seriously. Duke, UVA, and BC all have real football teams. And then you look at schools like Vanderbilt, Northwestern, and Stanford. Those guys are getting crushed every Saturday by much bigger and stronger football players. Particularly Vandy in the SEC. If you see how they stack up against schools like Georgia or Alabama, the size difference is ridiculous.

It's one thing if you're going to play in a rinky dink conference like the Ivy League or at a SLAC. But at the bigger schools in stronger conferences, I would never encourage a boy to seek that avenue for an admission. Four years of high school, and then four years of playing against much bigger and stronger players is going to have consequences. The CTE is always there. It's the accumulation of micro-concussions and head hits. But it's also the rest of it. Look at an offensive or defensive line, which are the majority of positions, and you'll see that every single one of them are wearing knee braces and the like. And the skill positions are the ones that get the real devastating hits. Unless you have a 6'6 280 giant, wouldn't recommend. Because that's what they're going to be playing against in everything but the fluff conferences.

Anonymous wrote:No concussion for my kids, thanks, OP. I'd rather pay full price for a less reputable university than have my kids play football.

Kids get concussions from all sorts of activities. I know a kid who got a really bad one sitting at a desk.

One of my kids played football...never had a concussion, never even had a post game headache (and no, he wasn't a bench warmer or kicker)

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Anonymous wrote:Much better odds for ice hockey and lacrosse players: https://www.ncaa.org/sports/2015/3/2/estimated-probability-of-competing-in-college-athletics.aspx

But you're not going to learn lacrosse overnight. The thing with these football players is that they barely even play football. They started in 9th grade (if that). The Ivy lacrosse recruits have put in a decade of travel lacrosse. That is a LOT of tournaments and a lot of money.

The one Ivy lacrosse recruit I knew personally started playing in 9th grade (maybe 8th). Good athlete but not spectacular. Very, very smart.

Must have been a long time ago, now that most of the men’s Ivy lacrosse teams are ranked in the T25, that doesn’t happen.

Agreed. The Ivy lacrosse recruits I know (from a prep school so I know about a half dozen over 2 years) all played for at least a decade and on top clubs. They did not pick up lacrosse in 9th grade.

You're confusing correlation with causation. Lacrosse is a high-athletic, low-to-medium-skill sport. It's much easier to pick up in 9th and be a star by 11th than something like baseball, tennis, or soccer (although somewhat harder than football).

If you say so! I don't pretend to know the broader lacrosse world. The kids I know in the DMV who have been recruited to Ivy schools (6+) all played since childhood.

PP is smoking some strong lettuce.

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Anonymous wrote:Much better odds for ice hockey and lacrosse players: https://www.ncaa.org/sports/2015/3/2/estimated-probability-of-competing-in-college-athletics.aspx

But you're not going to learn lacrosse overnight. The thing with these football players is that they barely even play football. They started in 9th grade (if that). The Ivy lacrosse recruits have put in a decade of travel lacrosse. That is a LOT of tournaments and a lot of money.

Most Ivy League football recruits have also played the sport for years. It’s only the freakishly large kids who are taken with little to no experience. Not many of us have 6’5 kids weighing over 250 lbs.

Not true. Most kids start football in 9th grade.

Not the ones who go on to play D1 football.

we'll have to agree to disagree. I know quite a few who picked it up in 9th grade. They are super athletic, big/tall kids.

Again, maybe the kids who play on the line, the skill position players in power 5 conferences, which includes the ACC, are not picking up football for the first time as high school freshman.

QBs aren't typically picking up the game in HS, but every other position--most definitely including receivers and backs--absolutely. Except for QB, football is a high-athletic, low-skill sport.